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Topic: Coronavirus - part 2
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Mon 03/29/21 09:26 PM

http://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/how-safe-are-covid-19-vaccines

Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, helps vaccinate almost half the world’s children against deadly and debilitating infectious diseases

AS PART OF ITS MISSION TO SAVE LIVES, REDUCE POVERTY AND PROTECT THE WORLD AGAINST THE THREAT OF EPIDEMICS, GAVI HAS HELPED VACCINATE MORE THAN 822 MILLION CHILDREN IN THE WORLD’S POOREST COUNTRIES, PREVENTING MORE THAN 14 MILLION FUTURE DEATHS

Share the facts

We all need information that can be trusted. Misinformation and false claims threaten to undermine the success of vaccines and put people's lives at risk.

Nearly a year after the COVID-19 pandemic began, several vaccines have now been rolled out across the world, including some that use new RNA technology that has never been approved for use on humans before. Although all these vaccines have been produced at record speed, with processes run in parallel to save time, there have been many checks and balances to ensure their safety, including being subject to the same scientific and regulatory rigour as any other vaccine.

Any possible risks that may exist are considerably lower than those associated with COVID-19 infection, and vastly outweighed by the benefits of protecting people and preventing the virus from spreading.

ENSURING SAFETY
A candidate vaccine goes through several stages before it can be given to people – right from the exploratory science, to the pre-clinical testing (often on animals), then clinical development (which includes three phases of human trials), and finally regulatory review and approval, manufacturing and quality control.
In pre-clinical studies, a vaccine is tested to see whether it is toxic and how it reacts with the body – this is to identify a safe dose before testing the vaccine candidate in people.

Human trials are designed to spot side effects – these are not the same as temporary short-term reactions such as a headache, sore arms, fatigue, chills and fever, which are not uncommon in other vaccines or injections, and are usually not harmful in the long term. Genuine side effects means anything that is long-lasting and potentially dangerous.

NEW TECHNOLOGY
Two of the new vaccines developed by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna use mRNA technology. The advantages of mRNA vaccines are numerous – they are fast to develop, cheaper and easier to manufacture than more traditional vaccines. Although RNA vaccines have not been used on the public before, this technology has been carefully developed for over a decade and there are many reasons to be reassured that they are safe.

So how does an mRNA vaccine work? RNA (ribonucleic acid) is related to DNA, and mRNA is messenger RNA, part of our genetic code that tells cells what proteins to make. The COVID-19 vaccines exploit this by sending a copy of the messenger RNA belonging to the coronavirus into our cells instructing them to make spike proteins similar to those found on the surface of the COVID-19 virus. This works because the spike protein triggers a strong immune reaction in our bodies.

But the viral RNA does not tamper with our own genetic code because it does not enter the nucleus at the heart of our cells, and so does not come into contact with our DNA. Also RNA disintegrates within about 72 hours.

SIDE EFFECTS
During clinical trials, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was given to half of a total of 43,500 people, and the Moderna vaccine to around 15,000 of 30,000 people in the trial. Throughout the phase 1, 2 and 3 trials assessing safety, no major side-effects have been reported so far.

Oxford/AstraZeneca’s candidate is a vector vaccine, which also works by inserting part of the genetic code of the virus into cells instructing them to make spike proteins. But unlike mRNA vaccines these instead use a harmless virus to deliver it. In clinical trials of this vaccine there were very rare reports of events associated with inflammation of the nervous system, but it is not clear whether those events were related to the vaccine.

The Task Force for Global Health’s Brighton Collaboration is a group of more than 750 vaccine experts working on vaccine safety, including for COVID-19 vaccines. In partnership with the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) – which, together with Gavi and the World Health Organization (WHO) is driving forward COVID-19 vaccine development – the Brighton Collaboration convened global experts to draft lists of potential adverse events of special interest for COVID-19 vaccine candidates which are reviewed by WHO.

This is just one part of the routine monitoring carried out on use of a new vaccine in the population, to watch out for any unexpected side effects. This includes a wide range of possible side-effects, including any respiratory complications (such as pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome), as well as cardiac (including cardiogenic shock, cardiomyopathy or coronary artery disease), acute renal and hepatic injury, or sepsis.

MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION
As with any drug or vaccine, separating fact from fiction is critical and can be increasingly hard to do with the amount of noise surrounding the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. Rumours circulating on the internet and on social media platforms include, for example, ones claiming that the new vaccines can affect fertility, despite there being no evidence. More importantly, there is no biological possibility that COVID-19 vaccines could affect fertility.

