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Tom, even if you don't believe, that people are born gay, and that people don't experience a sexual attraction until puberty, then I still feel, this is not a choice
You are attracted to, who you are attracted to, it's an impulse, not a choice. And I think you'll find many people, knew they were gay or straight, before they hit puberty |
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You become what you are through a combination of genetics and upbringing. Is there a "gay" gene? Maybe not. But it could very well be a lack of a "I really dig the ladies" gene plus some other factors that determines sexual orientation.
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When I was a kid I was attracted to many tv and movie stars.
Baseball and football players. I was attracted to certain animals and even cartoons. I identified with my father more than my mother. I didn't want to have sex with anyone...ewww! During my early adult years I had friends that were gay and I accepted them as people when many couldn't. I never felt the urge to 'hook up' with any of them. I'm thinking I have a gay sympathizing gene? I also really like monsters and creatures so I must have a monster & creature gene? I'm really into space and physics so I must have a space gene and a physics gene? Stop me when you finally figure out what I am saying. Genetic traits are evolved over generations within a species. A gay gene would burn itself out before it became a trait because if a species is gay, it cannot reproduce. Sex is a trait that has a purpose. That purpose is the need for a species to continue via reproduction. Genes are not going to twist that need to continue the species, it is a learned trait, not an evolutionary one. Thus, nobody is born gay. |
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Tom, even if you don't believe, that people are born gay, and that people don't experience a sexual attraction until puberty, then I still feel, this is not a choice You are attracted to, who you are attracted to, it's an impulse, not a choice. And I think you'll find many people, knew they were gay or straight, before they hit puberty I totally agree - it is definitely something you are born with - it's biological snd can't be changed. I doubt anyone would chose to be gay since it is outside the norm in most societies. Case in point: I have 2 cousins who are gay - one is male the other is female (they are both from the same mother) Now if that is not a case for biology, I don't know what is! |
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I'm not really sure what evolution, or whether I subscribe to that theory or not, has to do with this I simply stated that I find your views somewhat of a dichotomy, 1 minute they're religious, and the vast majority of scientists are narcissists, and the next minute, your quoting scientific research. And you seem incapable of owning your prejudice. As you seem incapable to accept that somebody could have a perfectly happy life, and be born gay. If that's tearing down your faith, then yes, I'm happy to tear it down While I have no issue with anyone's sexual preference I refuse to believe anyone is actually "born gay'. Prior to puberty, the mind is not able to accurately assign sexual preference. Sexuality is definitely a choice. A child (someone who has not yet reached puberty) has little preference about such matters. The child may have preferences that signify a gender preference but those too are not a born choice but actually a choice determined by their circumstances. Puberty signifys hormonal changes the could develop into a sexual preference. My point is, sexual preference is not established at birth, it is learned. Anyone that has experienced raising children would know this is true. One must also consider that some parents are insane in their parenting methods. |
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I'm not really sure what evolution, or whether I subscribe to that theory or not, has to do with this I simply stated that I find your views somewhat of a dichotomy, 1 minute they're religious, and the vast majority of scientists are narcissists, and the next minute, your quoting scientific research. And you seem incapable of owning your prejudice. As you seem incapable to accept that somebody could have a perfectly happy life, and be born gay. If that's tearing down your faith, then yes, I'm happy to tear it down While I have no issue with anyone's sexual preference I refuse to believe anyone is actually "born gay'. Prior to puberty, the mind is not able to accurately assign sexual preference. Sexuality is definitely a choice. A child (someone who has not yet reached puberty) has little preference about such matters. The child may have preferences that signify a gender preference but those too are not a born choice but actually a choice determined by their circumstances. Puberty signifys hormonal changes the could develop into a sexual preference. My point is, sexual preference is not established at birth, it is learned. Anyone that has experienced raising children would know this is true. One must also consider that some parents are insane in their parenting methods. I totally disagree - I have a background in teaching and any class in child development teaches that sexuality is innate - even really small children have sexual "urges" and feelings. In a small child they are less developed ie: for babies and small children sexually is defined as what adults perceive as "sensuality" it's only when puberty is reached and the hormones kick in the the urges and feelings become sexual in nature. You argument sounds logical, but you really should read some of the child psychology and child development studies, they are really fascinating |
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I might be wrong but it makes no sense to what I have learned about genetic markers and evolutionary traits.
