Moomin my heart goes out to you
It's a tough choice to make but add in concern for your children and pressure from your mom, the stress must be unbearable {{{ moomin}}}

Crystal ❤... I've thought about it long and hard.. done my research.... listened to other points of view, even read this thread and no I'm not getting vaccinated at this point.
My choice... period.

Cool!
I'm really SO happy that a few more people on here have spoken up about not wanting it.
I was beginning to feel quite lonely in here, hahaha.

Moomin, it is tough when you are under pressure from your mother.
I know of some people who have this struggle with their spouse. They not wanting it, but the spouse does.
I can understand it can make you wobble and unsure what to do, although I myself feel like, don't tell me what to do with my body!
I hope you can come to a decision! I remember you mentioning needing surgery, although I cannot recall what for. But I do hope you can get the medical help you require real soon!!
If need be, use PCR tests to get things done. I know people that need to travel for their work and do not want the vaccine. As it stands, they can do so anyways as long as they take such a test. Might work for you as well if that helps to get the surgery.

Anywho, good luck!

just get the jab .... all doctors etc have it already .... if they were to die ..... there wont be anyone left to care for you anyway ......

Yes there would be. Plenty of nurses and other medical personnel have serious doubts about it too. They are the Nr 1 witnesses to see the lies about hospitals being overrun so they have a front row seat to how the world is being manipulated and lied to. And they also get to see the victims who have severe reactions to the poison.

I'm not lying, just Google it. I read that the other day, high percentage of nurses and medical staff not having had it yet at all and possibly not getting it either. And I'm quite sure it's no different for doctors. They're not stupid, they're the ones with access to all the info.

Also... you DO know only 3% dies of it, do you? And in some countries/areas less than 1%. It's the world wide average that's 3% which is nothing.
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most frontline personnel have to have the shot just to keep working and to have cash flow..... i was in hospital for a month..and everybody around me had the shot already..... just saying .....

Covid-19: Debunking the latest wave of medical misinformation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56680399

"Posts spreading unverified theories about the pandemic continue to spread on social media platforms.

We've examined the latest wave of false information covering subjects including Covid testing kits and vaccines."

"Test swabs don't contain cancer-causing chemical"

"Covid: Claims vaccinations harm fertility unfounded"

"Scientists brand 5G claims 'complete rubbish"

Curious which hospital you are referring to ???(or location )

And which covid vaccine are they declining ??

seems to me it would be widely published .. perhaps you are worried about a law suit . If that is Your concern you do not need to name the hospital .(though if it is legitimate the public have a right to know ) .. how about telling me the location and the brand of vaccine ..

Otherwise ... Unsubstantiated rumour is the basis of misinformation . I will add you to that list

you seem conflicted crystal .. suddenly health professionals are a reliable source of info when you have mostly discredited medical information .. ...
there are many more reports from
Doctors and nurses practically begging the public to take covid seriously . Overrun hospitals and burnt out health professionals as a consequence of covid is real not an attempt to manipulate or mislead . I remember when covid began .. the Netherlands had to rely on support from German hospitals to cope with the demands . Is that a lie also ??? Sure not all hospitals or locations are affected by covid and some much worse than others .. depending on location and health resources .

My country (which has a low incidence of covid transmission ) has started vaccinating frontline health professionals. I will let you know how that unfolds .

vaccination is a personal choice ... And you are right, it becomes complicated when the outcome affects not only you ... but your loved ones . There is a lot of misinformation on the internet .. and that can be daunting when it comes to health matters . My advice would be to not feel coerced ., you need to feel happy and safe with your choice .. Perhaps talk to the medical professional who cares for your children . They will be in the best position to assess risks/benefits . Best of luck moomin

Otherwise ... Unsubstantiated rumour is the basis of misinformation . I will add you to that list



Hey why are not whistleblower working independent a reliable source?
This whistle blower are working in WHO and i havelinked to that source before but that was ignored. Whistle blower Astrid Stuckelberger, Ph.D., a WHO insider, about what she discovered about Bill Gates and GAVI, the Vaccine Alliance.

Stuckelberger has served as deputy director of the Swiss national program of aging since the 1990s, and is the president of the WHO-funded Geneva International Network on Ageing. (Bio here https://www.astridstuckelberger.com/bio/)
see this link:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/03/19/gavi-bill-gates-world-health-organization.aspx

Some other linked Gavi as source do they not have conflict of interests?

Independent researcher are more reliable in my book have respect for Mercola also.

If it safe why do the pharmacy company they want/have indemnity?

As posted in earlier post it is a emergency approval for the Vaccine in at least USA. Do you have any long terms studies on good working on MRNA-vaccines?

Several independent researcher have said it has backfired before in animal studies.