Nor can the vaccines actually give you COVID-19, and there is no biologically plausible mechanism through which they could do so. While there have been anecdotal reports of people appearing to get COVID-19 after the first dose of the vaccine, it is most likely that these patients already had the virus incubating before their shot. Or they were part of the small percentage of people in whom the vaccine failed to trigger an immune response, and then subsequently became infected.

Ultimately safety is paramount throughout the entire vaccine development and the regulatory approval process. Moreover, any possible risks that may exist are considerably lower than those associated with COVID-19 infection, and vastly outweighed by the benefits of protecting people and preventing the virus from spreading.

excellent post indeed . ...I am also impressed with changes taking place on multi media with more legal obligations for site owners to ensure that information posted is factual and correct .

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Mon 03/29/21 09:36 PM
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Mon 03/29/21 09:39 PM

not getting the vaccine for flippin COVID. 06/05/2020 I had to go to the ER trouble breathing. they took one look at me at the cleveland clinic and swore I had COVID. I argued with the PA and they even wrote a letter saying I had it. I had to basically BEG for the test. The PA claimed they had a woman with only a pain in her stomach that apparently had COVID. She sounded like she was trying to make me afraid and accept their diagnosis. well I refused. I finally got the test and a couple days later they were SUPPOSED to call with the results I had to call and of course it was negative as I expected. I both the letter falsely diagnosing me AND the negative test results from a couple days later. So no.....Im not getting a COVID vaccine.
It is commonplace if there is any suspicion of covid for it to be ruled out . It is called a differential diagnosis .. that does not mean you were diagnosed with covid at all . .. it means it is a possibility as you were displaying respiratory symptoms . Covid can present as GI symptoms also . I did have some questions to Ask but as you have disappeared I will leave it at that . Best of luck waving

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Mon 03/29/21 09:42 PM



This virus will kill the morons and the unlucky. frustrated drinks

I doubt that very much. Death rate is just 3% worldwide, in some countries even much lower.
And I can guarantee there's a helluva lot more morons in this world!


The CDC called me a moron and I'm still alive. I'll let you know how I die.
covid does not differentiate or discriminate ... ., it is an opportunistic virus .. it does not care about your level of intelligence . :angel:

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Mon 03/29/21 09:57 PM





This virus will kill the morons and the unlucky. frustrated drinks

I doubt that very much. Death rate is just 3% worldwide, in some countries even much lower.
And I can guarantee there's a helluva lot more morons in this world!


The CDC called me a moron and I'm still alive. I'll let you know how I die.
covid does not differentiate or discriminate ... ., it is an opportunistic virus .. it does not care about your level of intelligence . :angel:


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/anthony-fauci-rand-paul-coronavirus
what does that have to do with you .. are you paul rand laugh laugh laugh offtopic

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Tue 03/30/21 01:27 AM







This virus will kill the morons and the unlucky. frustrated drinks

I doubt that very much. Death rate is just 3% worldwide, in some countries even much lower.
And I can guarantee there's a helluva lot more morons in this world!


The CDC called me a moron and I'm still alive. I'll let you know how I die.
covid does not differentiate or discriminate ... ., it is an opportunistic virus .. it does not care about your level of intelligence . :angel:


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/anthony-fauci-rand-paul-coronavirus
what does that have to do with you .. are you paul rand laugh laugh laugh offtopic


Hello Blondy111, I love you (in a friendly way).

Did you read my statement before you replied to me? I said the CDC, not Covid. The CDC, not CORONAVIRUS, has called many people morons.

His name is Rand Paul, not Paul Rand.

Rand Paul was accused by Fauci, a strong supporter of the CDC and a professional medical advisor, as being a "moron," a word synonymous with a lower level of intelligence... an offensive and/or discriminatory assumption.

I merely intended to justify my claim: some in the medical profession discriminate. I did not make any assumptions about coronavirus although one might argue, figuratively, coronavirus acts discriminately when confronted with respective anti-bodies, or lack thereof.

Chao
hello yourmatch waving

I was referring to the offensive and insensitive statement .... “the virus will kill the morons “.

Not your link to the CDC . Apologies .. I didn’t follow that link as it was not active ... just read the link title .. with somewhat dyslexic tired eyes ..

