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Edited by
msharmony
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Unfortunately for us we all think kids are dumb and stupid so we lie ourselves to death assuming they will buy it. In reality the dumber we treat them the less they buy it. It's a vice plain and simple . Like cigarettes, alcohol or weed , it's a vice. Cigarettes will kill you , we all know, ithe destroys your lungs. Alcohol will kill you we all know , it's kills your liver. Weed tho, we don't know! !!!! This is not entirely true, depending on what is considered 'alcohol'. For instance, sugar in large amounts can contribute to obesity, but consuming sugar occasionally or in moderation with a balance of healthy lifestyle will not likely lead to obesity. Likewise, wine and other alcohols will not cause harm to the kidney if used in moderation and wine is actually a fermented form of fruits and can be helpful to the health, if used as advised in moderation. Everything CAN harm us if used inappropriately, but they are much less likely to harm us if used in moderation as intended. I think a VICE is something used to avoid, and almost anything from food to drink can be used as a VICE. Other times, however, people use things for momentary entertainment or enjoyment, and not to avoid. In which case, it becomes an issue of whether use has become Abuse. Very well put! I've had chronic pain issues for 40 years, I've been on everything there is for pain including morphine tablets and fentanyl patches. Now I'm off all of it and I'm not worried about the small amount of damage that the smoke (of any kind) may do to my lungs. I've had several heart to heart talks with my pain doctor about quality of life and that's what it comes down to. If you don't have the pain you don't know. Plus as I said earlier humans want to get high and always have. It's crazy that the government should even be involved. Through out my lifetime I've watched as they stomped and pissed on our constitution and taken away our rights. Drug testing for workers for example is rediculous, they punish and fire people who smoke some weed; it stays in your body for a long time but idiots (there's lots of you out there) who do meth the worst drug ever and get away with it because it's out of your system in a couple of days. But the foulest and most rights crushing thing of all is drug testing! Read the constitution and tell me how this could be allowed,it's insane. I've always been self employed and it hasn't effected me but I've seen friends suffer because of it. This is cliche but correct; would you rather have that guy driving that truck full of welding gases be high on weed or vibrating along nervous and paranoid having done meth and hasn't slept for 3 days coming at you on the hiway? I understand your point. We have many conflicting 'standards' in this country. Its crazy that a woman can have an abortion because its 'her body'. but people cannot consume certain things on the same grounds that its 'their body'. Sometimes we can 'interfere' or 'intervene' for what we think is the greater good. I'm not saying that's always bad of always good, just the truth of it. I think a lot of where people get involved and governments, sadly, is money related. That is to say, the US is VERY LITIGOUS and CAPITALISTIC, which makes profit gain or loss the bottom line. For instance, people who have been accused of crimes all over media or done or said something others disapprove of can cause their employers to fear a loss of revenue being associated with them, and so now employers can have a 'morals clause' that can terminate your employment over what image society has of you, rather than the job you are actually doing. Likewise, employers can be held accountable for things their employees do. So, even if an employee has not YET done something wrong, but is using a substance known to affect judgment, there is a greater risk they may do something that causes the employer a lawsuit. So, employers now take precautions against those risks by testing for judgment enhancing drugs. It really is about the money. Again, not a judgment of right and wrong, just a statement of what drives society in modern times. |
