Topic: Can the government force you to be vaccinated against covid
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Sat 05/23/20 10:30 PM
There will be an overwhelming demand for the vaccine .. countries are already fighting for their right to have equal access to a vaccine once it is available .. ... i imagine the situation will be in reverse with many wanting the vaccine for themselves and their children but will be unable to acquire it . There will be a pecking order for who gets it . So..., anyone anti the vaccine .... try not to stress .. you have time to build a secret hideaway or a rocket ship :wink: biggrin

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Sat 05/23/20 10:50 PM
Edited by Zion on Sat 05/23/20 10:54 PM
Feel free to trust the the people behind the scenes not to use you, abuse you or subject you to any illicit affairs or experiments.

It's not like they would subject common people to venereal diseases, radioactive materials or other detrimental experiments...

oh wait...well, they wouldn't do it again...

and, what they actually fail to tell you is that any "vaccine", if it were possible to be developed, would only work on the current strain of the bug. Just like the flu, this virus will mutate as it laps the globe and will return renewed, refreshed and ready to party every year. Any shot you get will work just as likely as that for the flu...which for the past 2 years has been a whopping zilch because the "experts" guessed wrong and developed the wrong vaccine for the wrong dominant strain. However, even after they knew it would be ineffective, they still made a point to stress how it was very important to get...but nobody seemed to ask why...

All this for a bug that kills less than one percent of the people it infects. More babies were aborted in just the United States last year than all the people killed by this bug world-wide (if reports can be assumed to be correct), yet those lives weren't important...as we learned in high school; all animals are equal but some animals are more equal, or important, than others.

But don't worry...the establishment drones will be out in force to make sure to ridicule and attempt to bully and shame anyone who might question this. They already have the left-wing social media moguls in their pockets to make sure you don't get "any false information" using the well established practices of Mao, Stalin and Goebbels.

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Sun 05/24/20 06:00 AM




I believe China made the virus to eliminate their elderly population and it got away from them. They are so over-populated they dont care. I personally will fight being injected with who-knows-what. I have never gotten a flu shot. I did have to get a hepatitis shot when working for the Veterans Hospital in Lincoln. That I could understand. But a covid injection? NO
that is an incredible belief ..

Even if China had the intelligence to genetically engineer the furin cleavage site that enables efficient spread of covid In humans ... how did they target that to an elderly population .,...Covid is “indiscriminate “ and widespread . It does not just target elderly .. anyone can be infected . Depopulation versus economic collapse .., what exactly is the gain ???


researchers on Monday announced the most comprehensive estimates to date of elderly people’s elevated risk of serious illness and death from the new coronavirus: Covid-19 kills an estimated 13.4% of patients 80 and older, compared to 1.25% of those in their 50s and 0.3% of those in their 40s.


https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/30/what-explains-coronavirus-lethality-for-elderly/

How is it done? It's called genetic manipulation. Labs have been fine tuning experiments genetically since they mapped the human genome years ago. I'm really shocked someone claiming to be in the medical profession is not aware of that.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=china+genome+editing&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

Feel free to catch up on your journal reading. Since Human modification is frowned upon by the scientific community, you won't find examples of that..but if you can do it to a kiwi fruit or wheat, you can do the same thing for ANY living creature.

But wait...after an extensive google search taking 30 seconds...From 2018:

Chinese Scientist Says He's First To Create Genetically Modified Babies Using CRISPR

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/11/26/670752865/chinese-scientist-says-hes-first-to-genetically-edit-babies

What is to gain? Well, the elderly don't produce. The majority are a drain on a country's resources providing little to no positive resources or input. If China were to get rid of a majority of their extensive elderly, it frees up state resources and costs the state less. We are currently experiencing this in America with most of the Baby-Boomers retiring and the remaining workforce isn't large enough to provide via Social Security. Is the purposely killing off a generation ethical? I think their response in Hong Kong issue that was going on right before Covid took over the headlines could be an example of their questionable ethics.
can you please be more specific ., about how they genetically engineered covid to target just the elderly .laugh laugh laugh .

The DNA sequence of covid has been studied scientifically around the world . The only difference that has been found between covid and previous caronaviruses is the furin cleavage site . ( I can explain that to you in simple terms but I doubt it would help ). The site is not specific to the elderly . I am sure if there was any evidence of further manipulation science would have found it . While it is true the cleavage site can be genetically engineered it can also occur naturally .






If someone has furin their cleavage they should probably trim it or wax it, not sure why that has anything to do with covid. The Dr. always says its a virus let it take its coarse, and that's what we should do. It is natures way of taking out the weak, that happens to be old and sick people. Even most of the old people dying have an underlying medical condition. We have been due to have a pandemic for awhile now, what scares me most are the look downs and social distancing going to become a regular part of life every time there is a new strain of Corona, influenza, or any other out break? It will take time for our immune systems to adjust, but eventually they will.

