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Topic: Great witnessing opportunity
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Thu 01/25/18 11:06 AM
Edited by Busmannz on Thu 01/25/18 11:09 AM
No doubt many of you will have heard about UFO's visiting Earth, or read a book or watched youtube videos about that topic. There are certainly some intrigueing youtube videos showing unidentified things buzzing around in Earth's atmosphere and even in space around our planet.

People have also reported being abducted by aliens, some on multiple occasions.

The vatican has said that if/when aliens arrive on Earth, they'd be happy to baptize them in the name of Jesus Christ. Is this a realistic or sensible response?

But what is this UFO/alien phenomenon about? Would the existence of alien beings disprove God?

There's a movie coming out (or it may already be out in cinemas in your particular region) that explores this fascinating topic and exposes what it is.

This movie has an important message about the alien phenomenon and how it relates to you. Secular UFO researchers have come to some startling conclusions about these aliens and their purpose here, and that purpose is not for our benefit.

Here's a link where you may book tickets to see the movie (if it is showing in your region):
http://www.alienintrusion.com

What is your opinion about UFOs and aliens? Who are they? Where are they from? WHy are they here? Do aliens fit in with your religion or would their existence cause problems and conflict with your belief?

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Thu 01/25/18 11:57 AM
I don't discount things, but at the same time, I have never experienced the paranormal or et

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Thu 01/25/18 12:08 PM
I don't know about them and i am not going to welcome them either.

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Thu 01/25/18 03:01 PM
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Thu 01/25/18 03:02 PM
Chances are, aliens will be...well...alien.

Consider the fact that everyone you know is someone that has existed on this planet in a relative recent time. A planet that has been a planet for about 4 and a half BILLION years.

Aliens will be from some other planet, some other civilization with nothing at all in common with us.
They may not have our values systems, our physiology or our sensory limitations.

To assume aliens will understand the concepts we hold dear is ludicrous. If you want to test your theory you don't need aliens.
This planet has abundant lifeforms you can test it on.
Witness to a sea slug, an elephant or a cow. At least those creatures have some commonalities with us, being from the same planet and all.

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Fri 01/26/18 03:14 AM

No doubt many of you will have heard about UFO's visiting Earth, or read a book or watched youtube videos about that topic. There are certainly some intrigueing youtube videos showing unidentified things buzzing around in Earth's atmosphere and even in space around our planet.

People have also reported being abducted by aliens, some on multiple occasions.

The vatican has said that if/when aliens arrive on Earth, they'd be happy to baptize them in the name of Jesus Christ. Is this a realistic or sensible response?

But what is this UFO/alien phenomenon about? Would the existence of alien beings disprove God?

There's a movie coming out (or it may already be out in cinemas in your particular region) that explores this fascinating topic and exposes what it is.

This movie has an important message about the alien phenomenon and how it relates to you. Secular UFO researchers have come to some startling conclusions about these aliens and their purpose here, and that purpose is not for our benefit.

Here's a link where you may book tickets to see the movie (if it is showing in your region):
http://www.alienintrusion.com

What is your opinion about UFOs and aliens? Who are they? Where are they from? WHy are they here? Do aliens fit in with your religion or would their existence cause problems and conflict with your belief?


Not to worry...all an alien has to do is wait and watch...we are doing a good job of eradicating mankind...it is also interesting to hear words about religion as if there is some universally held belief...have you not observed the daily elimination of lives under the guise of religion?...again, they could just wait and watch...to paraphrase the winnie the pooh statement - we have met the aiiens and they are us...

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Fri 01/26/18 06:18 AM
How better to take over a town or a planet, than to enforce belief in a falsehood for generations, bending the culture over time in the direction that serves you best, which is usually the generation of wealth and power and control.

I'm sure any alien would laugh in disbelief if they could, when they find out that much of humanity believes in unproven stories of magical invisible imaginary friends (of several types), made up several thousands of years ago in the Middle East. And despite a lack of logic or proof in this age of knowledge, masses still believe, just to have something to believe in.

Then how easy would it be for them (aliens) to produce 'signs', and 'heal the sick' and 'perform miracles'.

