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Topic: Democrats Needing Cheese With Their Whine?
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Wed 11/16/16 12:01 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Wed 11/16/16 12:04 PM
Here is my latest blog post.

Democrats Needing Cheese With Their Whine?

The Hill is reporting that outgoing Democrat senator Barbara Boxer will introduce legislation to get rid of the Electoral College.

Boxer's quest is so quixotic that not even Don Quixote himself would pursue it.

Why?

Because . . .

. . . what Boxer wants is fraught with problems as the USA Today editorial board mentions in its editorial "Keep the Electoral College".

. . . being that the USA is a nation of states, the states decide who will be the POTUS. The Electoral College levels the playing field for the states. An elimination of the Electoral College would result in the disenfranchisement of the individual states. A New Hampshire Union Leader editorial states, "The Electoral College ensures that small states, and rural areas in large states, are not completely ignored in presidential campaigns. Replacing the Electoral College with a national referendum would turn most of America into Flyover Country."

. . . 3/4th of the states have to ratify any constitutional amendment in order for it to take effect. Even a Democrat should figure out that 3/4 of the states won’t relinquish a right belonging to each state.

. . . the USA Today editorial board says it best: "The way to win is to run better campaigns and better candidates under the existing rules, not try to change the rules after a painful loss."

In a commentary for the Wall Street Journal, Hillsdale College president Larry P. Arnn explains the reason for the Electoral College:

"The Constitution is paradoxical most of all about power, which it grants and withholds, bestows and limits, aggregates and divides, liberates and restrains. Elections are staggered, so as to distribute them across time. The founding document also divides power across space; the people grant a share of their natural authority to the federal government, but another share to the states where they live.

This innovation is most directly responsible for the greatness of the United States. Think what the Founders achieved: They invented a way of governing, and they extended it without benefit of kings or colonies across a vast continent, bigger than they could imagine, until they got to the other side 30 years later. The magnificent Northwest Ordinance granted free government to the territories, then representative and independent state government thereafter. Ruled from Washington, the nation could never have settled this land in freedom nor made it so strong.

The practical political equality that the American people have achieved depends entirely upon their ability to spread political authority across a vast area. In American political life, it matters how many people are in favor of a given thing. It also matters where they live.

Mr. Trump joins John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison and George W. Bush as the only presidents who won without the popular vote. After 2000, this is the second time in recent years — a product of the deep and wide division in America between the urban and the rural, the sophisticated and the rustic, the cosmopolitan and the local.

It is a shame that the winner this year, Mr. Trump, lost the popular vote by a whisker. But it would be as much or more a shame if Mrs. Clinton had prevailed despite massively losing the geographic vote, the vote across space, the vote that reflects the different ways that Americans live.

We forget that it is a historical rarity to have an executive strong enough to do the job but still responsible to the people he governs. The laws in the U.S. have worked that miracle for longer than anywhere else. Remember that the Electoral College helps establish the ground upon which the American people must talk with each other, while ensuring that they are not ruled as colonies from a bunch of blue capitals, nor from a bunch of red ones."


This talk about eliminating the Electoral College is nonsense. As that New Hampshire Union Leader editorial says, "There have been some longtime critics of the Electoral College, but the newfound fervor to replace it is mostly sour grapes."

Barack Obama was elected POTUS twice via the Electoral College. The same also goes for Bill Clinton.

The Electoral College didn’t prevent Hillary Clinton from winning on 11/8/16. Hillary Clinton prevented Hillary Clinton from winning on 11/8/16.

If Democrats are going to whine about the Electoral College, then they need to include cheese with their meals.

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Wed 11/16/16 12:14 PM
. . . 3/4th of the states have to ratify any constitutional amendment in order for it to take effect. Even a Democrat should figure out that 3/4 of the states won’t relinquish a right belonging to each state.
Bingo! But they're more than welcomed to try...would do more than the current complaining.

Rock's photo
Wed 11/16/16 02:16 PM
Will the dems need binkies, when 'that' doesn't go in their favour?

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Wed 11/16/16 03:40 PM
Well, fact is this same situation happened in 2000, and then 4 years later the Dems took control.. for 8 years.. and the subject was never brought up... never.

At the end of the day.. they saw what they didn't like in 2000.. and did nothing about it.

They have absolutely nothing to complain about now.





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Wed 11/16/16 07:19 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 11/16/16 07:20 PM
No-one complains until they do

The president elect supported doing away with the electoral college and he is not a democrat


Truth is people on both sides have debated and still debate the usefulness of the college

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Wed 11/16/16 08:45 PM
It's a hard argument to make that every vote counts when the president elect received 2 million less votes than the loser. I believe Trump won because those are the rules, but was he elected? I kinda feel like the Electoral College is an antiquated system. One vote should be one vote regardless of where you live.

