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Topic: Coronavirus - part 2
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Thu 01/21/21 04:37 AM
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/lockdown-england-doesnt-seem-working-19669185

Lockdown in England isn't working shocked

Duttoneer's photo
Thu 01/21/21 06:16 AM







If you believe this situation in UK hospitals is 'Normal' then watch this video.

Recently the BBC were allowed entry to a hospital in London to see the current situation, be warned, it's very grim viewing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55724994

The UK now has the highest number of Coronavirus deaths in Europe in this Pandemic.

According to the UK Office of National Statistics, more people have now died here in this Pandemic from Covid-19 than those killed in 1940/1 in the worst years of the Blitz and the fighting during World War 2, we were not prepared for that either, these are events that you cannot really prepare for in my opinion. We have not experienced these levels of excess deaths since the war.


Not every person who has died during this pandemic has "died of covid" the figures are for every death where a positive test was recorded within 28 days, that means someone could have had a positive test, fully recovered from covid/coronavirus and then died of a heart problem, cancer, tumour etc.

It's why I don't particularly like the figures given out, it has a 98-99% recovery rate, I'd rather focus on that positive aspect rather than a negative death toll that's used to justify the governments actions.

And let's be honest, the BBC are mainstream media, who are happy to only show one aspect to fit an agenda.


You have to produce statistics in some way, my understanding is that to be included in the Covid-19 death figures, Covid-19 must be specified as a cause of death on the 'Death Certificate', OR they have tested Positive witin 28 days of a test which implys Covid-19 as a cause of death.

For complete information on the hows and whys the statistics are prepared see

http://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

"These figures do not include deaths outside hospital, such as those in care homes. This approach makes it possible to compile deaths data on a daily basis using up to date figures."

I cannot agree with you on the BBC reporting, I have found them to be one of the most reliable and unbiasedsources of news media reporting on both the Internet and TV. The BBC is not owned by one of the media moguls, and receives most, if not all of its financing from the licence fees we all have to pay here in the UK. They are not operated by the government and are a completely independent organisation, and completely free of advertisements, recognised throughout the world for their standards in reporting reliable and accurate news reports, in my opinion.


The BBC are still mainstream media, who want to keep in with politicians and the likes, they aren't going to send a camera crew into a normal functioning hospital and show the world what it's really like, if that's what it's really like, of course they're going to run with the common theme.

What I'm trying to say is, that the number of deaths is for any person, regardless of any other condition who have died within 28 days of a positive test, that's not the amount of people who have suddenly contracted covid and died due to it, it's every death, although covid could be on the death certificate, so could any number of conditions, if someone had the flu but died due to cancer, we don't say it's the flu that killed them, but yet we include covid for these statistics, why?


There has to be a reason why we suddenly have very high numbers of excess deaths in the UK population, the highest numbers for nearly 80 years according to our Office of National Statistics. (ONS). What has recently been introduced in to the UK population which has caused this extra ordinary increase in the number of deaths? It is Covid-19. We have not had a sudden massive increase in victims dying from other diseases, if there were, investigations in to the causes would be underway.

Yes, older people do die as a result of more than one illness, and more than one cause of death does appear on the death certificate, but this does NOT change the fact that there has been a very significant increase in the number of excess deaths in the UK population. In my opinion caused by Covid-19, as a direct cause of death or contributing to the cause of death, all as reported in the press releases.

If it isn't Covid-19 killing all these people, in far greater numbers than in past decades, what is it? Doctor's do not put Covid-19 on a death certificate without cause.


The doctors HAVE to put covid on the death certificate IF THEY DIED WITHIN 28 DAYS OF A POSITIVE TEST.

That isn't the same as someone dying of covid, that isn't covid killing them, that means they could have died from a long term or a terminal illness, but unfortunately had a positive covid test, they could have had no symptoms or may not even have been poorly with the coronavirus/covid.