30 years ago a mobile phone was a 'miracle' to us.

100 years ago electricity was a 'miracle'.

300 years ago an eclipse of the sun was a 'miracle'.

We are so stupid, gullible, uneducated, and low tech, anything would fool us.

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Fri 01/26/18 07:51 AM
Its all based on the assumption that the aliens would be here for us. That this planet is somehow special. More special than the trillions of other planets.

I find it amusing when people assign human qualties to aliens. Like just because we act, think and look this way, everything else does too.

Its like the old cartoons that puts mammilian features on ducks, snakes, chickens and alligators. I laugh at Mrs Foghorn Leghorn for much the same reason.

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Wed 01/31/18 10:44 PM
Edited by Busmannz on Wed 01/31/18 10:48 PM

How better to take over a town or a planet, than to enforce belief in a falsehood for generations...

I'm sure any alien would laugh in disbelief if they could, when they find out that much of humanity believes in unproven stories of magical invisible imaginary friends...


What is your evidence that the Creator God is a falsehood? How can you explain the existence of everything without having an adequate cause for it all? (FYI, the Big Bang theory is not an adequate cause, and violates the laws of physics.)


We are so stupid, gullible, uneducated, and low tech, anything would fool us.


Speaking about yourself?
I think people are intelligent, but sadly many don't employ their reasoning powers to their fullest. But some among us do, and because of them mankind has made some major achievements.
THere are plenty of gullible people though. They believe in that fairy-tale for adults, called "Evolution". They believe that fallible scientists with human weaknesses like ego, pride, greed, and willful blindness can nonetheless be entirely objective when it comes to science. But does this statement, made by one of them about himself and his colleages, suggest that he is an objective person? Here's what he said:

"Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." -- Richard Lewontin, professor of biology and Agassiz professor of zoology at Harvard University.


Gullible people will trust the pronouncements of the above-quoted person and his peers, even when they're clearly not objective seekers of Truth, while these same gullible people will reject the words of the Creator in the bible, even though the bible has been proved right time and time again in matters where in it can be tested (such as archaeology, geology, geneaology, genetics, etc.)

After years of studying the bible, and studying related fields in science, I know it is not gullible at all to rely on the truth of the bible, but rather it is eminently sensible to put one's faith in a book that has been proven right time and time again, and has withstood thousands of attempts over the centuries to prove it wrong.

And from this Alien Intrusion movie, we will once again discover yet another way in which the bible is vindicated.

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Wed 01/31/18 10:47 PM


How better to take over a town or a planet, than to enforce belief in a falsehood for generations...

I'm sure any alien would laugh in disbelief if they could, when they find out that much of humanity believes in unproven stories of magical invisible imaginary friends...


What is your evidence that the Creator God is a falsehood? How can you explain the existence of everything without having an adequate cause for it all? (FYI, the Big Bang theory is not an adequate cause, and violates the laws of physics.)


We are so stupid, gullible, uneducated, and low tech, anything would fool us.


Speaking about yourself?
I think people are intelligent, but sadly many don't employ their reasoning powers to their fullest. But some among us do, and because of them mankind has made some major achievements.
THere are plenty of gullible people though. They believe in that fairy-tale for adults, called "Evolution". They believe that fallible scientists with human weaknesses like ego, pride, greed, and willful blindness can nonetheless be entirely objective when it comes to science. But does this statement, made by one of them about himself and his colleages, suggest that he is an objective person? Here's what he said:

"Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." -- Richard Lewontin, professor of biology and Agassiz professor of zoology at Harvard University.

Gullible people will trust the pronouncements of the above-quoted person and his peers, even when they're clearly not objective seekers of Truth, while these same gullible people will reject the words of the Creator in the bible, even though the bible has been proved right time and time again in matters where in it can be tested (such as archaeology, geology, geneaology, genetics, etc.)

After years of studying the bible, and studying related fields in science, I know it is not gullible at all to rely on the truth of the bible, but rather it is eminently sensible to put one's faith in a book that has been proven right time and time again, and has withstood thousands of attempts over the centuries to prove it wrong.

And from this Alien Intrusion movie, we will once again discover yet another way in which the bible is vindicated.

