BTW, do not confuse him with the English Bloke with similar name from the UK.

It will severely offend him. He thinks that particular zoologist would not know his head from his butt if the 2 were not attached. His version of modern day British Science and accomplishments is about equal to blowing a snotty nose in wadded up toilet paper and then getting a standing ovation for it!!

I am resurrected, would you give a hug to a gay man?

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Most religions and cultures promote breeding. Think about it. Growth in a population would mean growth in members of that particular religion or culture. As homosexuals don't breed, they can't contribute to this growth and so are frowned upon.

Gay men need friends, need people to wish them the best, need people to love them for being a human being. I've hugged my brother numerous times and those he has been with. They are family to me since they are who my brother chooses. They've had tons of parties and I had a blast with them. Even if they joked about how they would get me wasted and pull a train on me hahahaha My brothers gay friends (men and women) cracked me up because they called me "BREEDER" hahahaha

I am not trying to put homosexuals and lesbians down by claiming what God had planned for humanity, or what my zoologist friend claims that homosexuality is not a part of evolution due to inherited traits and natural selection. I am only stating my side of the conversation, based upon the Scientific facts, to which my good friend/scientist/zoologist has shared with me on numerous accounts.

My better half is older than I am and was on the scene when aids hit the USA. A dear friend of hers died from aids, like the majority of that scene did in the 1980's.

People are people no matter who they choose to love and find appealing. Just because I presented scenarios, facts, examples, does not mean I have ill feeling towards the individual. I viewed this thread like a debate setting, not as a humanity acceptance thread.

I have a friend now whose family once around these parts were big time farmers. He has 2 partners who live with him. And each time we cross paths, he has to tell me about what happened at the most recent "Pride Parade" he attended. He is always trying to get me to come to one and support them. But as a former farmer, he knows how hectic my life is during these months. He is trying to get me to vote for presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg. He makes a joke about how America isn't ready for that kind of GAYNESS lol

He's been at my home several times and I've been to his. He has wine and I have a beer. I've hugged him a couple of times because he is my friend.

I've prayed for him a couple of times when he asked for me to. We do not shove our beliefs down one another's throats, we discuss things and agree to disagree lol

And after he met Charlie and discussed issues on the side of Science, he agrees his own choice of being Gay had more to do with his Narcissist Mother, rather than being born that way.

It is what it is!!

Well I'm glad that you have hugged a gay man.
But I find your views, a little odd
You seem to be forever explaining, why people would choose to be gay
You seem reluctant to accept, that people are born gay
And that does come across, as a bit homophobic

I also provided a scientist that claims most scientists are clueless. I provided an 86 year old zoologist who his peers call an expert and accept his findings, discoveries, thesis, Theories to be factual and like the Gospel in the Bible.

You do know that zoologists are Biologists and have studied Single Cell, Bacteria, DNA? It's gives him a better perspective on views and provides him as an authoritative expert.

He claims due to Natural Selection, which only allows the genetics to basically breed survive, the other genetics are killed off...and he claims that Inherited Traits plays another role like Natural Selection.

So by scientific explanation, he claims it is literally impossible to be born gay through evolution. And those that are gay, choose to be so, because they have a genetic defect that creates Psychological Damage to their brain.

I definitely buy that. Because you have to be insane to look at Dude's butt and find that attractive!!

Well I don't buy it, and tbh it's a bit insulting
And it smacks of the Christian spin on things. The hey, I'm not prejudice, but the Bible says the man is the head of the household, it says this, it says that.
And your scientific views are also opposed to other views you often put forward, which seem to be deeply rooted in 1 interpretation of the bible, and therefore is often not crazy about scientists.
For you to say, you were prejudice, would be against your faith.
But your views regarding homosexuality are prejudice. I agree, that in some cases, a very small amount of cases, that perhaps some traumatic experience, has perhaps caused an impact on somebodys sexuality.
But that is a very small minority.
And yet you do not seem to recognize this, and instead use it as a sort of description for all gay people.
Some people have led a happy life, and always been gay, in fact the vast majority.
But your version of Christianity, seems unable to accept that, or the fact that by not accepting that is prejudice.
And tbh, that's often the worst kind of prejudice.
For somebody to outright say they are prejudice is bad enough, but at least they're honest about their views.
This is a sort of veiled prejudice
Your views are very typical, and really highlight why I created the thread

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-48936482/am-i-too-gay-for-god

This program was on the other day, I only half watched some of it, but it seems relevant