Smiling .... Friendly love for you too tongue2



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Wed 04/07/21 01:04 AM

Covid: Brazil has more than 4,000 deaths in 24 hours for first time

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56657818

"Brazil has recorded more than 4,000 Covid-related deaths in 24 hours for the first time, as a more contagious variant fuels a surge in cases."

"Hospitals are overcrowded, with people dying as they wait for treatment in some cities, and the health system is on the brink of collapse in many areas."

"The country's total death toll is now almost 337,000, second only to the US."

"To date, Brazil has recorded more than 13 million cases of coronavirus, according to the health ministry. Some 66,570 people died with Covid-19 in March, more than double the previous monthly record."

"Epidemiologist Ethel Maciel said the country was in a "dreadful situation", telling AFP news agency: "At the rate we're vaccinating... the only way to slow the extremely fast spread of the virus is an effective lockdown for at least 20 days."

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Wed 04/07/21 03:49 PM


Covid: Brazil has more than 4,000 deaths in 24 hours for first time

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56657818

"Brazil has recorded more than 4,000 Covid-related deaths in 24 hours for the first time, as a more contagious variant fuels a surge in cases."

"Hospitals are overcrowded, with people dying as they wait for treatment in some cities, and the health system is on the brink of collapse in many areas."

"The country's total death toll is now almost 337,000, second only to the US."

"To date, Brazil has recorded more than 13 million cases of coronavirus, according to the health ministry. Some 66,570 people died with Covid-19 in March, more than double the previous monthly record."

"Epidemiologist Ethel Maciel said the country was in a "dreadful situation", telling AFP news agency: "At the rate we're vaccinating... the only way to slow the extremely fast spread of the virus is an effectiv ie lockdown for at least 20 days."
it is extremely sad to see what is unfolding in Brazil. Certainly highlights how dangerous covid can become when it is left uncontrolled . There is evidence that the P1 mutation is quickly becoming dominant in Brazil with news of a further mutation P2 (equally concerning ) discovered in Rio . Genetic sequencing appears to demonstrate that these two particular mutations allow covid to spread faster, evade antibodies and reinfect those who have already had covid, producing a more severe form of infection . Younger populations under 50 are now more at risk . It is unclear whether the current vaccine will be effective against P1 and P2.

The amazon jungles have always represented a hot spot for unknown pathogens . Mutation and spread of covid in this region is a little daunting (to me at least ).

It was believed Brazil had developed herd immunity from the first wave but it is becoming clear that this was never the case , or perhaps the level of immunity conveyed by having been infected with covid was inaccurate .

Global support with access to vaccinations is underway .

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Thu 04/08/21 01:09 AM



Covid: Brazil has more than 4,000 deaths in 24 hours for first time

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56657818

"Brazil has recorded more than 4,000 Covid-related deaths in 24 hours for the first time, as a more contagious variant fuels a surge in cases."

"Hospitals are overcrowded, with people dying as they wait for treatment in some cities, and the health system is on the brink of collapse in many areas."

"The country's total death toll is now almost 337,000, second only to the US."

"To date, Brazil has recorded more than 13 million cases of coronavirus, according to the health ministry. Some 66,570 people died with Covid-19 in March, more than double the previous monthly record."

"Epidemiologist Ethel Maciel said the country was in a "dreadful situation", telling AFP news agency: "At the rate we're vaccinating... the only way to slow the extremely fast spread of the virus is an effectiv ie lockdown for at least 20 days."
it is extremely sad to see what is unfolding in Brazil. Certainly highlights how dangerous covid can become when it is left uncontrolled . There is evidence that the P1 mutation is quickly becoming dominant in Brazil with news of a further mutation P2 (equally concerning ) discovered in Rio . Genetic sequencing appears to demonstrate that these two particular mutations allow covid to spread faster, evade antibodies and reinfect those who have already had covid, producing a more severe form of infection . Younger populations under 50 are now more at risk . It is unclear whether the current vaccine will be effective against P1 and P2.

The amazon jungles have always represented a hot spot for unknown pathogens . Mutation and spread of covid in this region is a little daunting (to me at least ).

It was believed Brazil had developed herd immunity from the first wave but it is becoming clear that this was never the case , or perhaps the level of immunity conveyed by having been infected with covid was inaccurate .

Global support with access to vaccinations is underway .