Holy Crap on a Cracker!

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Thu 02/01/18 02:38 AM
There’s a lot of theories about that
But I call this in my personal opinion
Long term neurological programming

It’s to prepare the masses to be ready at the moment it’s known by every one

I had seen on the dessert UFO’s, more than once, pretty close

Once I read a theory about Alliens, they aren’t extraterrestrials, are is coming from the future, and in their future the humanity is at boarder of colapse that is why they abduct us to study and determine the exact point where the human started to change and try to stop it in an alternate reality

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Thu 02/08/18 01:33 AM

There’s a lot of theories about that
But I call this in my personal opinion
Long term neurological programming

It’s to prepare the masses to be ready at the moment it’s known by every one

I had seen on the dessert UFO’s, more than once, pretty close

Once I read a theory about Alliens, they aren’t extraterrestrials, are is coming from the future, and in their future the humanity is at boarder of colapse that is why they abduct us to study and determine the exact point where the human started to change and try to stop it in an alternate reality


I agree that the alleged aliens' activity is a form of long term neurological programming. They have steadily over the years increased their exposure to us, slowly conditioning us to their existence. We are pretty much ready to be informed officially by our governments that "aliens are visiting us, and have visited us for years, and we know about them and have been working with them for a while", and it probably wouldn't shake mankind to the core as it likely would have done a few decades ago.

But I don't think these "aliens" are our future descendants. They are demons posing as interstellar travellers, here on a mission to deceive mankind. They are the modern-day implementation of demonic activity that expressed itself as elves and leprechauns and such in the dark ages. They've just changed their approach to suit our modern age with its technological advances.

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Thu 02/08/18 01:43 AM

...That this planet is somehow special. More special than the trillions of other planets...


This is something that evolutionists just love to do. They can't stand the idea that this planet is special (and therefore of interest to the One who created it) and so they constantly down-play it with this propaganda that says we live on an ordinary run-of-the-mill planet orbiting an un-remarkable star in some out-lying region of a typical galaxy... bla bla bla bla! Nothing "special" to see here folks!

Yeah, never mind the fact that, of all the bodies in our solar system, there is not one like our wonderful Earth. Not one that is capable of supporting life, that has both abundant water AND land, that has a clear translucent atmosphere to allow a great view of the universe, and a moon sized just right to create a perfect solar eclipse at regular intervals which we can then admire throught that transparent atmosphere, while enjoying the moderate temperatures and beautiful flora and fauna and geology of this beautiful planet.
Even in their search for extra-solar planets, they have yet to find another Earth-like planet orbiting a similar star under similar conditions.

These evolutionists go out of their way to deny the reality, and to blind others to the reality that this planet, with all its life forms and ideal conditions for life, really is exceptionally special and rare in the universe.

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Thu 02/08/18 10:57 AM


...That this planet is somehow special. More special than the trillions of other planets...


This is something that evolutionists just love to do. They can't stand the idea that this planet is special (and therefore of interest to the One who created it) and so they constantly down-play it with this propaganda that says we live on an ordinary run-of-the-mill planet orbiting an un-remarkable star in some out-lying region of a typical galaxy... bla bla bla bla! Nothing "special" to see here folks!

Yeah, never mind the fact that, of all the bodies in our solar system, there is not one like our wonderful Earth. Not one that is capable of supporting life, that has both abundant water AND land, that has a clear translucent atmosphere to allow a great view of the universe, and a moon sized just right to create a perfect solar eclipse at regular intervals which we can then admire throught that transparent atmosphere, while enjoying the moderate temperatures and beautiful flora and fauna and geology of this beautiful planet.
Even in their search for extra-solar planets, they have yet to find another Earth-like planet orbiting a similar star under similar conditions.

These evolutionists go out of their way to deny the reality, and to blind others to the reality that this planet, with all its life forms and ideal conditions for life, really is exceptionally special and rare in the universe.

Your comments are specific to this solar system and the planets within it.
Science has detected Earth-like planets in other star systems.
There are also planets that are rich in abundance of minerals and isotopes that are rare on this planet.
At present science does not have the technology to observe other planets in other star systems directly. What the do have is the ability to detect spectral composition of other star systems. We know what elements are in abundance for a given star system.