Hey why are not whistleblower working independent a reliable source?
This whistle blower are working in WHO and i havelinked to that source before but that was ignored. Whistle blower Astrid Stuckelberger, Ph.D., a WHO insider, about what she discovered about Bill Gates and GAVI, the Vaccine Alliance.

Stuckelberger has served as deputy director of the Swiss national program of aging since the 1990s, and is the president of the WHO-funded Geneva International Network on Ageing. (Bio here https://www.astridstuckelberger.com/bio/)
see this link:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/03/19/gavi-bill-gates-world-health-organization.aspx

Some other linked Gavi as source do they not have conflict of interests?

Independent researcher are more reliable in my book have respect for Mercola also.

If it safe why do the pharmacy company they want/have indemnity?

As posted in earlier post it is a emergency approval for the Vaccine in at least USA. Do you have any long terms studies on good working on MRNA-vaccines?

Several independent researcher have said it has backfired before in animal studies.








hello Calle I didn’t notice your earlier post about whistleblowing and the WHO. My comment about unsubstantiated rumour was concerning a different matter . If there is any basis to the claims I am sure they will be held accountable.

As for indemnity insurance .. as far as I know most health providers have such insurance .. it provides personal protection and covers legal costs for claims relating to professional practice . I am sure lots of industries are covered by indemnity insurance .

I read recently that Pfizer consider they have enough safety data to apply for full approval . Watch this space .

It is unlikely there are long term studies available yet . Perhaps ask in a year that said mRNA as a potential therapeutic platform has been studied since the 1990’s... the following link explains that history in more detail ... http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599

As you can see from the article there were several obstacles with earlier trials and research including the development of a safe delivery technique to deliver RNA to target cells . (Recent breakthroughs leading to the development of the covid vaccine have solved those obstacles and found a safe way to encapsulate and deliver the RNA so that it is not broken down.

Much of the earlier research focused on cancer cells but there have been studies which attempted to harness mRNA technology for vaccination purposes (Zika virus , Ebola , influenza ) . I haven’t reviewed those studies personally but It would be difficult to draw any comparisons /conclusions unless the exact same platform production techniques/ingredients and encapsulation method is used . . That would be like trying to compare apples and bananas .

I am not aware of other animal studies using the exact same platform (apart from the Pfizer and Moderna studies ) . Can you tell me which animal studies you are referring to ?

Yes, and some fly in the face of science and as such could never be proved.

hello Calle I didn’t notice your earlier post about whistleblowing and the WHO. My comment about unsubstantiated rumour was concerning a different matter . If there is any basis to the claims I am sure they will be held accountable.

As for indemnity insurance .. as far as I know most health providers have such insurance .. it provides personal protection and covers legal costs for claims relating to professional practice . I am sure lots of industries are covered by indemnity insurance .

I read recently that Pfizer consider they have enough safety data to apply for full approval . Watch this space .

It is unlikely there are long term studies available yet . Perhaps ask in a year that said mRNA as a potential therapeutic platform has been studied since the 1990’s... the following link explains that history in more detail ... http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599

As you can see from the article there were several obstacles with earlier trials and research including the development of a safe delivery technique to deliver RNA to target cells . (Recent breakthroughs leading to the development of the covid vaccine have solved those obstacles and found a safe way to encapsulate and deliver the RNA so that it is not broken down.

Much of the earlier research focused on cancer cells but there have been studies which attempted to harness mRNA technology for vaccination purposes (Zika virus , Ebola , influenza ) . I haven’t reviewed those studies personally but It would be difficult to draw any comparisons /conclusions unless the exact same platform production techniques/ingredients and encapsulation method is used . . That would be like trying to compare apples and bananas .

I am not aware of other animal studies using the exact same platform (apart from the Pfizer and Moderna studies ) . Can you tell me which animal studies you are referring to ?




Well regarding Who/Gates wistle blower, i really hope they get a fair trail for Gates. If Gates can infiltrate WHO and change the definition of Pandemic and then sell Vaccines with profit something is wrong. I think it is wrong that any person should have such power. It should be transparency also, not indemnity.

I try to investigate self. Ignorance and naivety are dangerous and there are warnings now and in history for example JFK infamous speech about hidden powers with dark agendas that works partly with infiltration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA .

What other branches have indemnity? Sadly politicians in Sweden have fixed that for some reasons, but else I don't know any.
Warranty are standard 1-2 year and must consults have insurances (I have one my self) if they do something wrong at least so in Sweden.