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Unfortunately for us we all think kids are dumb and stupid so we lie ourselves to death assuming they will buy it. In reality the dumber we treat them the less they buy it. It's a vice plain and simple . Like cigarettes, alcohol or weed , it's a vice. Cigarettes will kill you , we all know, ithe destroys your lungs. Alcohol will kill you we all know , it's kills your liver. Weed tho, we don't know! !!!! This is not entirely true, depending on what is considered 'alcohol'. For instance, sugar in large amounts can contribute to obesity, but consuming sugar occasionally or in moderation with a balance of healthy lifestyle will not likely lead to obesity. Likewise, wine and other alcohols will not cause harm to the kidney if used in moderation and wine is actually a fermented form of fruits and can be helpful to the health, if used as advised in moderation. Everything CAN harm us if used inappropriately, but they are much less likely to harm us if used in moderation as intended. I think a VICE is something used to avoid, and almost anything from food to drink can be used as a VICE. Other times, however, people use things for momentary entertainment or enjoyment, and not to avoid. In which case, it becomes an issue of whether use has become Abuse. Very well put! I've had chronic pain issues for 40 years, I've been on everything there is for pain including morphine tablets and fentanyl patches. Now I'm off all of it and I'm not worried about the small amount of damage that the smoke (of any kind) may do to my lungs. I've had several heart to heart talks with my pain doctor about quality of life and that's what it comes down to. If you don't have the pain you don't know. Plus as I said earlier humans want to get high and always have. It's crazy that the government should even be involved. Through out my lifetime I've watched as they stomped and pissed on our constitution and taken away our rights. Drug testing for workers for example is rediculous, they punish and fire people who smoke some weed; it stays in your body for a long time but idiots (there's lots of you out there) who do meth the worst drug ever and get away with it because it's out of your system in a couple of days. But the foulest and most rights crushing thing of all is drug testing! Read the constitution and tell me how this could be allowed,it's insane. I've always been self employed and it hasn't effected me but I've seen friends suffer because of it. This is cliche but correct; would you rather have that guy driving that truck full of welding gases be high on weed or vibrating along nervous and paranoid having done meth and hasn't slept for 3 days coming at you on the hiway? I understand your point. We have many conflicting 'standards' in this country. Its crazy that a woman can have an abortion because its 'her body'. but people cannot consume certain things on the same grounds that its 'their body'. Sometimes we can 'interfere' or 'intervene' for what we think is the greater good. I'm not saying that's always bad of always good, just the truth of it. I think a lot of where people get involved and governments, sadly, is money related. That is to say, the US is VERY LITIGOUS and CAPITALISTIC, which makes profit gain or loss the bottom line. For instance, people who have been accused of crimes all over media or done or said something others disapprove of can cause their employers to fear a loss of revenue being associated with them, and so now employers can have a 'morals clause' that can terminate your employment over what image society has of you, rather than the job you are actually doing. Likewise, employers can be held accountable for things their employees do. So, even if an employee has not YET done something wrong, but is using a substance known to affect judgment, there is a greater risk they may do something that causes the employer a lawsuit. So, employers now take precautions against those risks by testing for judgment enhancing drugs. It really is about the money. Again, not a judgment of right and wrong, just a statement of what drives society in modern times. In this case it is about money. The fines for allowing a known cannabis user to drive or operate machinery; the other employees that could get injured; the injuries to the user; and the lost time by the user. All cost money out of the employers pocket - not worth the risk. No different than an alcoholic on the payroll. For alcohol we have a testable legal limit, for cannabis we do not. If you want a different outcome, then get that legal limit established!!! The current legal limit is 0.00. Should have been done before any state allowed the legal sale of cannabis. |
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The problem with the freedom to use smoke/vapor for any substance is that it takes away from the freedom of other people who do not want any effect from the stuff. If they made the vapor droplets larger so that it was more of like a mist than a cloud, then there would be 100% absorbed in breathing. Sometimes I enjoy if there is ambient pot vapor. Sometimes I don’t. Either way, it does not make much difference to me. I don’t use pot but the people who do are fun to be around. Health wise, moldy air is way way more harmful to breathe than ambient pot. One should just use common sense.
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I agree when it comes to public exposure of the fumes to others.