We also know what is abundant on other bodies in our own star system. Titan, for example, has large amount of methane. An alien that collects methane would not choose Earth for a source, they would choose Titan.

One of the pitfalls of creationists is that man is special. If viewed from an alien perspective, man could appear to be an overpopulated cancer that is destroying its own planet. Or...It might see us as a source of protein to be harvested.

The sad reality is that there is an entire galaxy of planets and orbital bodies that have greater resources than Earth. To think that we are attractive because of our divine nature is pompous and narcissistic. Even our own species can't agree on religion or culture. How is that even considered an asset?

About the only thing Earth has going for it that could merit a visit is our diversity of life and since we don't know how any other planets diversify, even that would be a long shot.

I think the major setback is the distances to other stellar systems. Unless the visitors have developed long distance travel, we are not in the neighborhood.
By reason, any visitor traveling here from the outer spiral arms of the galaxy has much denser regions to explore. Any visitor from the inner spiral arms of the galaxy will be accustomed to a much denser population of destinations. Those species may not have developed long distance travel.

Given our positional density, any visitor would have to specifically pick Sol as a destination. From long distance, what makes Sol distinctive?

Our earliest radio broadcasts are only around 110 light years away. Our earliest TV signals just 74 light years away. On scale by relativity, we have barely made a ripple. Plus, to be detected, our visitors will need to be 'tuned' to our channel and looking in our direction. Then there is the fact that other natural signals hide our low power signals. We get lost in the background of a noisy Universe. To exacerbate the concept further, we do not 'see' planets around other stars. We see the evidence of planets but not the planets themselves. Plus, we have to be looking for that evidence at that specific location.

Our visitors will see Sol and deduce there are planets in its system but they won't actually see Earth at that distance. The may detect a spectrum that is favorable to life in this system but they won't know the composition of the life on this planet. They certainly wouldn't know about humans.

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Thu 02/08/18 12:05 PM


How better to take over a town or a planet, than to enforce belief in a falsehood for generations...

I'm sure any alien would laugh in disbelief if they could, when they find out that much of humanity believes in unproven stories of magical invisible imaginary friends...


What is your evidence that the Creator God is a falsehood? How can you explain the existence of everything without having an adequate cause for it all? (FYI, the Big Bang theory is not an adequate cause, and violates the laws of physics.)


We are so stupid, gullible, uneducated, and low tech, anything would fool us.


Speaking about yourself?
I think people are intelligent, but sadly many don't employ their reasoning powers to their fullest. But some among us do, and because of them mankind has made some major achievements.
THere are plenty of gullible people though. They believe in that fairy-tale for adults, called "Evolution". They believe that fallible scientists with human weaknesses like ego, pride, greed, and willful blindness can nonetheless be entirely objective when it comes to science. But does this statement, made by one of them about himself and his colleages, suggest that he is an objective person? Here's what he said:

"Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." -- Richard Lewontin, professor of biology and Agassiz professor of zoology at Harvard University.


Gullible people will trust the pronouncements of the above-quoted person and his peers, even when they're clearly not objective seekers of Truth, while these same gullible people will reject the words of the Creator in the bible, even though the bible has been proved right time and time again in matters where in it can be tested (such as archaeology, geology, geneaology, genetics, etc.)

After years of studying the bible, and studying related fields in science, I know it is not gullible at all to rely on the truth of the bible, but rather it is eminently sensible to put one's faith in a book that has been proven right time and time again, and has withstood thousands of attempts over the centuries to prove it wrong.

And from this Alien Intrusion movie, we will once again discover yet another way in which the bible is vindicated.
who proved the Bible right?
Who many times was it proven right? (time and time again)
Where/what locations was it proved at?
When did any of these times occur?

I must've been watching the other channel that day, because not much of anything has been proven from the Bible...

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Thu 02/08/18 01:13 PM
Edited by Busmannz on Thu 02/08/18 01:36 PM

Who proved the Bible right?
Who many times was it proven right? (time and time again)
Where/what locations was it proved at?
When did any of these times occur?