There are exceptions to the norm. Albino is one type of genetic exception. With a species of almost 8 billion I'm sure there are plenty of genetic exceptions in the human genome. Albinos are a fairly common exception. (in many species) How many albinos do you know? How many people do you know that have a tail? How many men get pregnant and bear children? What would happen to our species if suddenly this ... "gay gene" were turned on species-wide? Perhaps this is nature's way of culling an over-populated species before it completely destroys the planet? A type of natural genetic sterilization? I still think sexual preference is a 'preference' and not a hard coded trait governed by genetics. Its more likely there is a "delusion gene" that makes people susceptible to delusions. It sure would explain a lot. |
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Gay gene or choice I have spent a lot of time reading and listening to people talk and all that I know forward sure is that I am gay and am happy with myself the way I am
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Gay gene or choice I have spent a lot of time reading and listening to people talk and all that I know forward sure is that I am gay and am happy with myself the way I am Isn't that what is really important in life - your own contentment? I'm not like you but I can accept you as another person because I don't live behind your eyes. |
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I am not fully aware of the specifics and details pertaining to these 2 claims I am providing, but it does make you think that being Gay is not a genetic disposure at all:
Heterosexual Man Says He's Gay After Taking Prescription Drug https://www.ibtimes.com/heterosexual-man-says-hes-gay-after-taking-prescription-dru... Apr 17, 2018 - Heterosexual Man Says He's Gay After Taking Prescription Drug ... described himself as once being heterosexual claimed that a prescription drug he ... January when he started to feel uncomfortable side effects from the drug, ... Parkinson's drugs 'made me gambler, thief and gay sex fiend' | World ... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/dec/09/france.health Dec 9, 2007 - Parkinson's drugs 'made me gambler, thief and gay sex fiend' ... disturbing side effects, estimated to affect up to 15 per cent of those taking the drugs. ... Jambart was given different medication and his disorders disappeared. |
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I am not fully aware of the specifics and details pertaining to these 2 claims I am providing, but it does make you think that being Gay is not a genetic disposure at all: Heterosexual Man Says He's Gay After Taking Prescription Drug https://www.ibtimes.com/heterosexual-man-says-hes-gay-after-taking-prescription-dru... Apr 17, 2018 - Heterosexual Man Says He's Gay After Taking Prescription Drug ... described himself as once being heterosexual claimed that a prescription drug he ... January when he started to feel uncomfortable side effects from the drug, ... Parkinson's drugs 'made me gambler, thief and gay sex fiend' | World ... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/dec/09/france.health Dec 9, 2007 - Parkinson's drugs 'made me gambler, thief and gay sex fiend' ... disturbing side effects, estimated to affect up to 15 per cent of those taking the drugs. ... Jambart was given different medication and his disorders disappeared. So, then.. Do you believe someone can take a prescribed drug and "become" a pedophile, thief, rapist, etc? I don't hold that view... I feel that the propensity to do those things already existed in that person..the drugs just minimized the "filter"...in a way that alcohol lowers the filter of some people and they say things they wouldn;t otherwise. |
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So, then.. Do you believe someone can take a prescribed drug and "become" a pedophile, thief, rapist, etc? I don't hold that view... I feel that the propensity to do those things already existed in that person..the drugs just minimized the "filter"...in a way that alcohol lowers the filter of some people and they say things they wouldn;t otherwise. No, the general person today has very limited morals. Everyone is basically self absorbed. A person can simply become fixated on anything because no one around is there to provide guidelines. Science claims that 1 in every 3 babies born have some form of genetic dysfunction, or known better as Psychological Disorder. This is the result of years of basic incest that have caused the normal genetics to become skewed. So no behavior we see today is factually considered normal, even those we presume as sane. It's just genetically impossible. Example: Rattle Snakes do not normally breed with other Species of Rattle Snakes outside their own Species. But a human Species will breed with every human Species available to them. Due to this alone, we have genetically modified our "Inherited Traits." So bottom line, NO ONE is born the way they are. They are born as such, because if they traced their lineage to its beginnings, they would find where the genetics became modified and skewed. It's why a couple can have 7 children and none of them look the same, have the same behaviors, and each possess their own Disorder. We did this to ourselves, well, our ancestors did it to us!! |
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Edited by
The Wrong Alice
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Tue 07/16/19 09:49 AM
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Okay, when did this turn into nature vs nurture debate?
Personally I think both are equally valid And science claims a lot of things. A psychological disorder, is rather an arbitrary opinion, often used to peddle drugs, make money. It is also the bogeyman, who wants 1 of these disorders and to be locked up in the Looney bin, unless it has of course somehow become fashionable And are the folks with these disorders opinions valid, they're crazy anyway, or do we just listen, out of pity Is this thread maybe going off track? Who knows? Are the Spanish Inquisition homophobic? Put that inscence down, lighting it at certain moon phases, you will be shot, infidel, seize him, and his free thinking low morals |
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Okay, when did this turn into nature vs nurture debate? Personally I think both are equally valid And science claims a lot of things. A psychological disorder, is rather an arbitrary opinion, often used to peddle drugs, make money. It is also the bogeyman, who wants 1 of these disorders and to be locked up in the Looney bin, unless it has of course somehow become fashionable And are the folks with these disorders opinions valid, they're crazy anyway, or do we just listen, out of pity Is this thread maybe going off track? Who knows? Are the Spanish Inquisition homophobic? Put that inscence down, lighting it at certain moon phases, you will be shot, infidel, seize him, and his free thinking low morals Actually, the thread went from opinionated based upon beliefs, religious beliefs, to how a person becomes as such. But the silver lining here is, if incest caused most of the traits people have, then it does not matter what your belief system claims. Facts are facts and that is supposedly what we all want. |
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Does that mean everything I have ever done that people don't like wasn't me it was cause I took some headache pills once :D I'll remember that if I'm in court lol.
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Does that mean everything I have ever done that people don't like wasn't me it was cause I took some headache pills once :D I'll remember that if I'm in court lol. hahahahaha yeah, I got a kick out of those articles myself. But it's interesting to know, people have used this as an excuse for being who they are or have become. |
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I said insence not incest
 You know, those sticks people light, that smell, they're often made out of flowers I think patchouli seems to be a popular 1 |
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I said insence not incest You know, those sticks people light, that smell, they're often made out of flowers I think patchouli seems to be a popular 1 hahahaha, yeah I knew what you said. I personally like the incense from India 
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Is Religion homophobic? Back on topic... Some are some are not. Religion is not a universal belief system. |
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Is Religion homophobic? Back on topic... Some are some are not. Religion is not a universal belief system. I believe the better way to ask this question is: What Faith or belief system would actually help homosexuals vs those systems that would judge them and tear them down? |
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