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Edited by
Unknow
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Wed 03/13/19 04:28 AM
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No one has ever died because of marijuana. You can not overdose on it! There has not been one death linked solely to marijuana. Sure has it been in the system when a drunk driver kills or gets killed, yes! But it was the alcohol that caused that accident, not marijuana. It saved my life from pain pills! Saved many of my friends lives from pills, heroin, coke, crack, etc! The only way you will die from marijuana, is if bail of it hits you on the head and crushes your spinal cord! lol Actual there have been people who have died from ingesting marijuana. It is possible to "overdose" on it, but overdoses aren't associated with fatalities. In most states that allow recreational marijuana there are reports of children being taken to emergency rooms suffering from the effect caused by accidental ingestion. And in the case of accidents it's impossible to determine whether alcohol or marijuana was cause when BOTH were present in the system and both can impair the ability to drive. The fact is there is still a lot to be learned about the effects of marijuana. Like I said before I think it should be legalized but to ignore the possible harmful effects that can be attributed to it's use is irresponsible. I would suggest looking at the numbers put out by New Zealand. According to their 2016 Harm Index cannabis is responsible for 32 deaths per year. You can overdoes by over ingesting anything, even water which is an important component of our existence. |
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I'm just curious how many, if anybody have had to possibly explain reasons for use to kids? I ask, because I just recently had to explain to my girlfriend's 10 year old daughter, that I smoke Cannabis. She caught me firing up my pipe while I was out smoking. While I was able to explain, and she understands that there are medicinal benefits from Cannabis use. I guess I'm just wondering how anyone else handled the situation? Like all discussion, age of the child and developmental stage are important factors in how to communicate things to them. My daughter is 11 and a pretty smart girl as far as logic goes. I just tell her the truth with analogies. I tell her that people do things that make them feel good, like when she wants a cookie, or when she takes medicine. I explain that some people use marijuana like we might use tylenol or advil to feel better. And some people use marijuana like others use alcohol, to 'feel' better. But that, like alcohol, some people also ABUSE marijuana to avoid facing obstacles and problems, instead of as an occasional recreation. She understands it. Thank you Ms Harmony, for your response. Thankfully, I had the right frame of mind to explain pretty much like you stated. I tried my best not to make it complicated, and stuck with the truth. |
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No one has ever died because of marijuana. You can not overdose on it! There has not been one death linked solely to marijuana. Sure has it been in the system when a drunk driver kills or gets killed, yes! But it was the alcohol that caused that accident, not marijuana. It saved my life from pain pills! Saved many of my friends lives from pills, heroin, coke, crack, etc! The only way you will die from marijuana, is if bail of it hits you on the head and crushes your spinal cord! lol In most states that allow recreational marijuana there are reports of children being taken to emergency rooms suffering from the effect caused by accidental ingestion. And in the case of accidents it's impossible to determine whether alcohol or marijuana was cause when BOTH were present in the system and both can impair the ability to drive. The fact is there is still a lot to be learned about the effects of marijuana. Like I said before I think it should be legalized but to ignore the possible harmful effects that can be attributed to it's use is irresponsible. I would suggest looking at the numbers put out by New Zealand. According to their 2016 Harm Index cannabis is responsible for 32 deaths per year. Your wrong! I read a lot about marijuana and just looked up to verify what you said and there is no overdose deaths from marijuana! None!! When it comes to a drunk that got in an accident that had herb in his body. It was the alcohol that caused that, not the herb! You don't drive erratic on herb, you drive safer, slower and better! There is only one death in a baby they are trying to link it to herb and there are so many flaws in their theory along with a ton of professionals that disagree with the few doctors that are saying herb caused it. So just like in any debate, majority wins! BTW I been smoking for over 33 years! It has helped my asthma, my allergies, my pain levels from broken spine in the past, bulged discs in my neck, 3 compressed vertebrae and 14 major concussions! It has helped my brain damage from those concussions, because herb helps protect the brain in those incidents along with helping to repair it. This is why they say people with dementia and alzheimers should smoke it. There is also one death they say was caused in Colorado, which is inconclusive as well cause of the fact, most of all other drugs are out of the body within 24hrs. So they couldn't tell if any other drugs or alcohol was involved in this death. Making it inconclusive. So you can't blame something, when there is not concrete evidence. So until there is 100% concrete evidence, I will stick to the fact there has not been one conclusive death caused by herb alone! I have been studying Hemp and Marijuana for 10+ years. I a lot of cases, that would make me a professional at Marijuana research. JS If there is ever one case, they can pinpoint to just herb, then I will stand corrected. Till then, show me concrete evidence to prove me and thousands of other researchers and scientist wrong. I said "Actual there have been people who have died from ingesting marijuana. It is possible to "overdose" on it, but overdoses aren't associated with fatalities." I DIDN'T say there were deaths from OVERDOSE. I said there have been deaths from ingesting marijuana and that overdoses AREN'T associated with fatalities....AKA deaths. I don't doubt there are some medical benefits to marijuana, I don't question research about it's benefits, but to IGNORE and REFUSE to accept the research and findings about the negative effects is being just as closed minded as those who ignore and refuse to accept the medical benefits of marijuana. There are people who claim the drive better after drinking alcohol and they are just as delusional as anyone who thinks that they drive better after using ANY substance. People in denial are a danger to themselves and others. |