I must've been watching the other channel that day, because not much of anything has been proven from the Bible...

You have indeed been watching the other channel, because there is plenty of literature that confirms what I've said about the bible. For instance, people have set out to prove the bible wrong, using whatever method they're skilled at, looked into the matter deeply, and ended up absolutely convinced by what they found that the bible is truly the word of God, and became believers and wrote books detailing their discoveries.
Others, in the course of their work, have made discoveries that confirmed some aspect of the bible.

It's easy to sit there typing away at your keyboard and demand lots of answers from me. And if I were to make the effort on your behalf to find some suitable books to read, you wouldn't read them anyway.

If you truly want to know these things, you'll go on a quest to discover these things for yourself. You'll set regular time aside to find relevant books and read them, and to keep doing this until you have built up a complete picture of the truth.

I have been on this journey for nearly 3 decades, and am fully convinced of what I've learned. More and more pieces of the puzzle have fallen, and are falling, into place. It all makes sense. And those things that don't yet make sense, well I won't let that bother me because the rest makes sense and I trust that those other things will eventually make sense too, like everything else has before.

But God exists. He created the universe, just a few thousand years ago. He created all life just a few thousand years ago. All living things show evidence of God's creative genius, right down to the inner workings of molecular machines within the individual cells. He came to live among His creation, in the form of Jesus Christ, to teach us the way and to redeem us from our cursed sin nature.

God cares about us! I challenged Him one day to prove that He cared about me, and a couple of months later He answered my prayer in the most mind-blowing way I had never expected. Years before, he even spoke to me personally, in the form of a mild rebuke of my brashness and impatience, but I still cherish the memory of it because the almighty Creator of the universe deigned to speak to me, just a pile of intricately arranged chemicals, and a brash young man at the time.

Stop doubting, stop denying, stop closing your eyes and ears to God! Search for Him diligently and you will find Him, if you search with all your heart. The world with all its good and bad points will make so much more sense to you then, and you will have the assurance of a better world to come where all the bad is eliminated once and for all.

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Thu 02/08/18 01:35 PM
Edited by Busmannz on Thu 02/08/18 01:40 PM
who proved the Bible right?

archaeologists, geologists, geneticists, etc.

Who many times was it proven right? (time and time again)

What benefit will a number be to you? I haven't counted how many times it was proven right, but I've encountered countless examples of it. The exact number is unknown, but it's lots!

Where/what locations was it proved at?

All over the world, wherever the evidence is found. Some of that is archaeological evidence, found mainly around the Middle East. Some of it is geological evidence (for the flood), found in many places around the world. Some of it is biological or other scientific evidence, discovered in labs and zoos and research facilities around the world.

When did any of these times occur?

Since the Dark Ages, mankind's knowledge base has grown in leaps and bounds, and evidence that confirms the bible has been discovered throughout that time.

You will find www.creation.com a great starting place for your research. There are thousands of articles there on all sorts of topics related to the bible, as well as an on-line shop where you can purchase books, DVD's, and magazine subscriptions to further your knowledge.
My current read: "The greatest hoax on Earth? : Refuting Dawkins on evolution" by author and scientist Jonathan Sarfati. This is an expose and point by point rebuttal of Richard Dawkins' book "The greatest show on Earth".

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Thu 02/08/18 03:15 PM
There are many aspects of the Bible that can be proven using science.

The Flood - There exists great sections of water beneath the surface of the Earth that have erupted in floods. The Scab-lands are geological proof of a flood created by the collapse of the ice dam of a large, melting glacier. Regional rains fed by a replenishing hydro-cycle can cause long duration rains. There is evidence of multiple major floods in history all over the world.

Parting of the Red Sea - A geological event, we call them earthquakes could have shifted the seabed so it raised above sea level for a relatively short period of time. Part of the same even could have also caused it to sink back down.

Fire Tornado - Convection currents and burning material can cause fire tornadoes - pick any forest fire for an example.

Sodom & Gomorrah - There are a few different natural events that can cause a rain of fire and brimstone. Volcanoes, asteroid impacts lava pit explosions.

