Let's have a discussion on covid19. Say if you believe in the pandemic or that it is a scam and why you have chosen that opinion.

So here we are in the 8th month of this scamdemic. I believe it is a scam. There is more than enough evidence to prove that it is a scam. Event 201, the fact the CDC does not have a sample of the virus (from their own documents), and the WHO is operated by a very corrupt bunch. The head of the WHO was the Ethiopia Health minister and he helped cover up 3 cholera epidemics. He also has no medical training and is not a doctor. The masks are a joke. It's like trying to stop mosquitoes with a barbed wire fence.

Ever notice, pandemic is just panic,
with dem in the middle of it?

every few years or so there is a new deadly flu strain the media backs to get people all worked up.

governments use it to put controls on the population and initiate new policy precedents, religion uses it to promote the end days fearmongering, pharma uses it to get funding and sell more 'related' meds, media uses it for web clicks, tune ins and advertising capitol.
each time, people react in similar ways reinforcing the agendas.

imagine there was no media coverage at all. imagine people were only concerned with realtime in-your-face reality. in my real-time reality there is no pandemic except what the media has churned up in public reaction. nobody i know is sick with covid. nobody i know knows anybody who is sick with covid.

people are so tuned to media overload they fail to live in the reality before them. why fret about anything which doesn't directly affect you? stop falling for media induced hysteria. live where you are, right here/right now.

You will have to poll the millions who have dried from it,
see what they and their families think.

funny how of those millions who died, i and nobody i know knows any of them?
as far as i'm concerned, if i have no real-life experience with something its hearsay.
might as well say godzilla attacked a city and killed millions of people.
if i encounter proof positive by an actual experience i will change my tune but till then, media fearmongering is what i see.

another example of fearmongering is ... over the past weekend accuweather was forecasting two more huricanes forming in the lower gulf of mexico. they were reporting they would be very strong storms. i went to the hurricane tracker website by noaa and there isn't any storms in the gulf at all. Last night, i got a storm surge alert on my phone. warned of flooding and drowning in the next two days from the storms predicted in the lower gulf. took a short drive to the beach at low tide and not a single surge, nothing but normal surf.
now, today, accuweather has changed its tune. now tropical storm epsilon in the middle of the atlantic is about to end all life on the eastern coast.
"Confidence continues to grow for an area of low pressure to develop by the end of the week over the western portion of the Caribbean Sea," Miller said. = fearmongering

i now return you to your previous fearmongering subject.

But how many actually Died from it and not something else? I have friends ( hard to believe) that had Family members who were in a Car Crash and the Hospital labeled COD Cov19. Had other people report their family and friends die from Cov19 but had other Medical Problems before they ever went to the hospital.
I Had Double Pneumonia Last Year. If I were to have had it again this year, (Still suffer symptoms of it) They would Label it Cov19 to get that Government Money for each case they report. Minnesota Gets $320,000-360,000 Per Case. Florida gets $140,000-240,000 Thousand per Case. A lot of Old People Dying Lack of Care and Not Actual Cov19 Because the people who are suppose to take care of them are Staying Home and Wearing their Masks in Fear of something that is No Worse the a Flu. Military had to be called in to take care of the Old People.

Why didn't they do this during the Swine Flu, The Bird Flu, or any of the stuff that happened late 90's early 2000's? They Were Deadlier.

The 2011 Movie "Contagion" Was Warning us and a Script to what happening now.. What Caused the Virus in it... A BAT who Bit a Pig. "That's Crazy Conspiracy Talk".. Yet Any Video on YouTube Telling the Truth about Cov19 are being Taken down. Any Video telling you the ONLY Way to Catch it is be Injected with it. That is why People are Dying after getting the "Vaccine" and the Government has to Modify it Yet again.

More people Die in Car Crashes, Falling in the Tube, Doing Stupid ****, anything other than Cov19 But Since there is NO Money to be had in reporting those, they get Labeled Cov19 to get the Money. Only People Dying from Cov19 are the people who are Paranoid about it, The People who have to rely on others to take care of them (elderly) Or those with already Weakened Immune Systems that even a Common cold would kill them.