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Wed 11/16/16 09:21 PM
if you do away with electoral college those that live in cities will control the country thus rural America will lose their rights and the cohtry would be run by a few major populated areas

thus the college gives the entire country a voice which is the idea behind going to s new land so you have a voice and are not ruled by those in the castle [city]

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Thu 11/17/16 03:55 AM
Edited by Dodo_David on Thu 11/17/16 03:48 AM
One vote should be one vote regardless of where you live.


One vote is already one vote regardless where you live.
Your vote counts in the state that you live in.

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Thu 11/17/16 06:43 AM

msharmony's photo
Thu 11/17/16 06:54 AM

if you do away with electoral college those that live in cities will control the country thus rural America will lose their rights and the cohtry would be run by a few major populated areas

thus the college gives the entire country a voice which is the idea behind going to s new land so you have a voice and are not ruled by those in the castle [city]




the control will go to the majority,,wherever they have lived

which is also not perfect, but more 'united'

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Thu 11/17/16 07:49 AM


if you do away with electoral college those that live in cities will control the country thus rural America will lose their rights and the cohtry would be run by a few major populated areas

thus the college gives the entire country a voice which is the idea behind going to s new land so you have a voice and are not ruled by those in the castle [city]




the control will go to the majority,,wherever they have lived

which is also not perfect, but more 'united'

That's not how America works!
POTUS is elected by the States,NOT the Popular Majority!

msharmony's photo
Thu 11/17/16 08:05 AM
its not how america works NOW

lots of things are not like america USED to work

in the future , this may be one of them

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Thu 11/17/16 08:10 AM

It's a hard argument to make that every vote counts when the president elect received 2 million less votes than the loser. I believe Trump won because those are the rules, but was he elected? I kinda feel like the Electoral College is an antiquated system. One vote should be one vote regardless of where you live.

under the Rules of the Republic he was!
Hillary was shooting for the same 270Electoral Votes plus One!
Well,she didn't win them,tough Luck!

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Thu 11/17/16 10:40 AM


if you do away with electoral college those that live in cities will control the country thus rural America will lose their rights and the cohtry would be run by a few major populated areas

thus the college gives the entire country a voice which is the idea behind going to s new land so you have a voice and are not ruled by those in the castle [city]




the control will go to the majority,,wherever they have lived

which is also not perfect, but more 'united'

The fact is that Trump won the popular vote across the country until they started counting California. So what is more "united"? Most people in most states or just more people in one state controlling the government?

One last thing for those who always pull the B.S. about "Hillary winning the popular vote" . Donald Trumps campaign was geared to win the "electoral college" which of course was the right strategy. However, if the election was based on the "popular vote" he would have campaigned a lot differently and included California, New York etc which he did not do. Given this, there is no data to support Hillary would have won the "popular vote" if that was indeed Trumps objective.

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Thu 11/17/16 11:22 AM
The electoral college, is exactly how it works NOW.
It's how it's always worked.
It's how it's always going to work..


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Thu 11/17/16 03:19 PM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Thu 11/17/16 03:25 PM
That is not true with me ... what is done is done ... sure I wanted Hillary to win ... but only becouse of her ties with women and other cultures ... and other liberals... but I am not wining ... I would now like to see all electoral voter gone and strip of their power votes not have them in anymore elections... but that is a fight for another day ...:smile2


My state has voted a democratic Governor again ...weird when the state was I thought more for republican voters for a president ... shakes head ...laugh

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Thu 11/17/16 03:43 PM

its not how america works NOW

lots of things are not like america USED to work

in the future , this may be one of them


Oh, Whahhhh!:cry:

adj4u's photo
Thu 11/17/16 04:20 PM

The electoral college, is exactly how it works NOW.
It's how it's always worked.
It's how it's always going to work..





exactly it would take an amendment to change and i doubt middle and southern America would sign on to that

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Thu 11/17/16 04:37 PM
Abolishing the Electoral College would require an amendment to the U.S. Constitution — which would need a two-thirds majority vote in both the House and the Senate, and then it would have to be ratified by 38 states.

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And Dems... Best of luck with that ;)

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Thu 11/17/16 04:51 PM
4 States = 100 million pop

It would be too easy to schmooze 4 major states with all the perks and get a automatic 30% of the popular vote pretty much.

Let's put it to rest, it ain't happenin drinker

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