Pillar of salt - when you dry out a human body, salt is the residue left over. The human body is made up of mostly water...salt water. Think Saline solution.

Garden of Eden - before humans started polluting the planet the ecology was pristine. There are still pockets of pristine ecology to be found on this planet but as soon as humans invade it, it becomes polluted.

Miracles of religion can be explained in various ways both scientifically and by faith. Few personal experiences can be explained scientifically. Especially those that deal with perception. One person sees a ghost and another sees nothing.
To prove that ghost is real, it needs to be measured and tested.
Since it can't be measured and tested it is purely perceptional.
Perceptions can be delusional. Illusions reinforced by fantasy.

The original Bible itself was written by the hand of man. From the mind of man using man made materials. Those scrolls are deteriorated and frail. If they were the Word of God intended to be followed by all mankind, they would have divine qualities, would not deteriorate and fade with time. Or, Is God not so powerful that He can't keep His Word from falling into ruin?

The concept that God told man what to write is another case of perceptional delusion. Not only is there nobody alive today that experienced these Divine instructions, there is nobody alive today that witnessed the writing. Its all taken on faith.

Faith is the ability to believe something as truth that one has not witnessed. Most of science is faith. With science tho, the faith is reinforced by reality. Reality that can be observed, measured and tested, by anyone.

Faith is comforting. Reality is harsh. The way I see it, if you get comfort from faith you should be allowed to do so. Likewise, if you get comfort from reality, you should be allowed to do so.

As for the 6,000 year age of the Earth?
One must ignore tree rings, No there are no trees that I know of that are older than 6,000 years. Its the science behind tree rings that is cause for consideration.
Anyone that has seen the Grand Canyon or other canyon can see the sedimentary deposits that are laid down over time. From the current layer of the present to the most ancient layers at the bottom. Samples can be taken from those ancient layers and different qualities of the nature of the material can be measured and tested.
Using known isotope decay rates, one can measure the amount of decay in a sample and determine how much time has passed for it to have that rate. Carbon Dating is a basis for this science but carbon dating is not accurate. It can't reveal a specific year but what it can reveal is a geological time period.

Isotope Radioactive Decay Half-Life
Polonium-215 = 0.0018 seconds
Bismuth-212 = 60.5 seconds
Sodium-24 = 15 hours
Iodine-131 = 8.07 days
Cobalt-60 = 5.26 years
Radium-226 = 1600 years
Uranium-238 = 4.5 billion years
The term half-life is defined as the time it takes for one-half of the atoms of a radioactive material to disintegrate.
Its something that can be measured and duplicated.

If the Earth and all of creation is only 6,000 years old, explain Uranium-238?
Uranium-238 does exist, but it shouldn't in such a short lifespan.
But lets just say that scientist invented Uranium-238 just to mess with religion. Uranium-238 has been found in Moon samples and meteorites.

By comparison, Noah's Ark is 'believed' to be on Mt Ararat in Turkey. The actual fact is that it is believed to be there and believed to be Noah's Ark. I've yet to see any paper on the actual discovery with measurements or evidence.



Yeah, that's the place...

A team of evangelical Christian explorers claim they've found the remains of Noah's ark beneath snow and volcanic debris on Turkey's Mount Ararat


Lets look at this headline from a scientific reference.
The key point is that it was found by "Evangelical Christian Explorers".
Part of the process of scientific process is that it needs to be validated by independent processes.
A Christian looking for Christian artifacts will find Christian artifacts. If the same discovery were made by paleontologists or physicists it would hold more weight as evidence. But the discovery is not even a discovery, it is a supposition.

What gets me is a discovery of this magnitude would solidify religion but it is still a belief, not a reality. Wouldn't you think that God would want us to find empirical proof? Or...is that beyond His power as well?

As for miracles, have you ever heard of the term techno-mage? A techno-mage uses technology to make his acts seem like magic. The biggest factor siding with the awe of a techno-mage is that the witnesses 'believe' it is magic. The magic may not even be caused by their technology, it could be that they take credit for things that occur and the witnesses belief carries the fantasy.
The real science of nanotechnology promises techno-mage abilities.