Yes thankfully, my understanding is COVAX is undertaking the biggest world wide vaccination programme in history. We are all in this together. " No one is safe until we are all safe. "

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Fri 04/09/21 06:14 AM
Sad to read... an acquaintance of mine has gotten the call for the vaccine and is in doubt. She doesn't want it, doesn't feel good to her at all, but her hubbie feels differently. I think that's what influences her.
One of her friends said that she had the 1st shot and got a severe allergic reaction and isn't even allowed to get the 2nd shot.
While on the gurney they told her "If you make it through this (!!!!) you will at least be protected."
WTF? Nice thing to say. And also, protected after 1 shot? Then why do they want to give 2?

I've also read that a relatively large group of injected people get tinnitus, sometimes lasting.
I already have chronic tinnitus that sometimes drives me up the wall. My friend is the same and after his 1st shot he said, it's like I had a jet plane in my head for some 24 hrs!"

I've also just heard that the official test phase runs from now through 2023. So I'm going to do what I'd planned to all along: wait and see what happens to all the ones who volunteered to be guinea-pigs out of misplaced fear and trust in government.
I'm taken rather shocked by people's lack of understanding and them saying: "It's not so bad, it's a li'l sting and a bit of a sore arm and that's it."
Yeah, dooohh... we all know what an injection / vaccination is like. It's about LONG term side-effects, not what the little sting feels like, but clearly these people don't understand that. Or maybe they don't want to.

In any case...
severe allergic reaction... tinnitus... I'm gonna wait and see what happens to the unfortunate ones who got it.

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Fri 04/09/21 07:12 AM
My mom , grandad and uncle all had the pzifer one with no issue . My mom is allergic to penicillin so was told she could only have the pzifer one .
My dad had the Oxford AstraZeneca one , he felt extremely tired and run down after having it and for days . He thought he was coming down with something , until he spoke to friends of his that had also had the same one and all had the same after affects as my dad .
My middle child and nephew both age 17 both had the AstraZeneca one . They both had it as they both have medical illnesses , and were told they could only have this one as the other one wasn’t suitable cus of their age .

Both of them had horrible reactions ,
my child was in pain all over their body , as well as pain every where to even not be able to move , even just to touch any part of their skin on any part of their body left them in excruciating pain , couldn’t even get out of bed , intense headaches, sickness , couldn’t feed themself ,dizziness, feeling completely withdrawn , this went on for the best part of 2 weeks .
My nephew had really bad headaches and couldn’t stand up and constant sickness , his went in for about a week .
But they’ve now said the AstraZeneca one won’t be given to under 30 year old , so for their second dose I’m not sure what they will be given then . They are both extremely put off having the next one . Having the first one was entirely my kids own decision and my sister wanted my nephew to have it.

Anyone else had any horrible after affects from any of them ?

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Fri 04/09/21 07:40 AM

My mom , grandad and uncle all had the pzifer one with no issue . My mom is allergic to penicillin so was told she could only have the pzifer one .
My dad had the Oxford AstraZeneca one , he felt extremely tired and run down after having it and for days . He thought he was coming down with something , until he spoke to friends of his that had also had the same one and all had the same after affects as my dad .
My middle child and nephew both age 17 both had the AstraZeneca one . They both had it as they both have medical illnesses , and were told they could only have this one as the other one wasn’t suitable cus of their age .

Both of them had horrible reactions ,
my child was in pain all over their body , as well as pain every where to even not be able to move , even just to touch any part of their skin on any part of their body left them in excruciating pain , couldn’t even get out of bed , intense headaches, sickness , couldn’t feed themself ,dizziness, feeling completely withdrawn , this went on for the best part of 2 weeks .
My nephew had really bad headaches and couldn’t stand up and constant sickness , his went in for about a week .
But they’ve now said the AstraZeneca one won’t be given to under 30 year old , so for their second dose I’m not sure what they will be given then . They are both extremely put off having the next one . Having the first one was entirely my kids own decision and my sister wanted my nephew to have it.

Anyone else had any horrible after affects from any of them ?

Sorry to hear that... I wouldn't let my child get another one but yeah...
The net is full with stories and information like the one you posted. Just search. it isn't difficult to find at all. And I'm not talking about the so called 'anti movement' posts, I'm talking about stories from people like what I've posted several times -and in my post above yours- and what you just did.
On FB, forums, wherever.

There have btw also been issues with Pfizer.