I'm not saying covid doesn't exist or isn't a danger, I'm saying, the death figures aren't 100% deaths due to contracting covid as is being made out.

If I was to be diagnosed with and die from a serious heart failure or brain tumour, but had a positive covid test 3 weeks ago, does that mean covid killed me or does it mean the heart failure or tumour killed me?

It's all a bit ambiguous, but it's what people want to believe that matters I suppose?


Whose to say Covid-19 wasn't a contributing factor in a death by someone testing positive and subsequently dying within 28 days, but in this case it is only for the purposes of recording the daily statistics. The figures may well be less accurate because of the reasons you suggest, but they need a way to produce daily data.

What is beyond doubt, is that a very high number of people have died in the past 12 months, far higher than would normally die in a similar 12 month period, and I believe all those extra deaths are the result of Covid-19.

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Wed 02/03/21 04:37 PM
People who experience Covid- oftentimes endure long-term health consequences called post-viral syndrome.

This Causes fatigue and brain fog.

Dr.Anthony Fauci


healthline.com

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Wed 02/03/21 05:28 PM

People who experience Covid- oftentimes endure long-term health consequences called post-viral syndrome.

This Causes fatigue and brain fog.

Dr.Anthony Fauci


healthline.com
Post viral syndrome is not specific to covid . It can and does happen with other viruses Including Epstein Barr , cytomegalovirus , hepatitis etc .

The difference with covid is the degree of post viral symptoms .. which as you say can include fatigue , shortness of breath and brain fog . There is growing evidence of ongoing cardiac , pulmonary and renal Issues for some recovering patients .

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Fri 02/12/21 01:36 AM
It has seemed a little like waiting for Christmas .. but Covid vaccines due to arrive in New Zealand next week :thumbsup:

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Fri 02/12/21 01:56 AM
Global vaccine update :-)

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124233808/are-vaccines-already-helping-contain-covid19-early-signs-say-yes-but-mutations-will-be-challenging

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Fri 02/19/21 04:10 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž on Fri 02/19/21 04:12 AM
2 German hospitals stop giving the vaccine AstraZeneca/Oxford due to the number of side-effects being too high.

A Dutch GP had a HEALTHY patient die because of the vaccine and he's warned on the radio against it.

This is what I've been waiting for. Let us see the effects of this stuff and hopefully people will wake up.

WHO health authorities have underwritten that the vaccines cannot prevent Covid nor the spread of it, and don't even slow it down.
In other words: it has no use. And lord knows what you can get from it and what it does do.

Various scientists have said last year already that the mRNA based vaccines have a very high risk of causing auto-immune disease and reactions.
This has also happened now, and the New York Times has reported that there is a clear relation between Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and the auto-immune disease ITP, where your own body attacks your white bloodcells. There goes your natural immune system!

Utterly shocking news, but not a surprise. I've been talking about this from the word go.

Source is in Dutch, but I'll give it anyway:
https://www.xandernieuws.net/algemeen/twee-ziekenhuizen-stoppen-met-astrazeneca-vaccin-vanwege-hoog-aantal-bijwerkingen/?fbclid=IwAR0gXzIEHjAsyarxfOZp_jnbSwUcEF0KU_Jx4avIdkkg8Nr73LNjHhJtxv0

Duttoneer's photo
Fri 02/19/21 06:36 AM
Edited by Duttoneer on Fri 02/19/21 06:48 AM

I had my Covid-19 jab on 29.01.2021, the AstraZeneca vaccine, apart from a little tiredness the following day no side effects at all. I listened with interest to a BBC tv news report as the UK passed the 10 million in numbers of vaccinations, that no reports of any significant side effects had yet been reported. The total number of vaccinations included both AstaZeneca and Pfizer vaccinations, which has since increased to over 16 million here in the UK. I am hoping to receive my second jab sometime in April which should then give me very good protection against this dreadful disease. My advice would be to take up the offer of the jab when offered.