The "Virus" can NOT Live outside the body for more than a Few Minutes. The "Virus" is Soo Small, it will Pass through Any Mask that is Not Used by the Medical Institutes. The "Virus" Can Not be Transmitted by Touch, Coughing, Sneezing on someone. "It" has to Get into the Blood (Vaccines). Why do you thing so many people who never got sick before, get Sick with the Flu after getting the Flu Vaccine. People are Getting Sick and Dying with the Early Releases of the Cov19 Vaccine. But these Videos by Independent Doctors, Labs, Medical Institutes are being taken down on YouTube.

But people...Sheep will believe what Mainstream Media tells them no matter what. These people are too far Gone. These people thing anyone against Gov, Mainstream Media or all Conspiracy Freaks. They Don't believe the Government/Mainstream Media has been Trying and sometimes Succeeding in Programming us for Decades and there is Plenty of Evidence out there if they are willing to look but they Won't. The Evidence gets Buried and YouTube is doing their part.

Believe what you want. There is Evidence all around you and THEY Even Tell You and Show You themselves. It's all being reviled.

Reminds me of Children and Pretending Cooties was a thing.. Those Same Children (all grown up now) are still Playing and think Cooties/Cov19 is real.

Scary S''T! Tracking. it's all about the Tracking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=932z6jvdrBE

wow a lot of ignorant people on this thread, must be trump voters
over 220000 dead americans and you think it is a scam

didnt vote for trump - not killary either

never said it was a scam - i said its media fearmongering but i can believe covid does exist. I can also believe some people die from it.

thing is, its not in my own life experiences so its all hearsay and the media blows everything disasterous out of porportion. people are overexposed to media hype and react to it in excessive ways.

chicken little syndrome.

media feeds stress to gullible public

nearly 8 billion people on the planet right now. lemme know when there have been 100 million deaths, then i'll be concerned.

like i said, if i encounter it in my personal experience i may have a different opinion on it all.


ignorance is lack of understanding.
perhaps you are just delusional?

I feel that the pandemic is real. I know several people who have got Covid. I also know people that know people that have died. On that same issue some of the people that have had it and they still can't taste or smell. Sure may seem like a small issue for you when you have never had it, but if you can't smell smoke it may be too late by the time you see the flames.

That said. Yes some deaths from car accidents can be labeled covid deaths if the compromised system allowed for it to take control and ultimately causing death. This is no different than people who have the pneumonia and then die from the flu. There system is too weak to fight off the 2nd disease. Probably just splitting hairs on which of the multiple issues really caused the death.


As for masks, people are pretty up in arms saying that it won't prevent them from getting it, well no ****. The point of a mask is to stop spreading it not to prevent you from getting it. I wear a mask every time I go in public because it isn't a big deal to just put it on for the 20 minutes I'm in the store.

In the end I find that most people that think it is a hoax end up being people that don't want to deal with putting on a mask and don't like that life has been changed. You know what, we never wanted to wear seatbelts before either.

Guess those are also the same folks that say it will all go away in November *shrug*

In regard to the "Must be trump voters" comment, well I did vote for Trump. He has done a lot of decent things while in office, he has done a lot of dumb things too. I am still waiting on term limits and swamp draining, but that may just be a pipe dream. Don't know one politician that will say sure I will only spend 2 terms in office and be done. That is their bread and butter, why throw that out. However I can say that this year I am voting for Biden, because Trump just can't shut up. If he would just shut up and let the pieces fall it wouldn't be an issue. I wouldn't work for a boss that acts like that, certainly won't vote for a man to lead my country that acts like that.