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Sun 05/24/20 02:59 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 05/24/20 03:00 PM

Alan Dershowitz, DEM laywer says YES, the state has every right to plunge the needle into your arm. (from The Blaze radio media and Dershowitz on YouTube). Would YOU fight getting the shot?


We have the 'right' to refuse. I do not think such authority is specifically in the constitution, and therefore is more of a state issue.

States may decide for the 'common welfare' of the public to mandate shots, I think. I am not sure. In Ohio, we had a form to opt out of shots. However, such form comes with aknowledgement that there is NO liability for anyone else when or if sickness occurs. The thing with vaccines is they decrease odds of being overtaken with the illness. So if the majority take the vaccine, the minority who don't are really mostly only risking their own or children's health. Sad for the children who get no choice though.

IF the reverse happens though, you have a pandemic, and exponentially larger percentages of people are susceptible to being infected or dying.

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Mon 05/25/20 12:24 PM
Edited by Duttoneer on Mon 05/25/20 12:48 PM


Topic: Can the government force you to be vaccinated against covid



in the uk. Coronavirus Act 2020: Does it permit mandatory vaccinations?

Louise Hooper of Garden Court Chambers explains that social media concerns that changes to the law mean that the Government has the power to force vaccines or other medication on you are wrong and unfounded.

http://www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/coronavirus-legal-news-views/coronavirus-act-2020-does-it-permit-mandatory-vaccinations


To visit some countries you already need to have been vaccinated against certain diseases, such as, Yellow Fever, and hold a current vaccination card as proof. If a Covid-19 vaccine is found, we may have to be vaccinated and hold a vaccination card as proof in order to travel, so it may leave little choice other than to be vaccinated if you wish to travel to other countries.

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Mon 05/25/20 02:01 PM
That I believe as well, performance review , I am a retired Marine, my grown children all four called at the beginning of the virus to say hi and damn Dad you were ready for that, no worries I assured them they had a safe place to go oooohhhrrraaa

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Tue 05/26/20 09:58 AM
YES.......

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Tue 05/26/20 11:25 AM
I'll even take yours if you don't want it. I don't want to get the cooties

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Wed 05/27/20 01:10 AM
I'm leaning more toward herd immunity.

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Wed 05/27/20 05:04 AM
The government here in US cannot control people wearing Masks even.

Sheriff cannot arrest you if you don't.


Taking a vaccine is more serious . No, not happening in the USA. We are a Freedom County.

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Wed 05/27/20 05:07 AM

The government here in US cannot control people wearing Masks even.

Sheriff cannot arrest you if you don't.


Taking a vaccine is more serious . No, not happening in the USA. We are a Freedom County.


sure about that?

Police officer uses 'take-down' maneuver on Alabama shopper who wasn't wearing mask in viral video

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/08/alabama-woman-without-face-mask-police-officer-viral-video/3094159001/

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Wed 05/27/20 05:26 AM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Wed 05/27/20 05:27 AM
PSX

Let me say not in my State, Not Wearing a mask is not against the Law.

Some stores can refuse you service without one! You just have to leave.

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Wed 05/27/20 05:53 AM

PSX

Let me say not in my State, Not Wearing a mask is not against the Law.

Some stores can refuse you service without one! You just have to leave.


Illinois Mask Requirements: New face mask order changes mandate amid coronavirus pandemic

https://abc7chicago.com/illinois-face-mask-law-requirement-order-mandate/6132820/

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Fri 05/29/20 04:52 PM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Fri 05/29/20 04:53 PM

You already believe what you believe ., without proof .


I will leave the blame game to you .... am not looking to blame anyone .., All world leaders are accountable for their management of the pandemic .. ...scrutiny is to be expected . (Think of it as a performance review ) If trump has performed well as a leader he has nothing to lose sleep over :wink:
flowerforyou

I agree with you when a vaccine has been proven... I would get it ... I would not take what trump is taken ... even his own doc did not want to give this to him ... ? blondey ... some are saying now... don't need a mask ... they want to open churches now ... that is up to the church not anyone else ... it is being close to others ...that all have been concerned with in a tight quarters...
a lot has been canceled becouse some places may be more at risk... understandable ... my ? do you believe the hospitals are ready for the second wave of this ... I am trying to think positive ...about a vaccine... believe thats what is needed ... should we be made to take it ... not unless it has been proven safe ... but again that is up to the person... I always thought even for their children ... do not have to get shots due to religions... not sure about that tho... TCBS...