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Fri 02/19/21 06:54 AM
I won't be getting vaccinated.

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Fri 02/19/21 11:36 AM

I won't be getting vaccinated.

Good! Best to stay healthy :)

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Fri 02/19/21 11:38 AM


I had my Covid-19 jab on 29.01.2021, the AstraZeneca vaccine, apart from a little tiredness the following day no side effects at all. I listened with interest to a BBC tv news report as the UK passed the 10 million in numbers of vaccinations, that no reports of any significant side effects had yet been reported. The total number of vaccinations included both AstaZeneca and Pfizer vaccinations, which has since increased to over 16 million here in the UK. I am hoping to receive my second jab sometime in April which should then give me very good protection against this dreadful disease. My advice would be to take up the offer of the jab when offered.

Not entirely true. In the UK things have happened. It was given to a nr of pregnant women and 8 lost their baby. Some got paralysed, blind, and for some this is permanent.
People have died as well.

But whatever. Some don't want to open their eyes. Their choice.
I just help post info so people can and will make an informed decision. The ones who choose to not do that, well... their choice.

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Fri 02/19/21 12:44 PM
Over 193 million people vaccinated globally so far .. good beginning .

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Fri 02/19/21 01:58 PM
Edited by Duttoneer on Fri 02/19/21 02:00 PM



I had my Covid-19 jab on 29.01.2021, the AstraZeneca vaccine, apart from a little tiredness the following day no side effects at all. I listened with interest to a BBC tv news report as the UK passed the 10 million in numbers of vaccinations, that no reports of any significant side effects had yet been reported. The total number of vaccinations included both AstaZeneca and Pfizer vaccinations, which has since increased to over 16 million here in the UK. I am hoping to receive my second jab sometime in April which should then give me very good protection against this dreadful disease. My advice would be to take up the offer of the jab when offered.

Not entirely true. In the UK things have happened. It was given to a nr of pregnant women and 8 lost their baby. Some got paralysed, blind, and for some this is permanent.
People have died as well.

But whatever. Some don't want to open their eyes. Their choice.
I just help post info so people can and will make an informed decision. The ones who choose to not do that, well... their choice.


Study reveals extent of Covid vaccine side-effects


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55932832

Toodygirl5's photo
Sun 02/21/21 01:35 PM
Reading above side effects!

Those results sound terrible.

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Sun 02/21/21 01:54 PM

Reading above side effects!

Those results sound terrible.
what side effects are concerning toody .. most are generalised and applicable to vaccinations in general . Haven’t you ever had a vaccination before ? If so what prompted you to overlook the side effects ???

Toodygirl5's photo
Sun 02/21/21 03:39 PM


Reading above side effects!

Those results sound terrible.
what side effects are concerning toody .. most are generalised and applicable to vaccinations in general . Haven’t you ever had a vaccination before ? If so what prompted you to overlook the side effects ???



I'm referring to the comments made on this page! Did you Overlook them!!


Bart's photo
Sun 02/21/21 03:39 PM

2 German hospitals stop giving the vaccine AstraZeneca/Oxford due to the number of side-effects being too high.

A Dutch GP had a HEALTHY patient die because of the vaccine and he's warned on the radio against it.

This is what I've been waiting for. Let us see the effects of this stuff and hopefully people will wake up.

WHO health authorities have underwritten that the vaccines cannot prevent Covid nor the spread of it, and don't even slow it down.
In other words: it has no use. And lord knows what you can get from it and what it does do.

Various scientists have said last year already that the mRNA based vaccines have a very high risk of causing auto-immune disease and reactions.
This has also happened now, and the New York Times has reported that there is a clear relation between Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and the auto-immune disease ITP, where your own body attacks your white bloodcells. There goes your natural immune system!

Utterly shocking news, but not a surprise. I've been talking about this from the word go.