You mean the ones with pre-existing conditions or the ones that died from "covid - related"?

i wear a mask to put people at ease. i know i don't covid it so a mask to prevent me from spreading it isn't really necessary.

covid exists and people do get sick or die from it but all accounts are on social or other media and not in my face reality.

in public, its important to follow society's rules and mask wearing is a social 'rule' right now. wearing a mask is not a violation of my freedom, its a obligation to comply because i am part of the society that wants me to.
there are many social imperatives i follow as well, when i'm out in public.

many people are media overloaded and react to it without actually experiencing anything. conditioned to believe what they are told no matter the reality before them. they are living vicariously by hearsay. covid is not the only thing.

my reality in which i exist is how i live and in my reality we are not in the 'end times'. in my reality the world is just as it seems. i don't concern myself with people or places not in my reality of right here/right now.
i used to, too much stress and too many delusions.

my health is poor. if i get covid i will likely die. so be it.
however, i've 'seen' no evidence of the disease. all i 'see' is people's reaction to media hype.

most people don't realize when they focus on distant things they are not focusing on the reality actually happening to them.
this is delusional and the problem with delusions is you can't see them.
people tend to focus on the world stage and it affects them.
living in the personal experience allows ya to function correctly and stress drops off as ya remove those distant influences.

Do I think that Covid 19 is a real disease? Yes.

Has it killed approximately 1.12 million people worldwide? Probably, although there seems to be some exaggeration of numbers, where anyone who died with Covid is listed as dying from Covid.

Are these deaths terrible for those who die and their family and friends? Absolutely.

On the other hand

I can't speak for other Countries but I do know that our own Government (of whatever Political persuasion) has never cared in the past how many of us die from preventable causes and I don't accept that they care now.

Influenza kills as many as ten thousand people in the UK every year, ignoring the death toll from road traffic accidents, drug abuse, alcohol and tobacco.

It is projected that many times the number of people who have died from Covid will die from cancer, heart attacks and strokes due to non treatment directly related to lockdown restrictions.

Is it fair and proportional to close the vast majority of businesses for months with the concomitant consequences for the economy, unemployment etc which will effect tens of millions of people in this country alone? Absolutely not.

At this point in time, my working hypothesis is that the Western Economy has crashed, much worse than it did in 2010 and for the same reason, namely that despite being warned of much needed reform, Governments have done nothing different since then except enforcing 'austerity measures' on us without any hopes of paying any of the debts imposed on the population.

Of course, you can never underestimate the incompetence of wealthy, career-politicians who have never had to make any serious and difficult decisions in their lives and are unlikely to be held accountable for the consequences of their failure.

Covid19 is a rockefeller plan called operation past lockdown and its a part of a long list off the REAL Agenda21 to depopulate the world until 2025 95% less to the numbers you find at deagle.com

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at event201 the planing event not infoevent what they lying it was they give out to everyone politic leader worldwide this https://fragdenstaat.de/dokumente/4123-wie-wir-covid-19-unter-kontrolle-bekommen/ this is a plan starting with something you surely heard someone "its the biggest crises since world war 2" talk clearly its lower dangerous then the flu...at spanish flu 1918 most die on 4 vaccination waves

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Someone close to me is fighting for their life from covid at this very moment.

Younger than me with no health issues.

It's real as a heart attack.

Can you prove these numbers? You do know that the actual deaths from covid arnt that high. And the figures have been messed about with.. I know personally people who have had it, it's there's and its about. But taken about a week to recover from and " no worse than the flu"??

And the unfortunate thing is, with hospitals filling up with covid patients there's less room for other patients like heart attack victims. https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-virus-outbreak-connecticut-south-dakota-birthdays-dc26340a9b1311ad81e0f8b99a7a6dbd I live with my mother who's 90, most of her doctor's appointments in the past 6 months have been telephone calls with doctors because only emergency cases can meet in person. And you have to have an appointment to even get a phone call through. I recently had my doctor retire and getting my prescriptions for blood pressure medications rewritten is taking months.

Just because nobody you know has fallen off the edge of the earth do you believe the earth is flat? The percentage of the population with covid is still under 10% (living), the problem is hospital ICUs are filling up. And guess what, it happens because people don't believe it enough to wear masks in public. It's an epidemic of denial.

Trump's lies, here's a recent tally: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-virus-outbreak-867740a2e552b8b3d9d409c0d0ea5170