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Fri 04/09/21 07:46 AM
Edited by 🍫 KitKat 🍫 on Fri 04/09/21 08:01 AM
Sorry to hear that moomin :heart: Hope they don't have any long term effects.

I'm not getting the shot, my own personal decision


PS latest I heard the vaccine was only good for 200 days

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Fri 04/09/21 08:30 AM
Honestly I am torn about the whole vaccine thing .

Hands up I am anti vaxxer in general ( though I’m not one of those that are part of anti vaccine groups and do demonstrations and that )
Like my children have not been vaccinated for anything , you know like all the ones offered when they are young etc . I thoroughly researched everything and so on for them back in the day even with a Doctor friends help and we decided not to vaccinate for anything , so non of them have been vaccinated.

My middle child has an illness , that they have nearly died from several times and even just a simple cold or sickness bug or virus lands them in hospital , so if they got covid , then yes like many others it could be absolutely detrimental to them .

My child is worried about catching it and have even dropped out of college cus of the fear , as they have to catch a train and the college is in a busy city .where we live is a small town and not so many cases of it .
So it was their decision to have the vaccine , they are 17 and I felt it’s down to them to to have that control over their body , as for their medical condition they have no control over it . We went though the pros and cons and I expressed my concerns with it to them .

I too am considered high risk and therefore would have been “invited” to have the vaccine but my doctor surgery only have my old address so it would have gone to that . And my family are nagging at me that I need to have it , even though they no I am anti vaxx.

One of my concerns is that I don’t believe they can produce a safe vaccine in that such short time , without knowing in depth the down sides and dangers to it , even though they say it’s a safe .

Also my kid lives with my parents and my mom basically said if they living under their roof they have to have it done . And unfortunately that’s the only place my kid can live . And she is one of those extremely naive people that thinks everything she hears reads and is told is absolute gospel .

So for myself personally I wouldn’t choose to get vaccinated . My eldest who is 22 , she doesn’t want to get it either .

But then Like if I didn’t get the vaccine and if I was to unknowingly get covid and then unknowingly I passed it on to my child and they died from it cus of me , then of course I would never be able to forgive myself .

I don’t even know if I’m explaining it , at all well , what’s in my head . Sometimes it’s hard to explain exactly to other people what exactly you feel an is n your head ,

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Fri 04/09/21 08:34 AM
Oops posted accidentally before I finished

My mom is constantly going on at me to have it done and honestly as much as I love and appreciate her , she is wearing me down with with it . And she’s going on at me to get in touch with doctor surgery to change my address so I can be called for it , but I’m deliberately not calling them to change it cus of that even though I need to cus of an important operation I need to have .

Uggghhh :weary:

Wel I hop at least some of what I said made some kind of sense

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Fri 04/09/21 08:37 AM
Forgot to say yes I’ve done research into it and I’m not just automatically dismissing it cus I’m anti vaxx with the other things

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Fri 04/09/21 08:40 AM
Soz can’t edit on the app

I feel I should have it done cus of my child but also on the other hand , I don’t feel safe

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Fri 04/09/21 08:45 AM

Sorry to hear that... I wouldn't let my child get another one but yeah...
The net is full with stories and information like the one you posted. Just search. it isn't difficult to find at all. And I'm not talking about the so called 'anti movement' posts, I'm talking about stories from people like what I've posted several times -and in my post above yours- and what you just did.
On FB, forums, wherever.

There have btw also been issues with Pfizer.

Yes I would prefer them not to but again I’m torn cus the consequences could be fatal , it’s my decision that I don’t feel safe with it but it’s making my kid feel safe

Yes heard of the stuff coming out about the pzifer stuff and even though they are begging people to continue getting vaccinated and to not let it put them off , this is one of my points in the fact they just don’t know enough about it, wether it is really safe or not and the death from of out of the ones that got ill from it was at one number then it went up quite a bit

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Fri 04/09/21 08:47 AM

Sorry to hear that moomin :heart: Hope they don't have any long term effects.

I'm not getting the shot, my own personal decision


PS latest I heard the vaccine was only good for 200 days

It was horrible seeing them like that

And yeh I heard recently too that it’s not long term protection .
Totally respect yours and crystals decisions not to have it done

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Fri 04/09/21 09:46 AM
Thank you, Moomin!

Happy KitKat isn't getting it either, even though I don't know her reasons. But I like here and prefer her to remain healthy, hihi.



I came across this, and felt this is very applicable to what's going on in the world at the mo...


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