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Two things, There are a lot of rich people that are religious and a camel can be passed thru the eye of a needle. This is because we have the technology to separate and manipulate the genome of animals. A chromosome will easily fit thru the eye of a needle. You could even put a blue whale thru the eye of a needle.

Ya know, I have no problem with you or anyone else having faith in your religion. If it makes your life complete, who am I to care.
What I do care about is having your religion forced upon me without a basis in reality.

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Thu 02/08/18 04:11 PM


Who proved the Bible right?
Who many times was it proven right? (time and time again)
Where/what locations was it proved at?
When did any of these times occur?

I must've been watching the other channel that day, because not much of anything has been proven from the Bible...

You have indeed been watching the other channel, because there is plenty of literature that confirms what I've said about the bible. For instance, people have set out to prove the bible wrong, using whatever method they're skilled at, looked into the matter deeply, and ended up absolutely convinced by what they found that the bible is truly the word of God, and became believers and wrote books detailing their discoveries.
Others, in the course of their work, have made discoveries that confirmed some aspect of the bible.

It's easy to sit there typing away at your keyboard and demand lots of answers from me. And if I were to make the effort on your behalf to find some suitable books to read, you wouldn't read them anyway.

If you truly want to know these things, you'll go on a quest to discover these things for yourself. You'll set regular time aside to find relevant books and read them, and to keep doing this until you have built up a complete picture of the truth.

I have been on this journey for nearly 3 decades, and am fully convinced of what I've learned. More and more pieces of the puzzle have fallen, and are falling, into place. It all makes sense. And those things that don't yet make sense, well I won't let that bother me because the rest makes sense and I trust that those other things will eventually make sense too, like everything else has before.

But God exists. He created the universe, just a few thousand years ago. He created all life just a few thousand years ago. All living things show evidence of God's creative genius, right down to the inner workings of molecular machines within the individual cells. He came to live among His creation, in the form of Jesus Christ, to teach us the way and to redeem us from our cursed sin nature.

God cares about us! I challenged Him one day to prove that He cared about me, and a couple of months later He answered my prayer in the most mind-blowing way I had never expected. Years before, he even spoke to me personally, in the form of a mild rebuke of my brashness and impatience, but I still cherish the memory of it because the almighty Creator of the universe deigned to speak to me, just a pile of intricately arranged chemicals, and a brash young man at the time.

Stop doubting, stop denying, stop closing your eyes and ears to God! Search for Him diligently and you will find Him, if you search with all your heart. The world with all its good and bad points will make so much more sense to you then, and you will have the assurance of a better world to come where all the bad is eliminated once and for all.
sorry you feel I'm demanding answers from you, typing sometimes gets misinterpreted many different ways...

Believe in whatever you want, but passing off known facts as hocus pocus doesn't do yourself any good

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Thu 02/08/18 05:59 PM


There’s a lot of theories about that
But I call this in my personal opinion
Long term neurological programming

It’s to prepare the masses to be ready at the moment it’s known by every one

I had seen on the dessert UFO’s, more than once, pretty close

Once I read a theory about Alliens, they aren’t extraterrestrials, are is coming from the future, and in their future the humanity is at boarder of colapse that is why they abduct us to study and determine the exact point where the human started to change and try to stop it in an alternate reality


I agree that the alleged aliens' activity is a form of long term neurological programming. They have steadily over the years increased their exposure to us, slowly conditioning us to their existence. We are pretty much ready to be informed officially by our governments that "aliens are visiting us, and have visited us for years, and we know about them and have been working with them for a while", and it probably wouldn't shake mankind to the core as it likely would have done a few decades ago.

But I don't think these "aliens" are our future descendants. They are demons posing as interstellar travellers, here on a mission to deceive mankind. They are the modern-day implementation of demonic activity that expressed itself as elves and leprechauns and such in the dark ages. They've just changed their approach to suit our modern age with its technological advances.

New age devil? Posing as a interstellar traveler! To deceive mankind! scared

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Fri 02/09/18 12:12 AM

New age devil? Posing as a interstellar traveler! To deceive mankind! scared


Yes, I suppose sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.

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