I don´t find it exiting trying a new technology on Billions without long terms studies. Then you give pharmacy company indemnity and let them into a race for selling vaccines and get money... What can go wrong...
How can one claim it safe if no long term studies?
https://anthonycolpo.com/yet-more-proof-the-covid-19-vaccines-have-not-been-thoroughly-tested-nor-proven-safe-and-effective/

Dr. Lee Merritt earlier linked bitchute-clip said it backfired. Already linked to one Kennedy here is nephew Robert Kennedy junior talking about it backfiring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMbRBTZhCY

If you have way to search. Then search on cat and ferrets studies and corona/ MRNA vaccine, but heard even more doctors say the same. Here is an article talking about poor studies with more links https://anthonycolpo.com/the-disturbing-truth-about-moderna-and-its-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-part-1/

This new article in Sweden suggest that the immune system have not responded as it should, might be the canaries in the mine...https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/kRVALk/forskare-skyhoga-nivaer-av-antikroppar-mot-blodplattar-hos-patiente?fbclid%3DIwAR1hLLOJxazvbbevn8r1eZ69BpgKZ-HWSynSeQktmIWNGeSxCJaH3JDDDo0

Yet, again I hope they/I are wrong, but I think this is a very risky approach.

Covid-19 vaccine tracker: the global race to vaccinate

http://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker/?areas=gbr&areas=isr&areas=usa&areas=eue&cumulative=1&populationAdjusted=1

"At least 774,302,096 doses of coronavirus vaccines have been administered around the world, data from 184 locations show.

After a year of breakneck research into more than 230 vaccine candidates, seven coronavirus vaccines are now in use in at least one country. Israel has been the fastest to roll out inoculations. More than half of its population have already received at least one dose of vaccine, and more than a third having received both doses.

The numbers shown here are updated frequently, using data compiled by the Our World in Data project at the University of Oxford as well as national data sources from some countries."

I'm wondering if anyone has seen numbers relating to covid in the world's prison systems?

I recently read 40% of US marines refused to get vaccinated.

Can inmates in prisons refuse the vaccinations? Can the guards?
Do prisoners actually wear face masks?

I realize the world's prison systems are very different. I recently watched a film about a prison riot. It was a US prison. Many US prisons afford the inmates basic human and citizen rights. I realize many world prisons do not.
How are pandemics handled in prison systems?

No one in the UK is forced to have a vaccination, and from what I can discover all Prison Officers and Prison inmates are treated in the same way as the general population with respect to where they are in the priority queue for their jabs/shots. With some Prison Officers treated as Social Careworkers and receive a higher priority. I would guess they must wear masks in communal areas, but not in the cells, and with some reorganisation, this must allow social distancing by staggering mealtimes and exercise periods to reduce the numbers gathering at any one time.

Here in the UK the government have issued details on their priority level guidance as received from the JCVI, which you can find in the website below.

http://www.gov.uk/government/publications/letter-from-the-health-and-social-care-secretary-on-covid-19-vaccination-phase-1-advice/letter-from-the-jcvi-to-the-health-and-social-care-secretary-on-further-considerations-on-phase-1-advice-1-march-2021

I have not seen anything regarding the numbers of infections in Prisons here in the UK.

Well regarding Who/Gates wistle blower, i really hope they get a fair trail for Gates. If Gates can infiltrate WHO and change the definition of Pandemic and then sell Vaccines with profit something is wrong. I think it is wrong that any person should have such power. It should be transparency also, not indemnity.

I try to investigate self. Ignorance and naivety are dangerous and there are warnings now and in history for example JFK infamous speech about hidden powers with dark agendas that works partly with infiltration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA .

What other branches have indemnity? Sadly politicians in Sweden have fixed that for some reasons, but else I don't know any.
Warranty are standard 1-2 year and must consults have insurances (I have one my self) if they do something wrong at least so in Sweden.

I don´t find it exiting trying a new technology on Billions without long terms studies. Then you give pharmacy company indemnity and let them into a race for selling vaccines and get money... What can go wrong...
How can one claim it safe if no long term studies?
https://anthonycolpo.com/yet-more-proof-the-covid-19-vaccines-have-not-been-thoroughly-tested-nor-proven-safe-and-effective/

Dr. Lee Merritt earlier linked bitchute-clip said it backfired. Already linked to one Kennedy here is nephew Robert Kennedy junior talking about it backfiring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMbRBTZhCY

If you have way to search. Then search on cat and ferrets studies and corona/ MRNA vaccine, but heard even more doctors say the same. Here is an article talking about poor studies with more links https://anthonycolpo.com/the-disturbing-truth-about-moderna-and-its-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-part-1/

This new article in Sweden suggest that the immune system have not responded as it should, might be the canaries in the mine...https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/kRVALk/forskare-skyhoga-nivaer-av-antikroppar-mot-blodplattar-hos-patiente?fbclid%3DIwAR1hLLOJxazvbbevn8r1eZ69BpgKZ-HWSynSeQktmIWNGeSxCJaH3JDDDo0

Yet, again I hope they/I are wrong, but I think this is a very risky approach.

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Thanks for the links Calle .. I was unable to open the last one . Tried with and without google translate .