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Somebody pass this geezer a dooby please
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Somebody pass this geezer a dooby please 
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Somebody pass this geezer a dooby please Thanks but I don't need or want one. If and when I feel I want one I know where to get one if I want to get high....and if and when I feel one would medically benefit me I would get one. Like I said before I think it SHOULD BE LEGALIZED. I didn't become what you call a "geezer" by being stupid and/or irresponsible. For anyone who thinks I'm some kind of anti marijuana extremist you couldn't be more mistaken. I had discussion with other family members, including my sister who is an oncology nurse, about getting some marijuana for my mom when she was dying from cancer because I BELIEVED it might be beneficial. My sister and I tried convincing my mom it might help her but she didn't want to try using it. |
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Somebody pass this geezer a dooby please Thanks but I don't need or want one. If and when I feel I want one I know where to get one if I want to get high....and if and when I feel one would medically benefit me I would get one. Like I said before I think it SHOULD BE LEGALIZED. I didn't become what you call a "geezer" by being stupid and/or irresponsible. For anyone who thinks I'm some kind of anti marijuana extremist you couldn't be more mistaken. I had discussion with other family members, including my sister who is an oncology nurse, about getting some marijuana for my mom when she was dying from cancer because I BELIEVED it might be beneficial. My sister and I tried convincing my mom it might help her but she didn't want to try using it. I was anti marijuana but not any more. It is legal here now too. I have seen many benefit from its use including a friend going through chemo. It has it’s benefits, no doubt. Plus it doesn’t hurt to just get high now and then same as having a drink. |
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Legal in my state..niener niener ;-) I am most happy for the chemotherapy people who can tolerate those drugs using weed. Legal in my state too - but try to find a place that sells it - the state voted yes but most all the towns say not in my town!  ...... duh....
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Legal in my state..niener niener ;-) I am most happy for the chemotherapy people who can tolerate those drugs using weed. Legal in my state too - but try to find a place that sells it - the state voted yes but most all the towns say not in my town! ...... duh.... Lol we can order it from the government! Can’t get any easier. |
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It's got to be said you'r a better man straight. but if you are suffering and it helps. Then I can't see a problem. It does stink though. and IS addictive. And not cheep, it will keep the youth poor.
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Somebody pass this geezer a dooby please Thanks but I don't need or want one. If and when I feel I want one I know where to get one if I want to get high....and if and when I feel one would medically benefit me I would get one. Like I said before I think it SHOULD BE LEGALIZED. I didn't become what you call a "geezer" by being stupid and/or irresponsible. For anyone who thinks I'm some kind of anti marijuana extremist you couldn't be more mistaken. I had discussion with other family members, including my sister who is an oncology nurse, about getting some marijuana for my mom when she was dying from cancer because I BELIEVED it might be beneficial. My sister and I tried convincing my mom it might help her but she didn't want to try using it. I was anti marijuana but not any more. It is legal here now too. I have seen many benefit from its use including a friend going through chemo. It has it’s benefits, no doubt. Plus it doesn’t hurt to just get high now and then same as having a drink. I agree - I equate smoking pot to alcohol -the main difference being I've seen many people who get nasty when drunk - if someone gets too high they'll just fall asleep (with a great big smile on their face)
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I suspect, a joint, or three,
might make some of threads a wee more understandable. |
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Legal in my state..niener niener ;-) I am most happy for the chemotherapy people who can tolerate those drugs using weed. Legal in my state too - but try to find a place that sells it - the state voted yes but most all the towns say not in my town! ...... duh.... Lol we can order it from the government! Can’t get any easier. Turns out my government is the worst dealer I ever had  
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Legal in my state..niener niener ;-) I am most happy for the chemotherapy people who can tolerate those drugs using weed. Legal in my state too - but try to find a place that sells it - the state voted yes but most all the towns say not in my town! ...... duh.... Lol we can order it from the government! Can’t get any easier. Turns out my government is the worst dealer I ever had John, if you prefer your old dealer then by all means, get your stuff from them. I don't use marijuana but my son and daughter do and I feel safe for them to buy from the government than the illegal stores they used to go.. open one day and closed the next.  
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Hi Rosie
Naw I'm not a real real stoner, I just like to play one on here Pass the beer nuts eh?
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Oops they spilled..
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