Well I don't buy it, and tbh it's a bit insulting
And it smacks of the Christian spin on things. The hey, I'm not prejudice, but the Bible says the man is the head of the household, it says this, it says that.
And your scientific views are also opposed to other views you often put forward, which seem to be deeply rooted in 1 interpretation of the bible, and therefore is often not crazy about scientists.
For you to say, you were prejudice, would be against your faith.
But your views regarding homosexuality are prejudice. I agree, that in some cases, a very small amount of cases, that perhaps some traumatic experience, has perhaps caused an impact on somebodys sexuality.
But that is a very small minority.
And yet you do not seem to recognize this, and instead use it as a sort of description for all gay people.
Some people have led a happy life, and always been gay, in fact the vast majority.
But your version of Christianity, seems unable to accept that, or the fact that by not accepting that is prejudice.
And tbh, that's often the worst kind of prejudice.
For somebody to outright say they are prejudice is bad enough, but at least they're honest about their views.
This is a sort of veiled prejudice
Your views are very typical, and really highlight why I created the thread

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-48936482/am-i-too-gay-for-god

This program was on the other day, I only half watched some of it, but it seems relevant

Christian Ideology goes against everything Jesus was preaching
To love one another and to keep up hope that mankind is going to get better and acceptance
Mark Twain wrote at a very controversial time that if Jesus were alive today there is one thing he would not be is a Christian...
That each of us is telling this story and whatever our faith is
Is to accept everyone's opinions maybe even forming it into part of our own belief cycles...

"good and evil" there is always going to be one with the other
But we can learn to twist this realm for fighting for the light or serving the darkness
To truly form peace is to know ourselves...
But fighting amongst each other has torn us apart

If you believe in evolution, how is it you don't even understand "Natural Selection and Inherited Genetics?"

That is what is insulting!!

Someone like you can tear down people of faith but cannot even explained scientific Theories?

Maybe you don't believe in either God or Science!!

Awesomely put and well thought out!!

But on 7 occasions, Yeshua did claim that Sodom and Gomorrah were going to be judged on the "Final Judgement." He cleverly put a spin on it...example:

It will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on Judgement Day than for ...typically He was speaking to someone hurting children, someone causing another to deny God, and especially to the Pharisees.

And if we want to get into specifics here:

What do we know about Sodom and Gomorrah?

It was destroyed by God for the immoral acts of Sodomy, Homosexuality, Lesbianism, butt sex, and things of that nature.


So although I agree that Yeshua would not want to be classified as a Christian with today's example, He still claimed that Sodom and Gomorrah would be Eternally judged for their immorality.

Which if Sodom and Gomorrah are going to be judged, then Yeshua is claiming that the acts of Sodomy, Homosexuality, Beastiality, Lesbianism are acts people CHOOSE TO DO, NOT BORN TO DO!!

If they were born to do these things, then why would Yeshua even mention they are going to be judged?

What many fail to realize is good and evil are entirely man-made concepts.

In nature, there is no good or evil.

The star that give light to a world so things can grow is not good.
The star that supernovas and destroys worlds is not evil.
It just is.

Good and evil hinges on decisive motives.

In my experience and observation, MOST people are nowhere near that logical.

Basically, they start from " I enjoy this, but that grosses me out," and then AFTER the fact, they work out sometimes VERY elaborate cover stories and involved excuses for why it should be okay for them to do whatever they happen to want, in reaction to their sensibilities.

In actuality, most people, with the exception of a very few amoral Ted Bundy types, who participate in socially or religiously unacceptable behaviors feel a great deal of guilt. This accounts for the large amount of alcohol and drug abuse and other self harming actions of many people who lead "alternative" life styles.

I'm not really sure what evolution, or whether I subscribe to that theory or not, has to do with this
I simply stated that I find your views somewhat of a dichotomy, 1 minute they're religious, and the vast majority of scientists are narcissists, and the next minute, your quoting scientific research.
And you seem incapable of owning your prejudice. As you seem incapable to accept that somebody could have a perfectly happy life, and be born gay.
If that's tearing down your faith, then yes, I'm happy to tear it down

Here's something that quite possibly has sod all to do with this

https://youtu.be/lwgwVhmRprY

But it always makes me smile, Rod the mod If you want my body, and you think I'm sexy, come on sugar tell me so

While I have no issue with anyone's sexual preference I refuse to believe anyone is actually "born gay'.

Prior to puberty, the mind is not able to accurately assign sexual preference.
Sexuality is definitely a choice.

A child (someone who has not yet reached puberty) has little preference about such matters.
The child may have preferences that signify a gender preference but those too are not a born choice but actually a choice determined by their circumstances.

Puberty signifys hormonal changes the could develop into a sexual preference.
My point is, sexual preference is not established at birth, it is learned.
Anyone that has experienced raising children would know this is true.
One must also consider that some parents are insane in their parenting methods.

Religion is whatever you want it to be look at how many of them say don't kill then **** off to somewhere and have a war all in gods name and all of em do it look at the Buddhists in Burma or the whole IS lot and how the Christians have being for years. Anyone who looks at it with an open mind will see most religions are the same they was all designed to scare people years ago and keep people in control and shouldn't be taken too seriously. Now don't get me wrong if you want to believe all the things they say great whatever stops you from putting a bullet in you own head but just look at how much **** they all cause.