I did read the links from
Anthony Colpo . He claims to be an independent researcher but unable to find if he has research qualifications or participated in research studies . His bio says he is a “certified fitness instructor”.
With the following disclaimer on his site ...,,

“All content on this web site is provided for information and education purposes only. Individuals wishing to make changes to their dietary, lifestyle, exercise or medication regimens should do so in conjunction with a competent, knowledgeable and empathetic medical professional. Anyone who chooses to apply the information on this web site does so of their own volition and their own risk. The owner and contributors to this site accept no responsibility or liability whatsoever for any harm, real or imagined, from the use or dissemination of information contained on this site. If these conditions are not agreeable to the reader, he/she is advised to leave this site immediately.”

Besides fitness he has written a couple of books and built a business which ??? appears to be centred around “******** detection”. . Some would call that a bias . If you have any evidence of his qualifications as an independent researcher please post that link . If it is just a self imposed title then to me it carries little validity .

COVID-19 and the criminal justice system
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/virus/
From the beginning of the pandemic, it was clear that densely packed prisons and jails — the result of decades of mass incarceration in the U.S. — offered ideal conditions for the transmission of the coronavirus. Several months later, the virus has claimed thousands of lives behind bars and infected 1 out of every 5 people in prison.

The Prison Policy Initiative is providing data the public needs to demand a humane response to this pandemic. We're illuminating the worst problems in the criminal justice system — as well as the most promising opportunities for change.

A State-by-State Look at Coronavirus in Prisons
http://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/05/01/a-state-by-state-look-at-coronavirus-in-prisons
While new infections in prisons have dropped in recent months from their highest peaks in mid-December, this data no longer includes new cases from the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which has had more prisoners infected than any other system. In early March, the bureau’s totals began to drop because they removed cases of anyone who was released, a spokesman said. Similarly, in early April, the Bureau of Prisons lowered the number of deaths it was reporting among people held in private prisons. As a result, we cannot accurately determine new infections or deaths in federal prisons.

392,565 cases of coronavirus reported among prisoners.
265,888 prisoners have recovered.
2,516 deaths from coronavirus reported among prisoners.

The first known COVID-19 death of a prisoner was in Georgia when Anthony Cheek died on March 26, 2020. Cheek, who was 49 years old, had been held in Lee State Prison near Albany, a hot spot for the disease. Since then, at least 2,515 other prisoners have died of coronavirus-related causes. The week of April 6, the number of deaths reported rose less than 1 percent from the previous week. COVID-19 has killed prisoners in most systems. Only one state — Vermont — has yet to report the death of a prisoner attributed to COVID-19.

While we know more about how prisoners are getting sick, another group of people is also at risk in these facilities: correctional officers, nurses, chaplains, wardens and other workers. We know little about how the coronavirus is affecting them, though they have the potential to carry it both into facilities and back out to their communities. It’s difficult to assess how prison workers are being affected because many aren’t being systematically tested.

In the most recent week, 12 states — Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia — released information on the number of their staff members tested for the coronavirus. Where we do know about positive cases, most state corrections departments stress that the count includes only the employees who voluntarily report a diagnosis, often in the course of calling out sick.

Since the start of the pandemic, 108,264 prison staff members have tested positive — with new cases at an all-time high the week of Dec. 22. Testing information for staff remains spotty in most states. Prisons have publicly reported 198 deaths among staff.

We know very little about how many staff are tested, and in many states, it’s not clear how many people are working in prisons right now. What we do know is that in several states, prison employees began to get sick before the people they oversee did.

The Marshall Project will continue to track and publish data on the coronavirus in our prison systems.

Prison systems and the more than 11 million prisoners worldwide have been disproportionately affected by COVID-19. It's estimated there are more than 527,000 prisoners who have become infected with the virus in 122 countries with more than 3,800 fatalities in 47 countries.
~ https://news.un.org

Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on prisons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_on_prisons
The COVID-19 pandemic has impacted prisons globally. There have been outbreaks of COVID-19 reported in prisons and jails around the world, with the housing density and population turnover of many prisons contributing to an increased risk of contracting the virus compared to the general population. Prison crowding and lack of sanitation measures contribute to the risk of contracting diseases in prisons and jails. As a mitigation measure, several jurisdictions have released prisoners to reduce density and attempt to reduce the spread of the illness. There have also been protests among prisoners and prison breaks in multiple countries in response to prisoner anger over their risk of contracting illness in prison conditions. Before the COVID-19 pandemic, health services within prisons had issues providing adequate care for incarcerated people, and this has only been exacerbated by the impacts of COVID-19. Minority groups within the prison system have been disproportionately affected by the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/testingjail.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/correction-detention/faq.html

COVID-19: A Survival Guide for Incarcerated People
http://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/05/05/covid-19-a-survival-guide-for-incarcerated-people