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Fri 05/29/20 07:45 PM
-- great responses -- lots to consider from both sides.

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Fri 05/29/20 09:28 PM


You already believe what you believe ., without proof .


I will leave the blame game to you .... am not looking to blame anyone .., All world leaders are accountable for their management of the pandemic .. ...scrutiny is to be expected . (Think of it as a performance review ) If trump has performed well as a leader he has nothing to lose sleep over :wink:
flowerforyou

I agree with you when a vaccine has been proven... I would get it ... I would not take what trump is taken ... even his own doc did not want to give this to him ... ? blondey ... some are saying now... don't need a mask ... they want to open churches now ... that is up to the church not anyone else ... it is being close to others ...that all have been concerned with in a tight quarters...
a lot has been canceled becouse some places may be more at risk... understandable ... my ? do you believe the hospitals are ready for the second wave of this ... I am trying to think positive ...about a vaccine... believe thats what is needed ... should we be made to take it ... not unless it has been proven safe ... but again that is up to the person... I always thought even for their children ... do not have to get shots due to religions... not sure about that tho... TCBS...
there is a lot of debate over the general public using masks ... a lot of it relates to improper use of the mask, style of mask used and effectiveness of the mask . Most of the masks used by the public do not prevent transmission of small aerosol particles . Masks which do not seal tightly against your face are unlikely to be very effective . Some masks lose their effectiveness after 20 mins of wear so wearing longer than their intended use is also likely to be ineffective .

As for hospital preparedness .. I would hope the last few months have highlighted major inadequacies in the health system to cope with a pandemic . Hopefully shortages of critical care staff, negative pressure isolation rooms , ppe , medical supplies and equipment will continue to be addressed . Many hospitals had issues with capacity and had to defer elective surgeries and cancer treatments . Staff were deployed from many areas to assist in critical care but may not have had the experience or support that was needed . Ideally we should have funding and services in place to care for both covid and non covid populations . Many Hospitals are now faced with not only a huge backlog of deferred surgeries but also lost funding generated by such procedures . Hospital emergency Contingency plans were
In most cases significantly underestimated .. and highlighted issues with expired and insufficient stockpiles of emergency supplies . I would hope hospitals are re-evaluating all deficits . Likewise I would hope governments are addressing Long-standing issues with underfunding and poor staffing ratios .

On a positive .. we now have experience in what is required to cope with covid . There is a global database of research findings and therapeutics that have helped . We now understand more about the virus and it’s capabilities . From that perspective we are in a better position to cope with a second wave waving

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Fri 05/29/20 11:48 PM


The government here in US cannot control people wearing Masks even.

Sheriff cannot arrest you if you don't.


Taking a vaccine is more serious . No, not happening in the USA. We are a Freedom County.


sure about that?

Police officer uses 'take-down' maneuver on Alabama shopper who wasn't wearing mask in viral video

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/08/alabama-woman-without-face-mask-police-officer-viral-video/3094159001/


It'd be interesting to see how the charge,
and/or, any appeals hold up in court.

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Sat 05/30/20 12:05 AM
Edited by Larsson71 on Sat 05/30/20 12:06 AM
A vaccine? Are people going to be stupid enough to believe this crap? There already is a vaccine for it and if you don't believe me, just look at the time when Boris Johnson, over here had it? On the Tuesday, he was pale and at deaths door, but amazingly on the Friday,in the same week, he was up and about and a picture of health? Why? Cos he was given the cure, that's why! As was the rest of his colleagues that had it too and also Prince Charles. If your face fits and you have enough money, you'll be cured, no problem, here in the UK. Something stinks about this vaccine that Bill Gates has and I got one won't be getting it anyway! Call me paranoid, whatever, as I don't give a s**t. I just don't believe a word that the Government tells me, as they're all choc a block with liars, from top to bottom!

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Sat 05/30/20 05:06 AM

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Sat 05/30/20 05:24 AM



The government here in US cannot control people wearing Masks even.

Sheriff cannot arrest you if you don't.


Taking a vaccine is more serious . No, not happening in the USA. We are a Freedom County.


sure about that?

Police officer uses 'take-down' maneuver on Alabama shopper who wasn't wearing mask in viral video

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/08/alabama-woman-without-face-mask-police-officer-viral-video/3094159001/


It'd be interesting to see how the charge,
and/or, any appeals hold up in court.


Never crossed my mind that a policeman (or any man) would slam a woman down on her back and apply his knee as he handcuffs her. I saw the full video. She's not the type who will further humiliate herself by going to court.

And you Barbarians call us Indians a developing country!