Source is in Dutch, but I'll give it anyway:
https://www.xandernieuws.net/algemeen/twee-ziekenhuizen-stoppen-met-astrazeneca-vaccin-vanwege-hoog-aantal-bijwerkingen/?fbclid=IwAR0gXzIEHjAsyarxfOZp_jnbSwUcEF0KU_Jx4avIdkkg8Nr73LNjHhJtxv0

That is a whole lot of info, should make everyone skeptical. Now they say the one vaccine does not have to be kept at subfreezing temps... From the get go there has been misinformation , false reporting , overstating, and under estimating. From the CDC, W.H.O. , scientists, Doctors, politicians and the media. All were wrong at one point or another on how to battle this virus than had to change their tactics . Now we have what they say is a vaccine that works and more on the way. It should only be taken by those that choose to take it . Not mandatory!.. But I will not discourage it as being unreliable or even making people sick. Although I think every statistic should be available for everyone to exam I also think this so far is the best hope we may have to at the very best control it’s spread. Until more info comes in I’m all for any vaccine that will give people a piece of mind.

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Mon 02/22/21 01:35 AM
Edited by Duttoneer on Mon 02/22/21 01:51 AM


2 German hospitals stop giving the vaccine AstraZeneca/Oxford due to the number of side-effects being too high.

A Dutch GP had a HEALTHY patient die because of the vaccine and he's warned on the radio against it.

This is what I've been waiting for. Let us see the effects of this stuff and hopefully people will wake up.

WHO health authorities have underwritten that the vaccines cannot prevent Covid nor the spread of it, and don't even slow it down.
In other words: it has no use. And lord knows what you can get from it and what it does do.

Various scientists have said last year already that the mRNA based vaccines have a very high risk of causing auto-immune disease and reactions.
This has also happened now, and the New York Times has reported that there is a clear relation between Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and the auto-immune disease ITP, where your own body attacks your white bloodcells. There goes your natural immune system!

Utterly shocking news, but not a surprise. I've been talking about this from the word go.

Source is in Dutch, but I'll give it anyway:
https://www.xandernieuws.net/algemeen/twee-ziekenhuizen-stoppen-met-astrazeneca-vaccin-vanwege-hoog-aantal-bijwerkingen/?fbclid=IwAR0gXzIEHjAsyarxfOZp_jnbSwUcEF0KU_Jx4avIdkkg8Nr73LNjHhJtxv0

That is a whole lot of info, should make everyone skeptical. Now they say the one vaccine does not have to be kept at subfreezing temps... From the get go there has been misinformation , false reporting , overstating, and under estimating. From the CDC, W.H.O. , scientists, Doctors, politicians and the media. All were wrong at one point or another on how to battle this virus than had to change their tactics . Now we have what they say is a vaccine that works and more on the way. It should only be taken by those that choose to take it . Not mandatory!.. But I will not discourage it as being unreliable or even making people sick. Although I think every statistic should be available for everyone to exam I also think this so far is the best hope we may have to at the very best control it’s spread. Until more info comes in I’m all for any vaccine that will give people a piece of mind.


You will find information here regarding the vaccines used in the UK, and you should be able to find information regarding vaccines used within your own health systems in the USA through Google.

National Health Service (NHS) in England.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/?utm_campaign=coronavirus_grants&utm_medium=paid_searchl&utm_source=google&utm_content=keyword&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzKaDmZP97gIVDNTtCh3JMQYJEAAYAyAAEgJeffD_BwE

Page last reviewed: 18 February 2021
Next review due: 4 March 2021

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Mon 02/22/21 02:18 AM
I was going to wait before making a decision to get the vaccine. But, with my recent decision to return to seasonal work and travel, I will be getting the vaccine when I become eligible. I'll be in contact with a more diverse population as I travel from State to State, and once I arrive at my destination. I feel it would be irresponsible of me not to get it, to myself, as well as those I'm in contact with.

I'll let you all know if I suffer any side effects. From what I've read so far, for the most part, they are not much different than the generalized side effects one gets from a first time flu shot. I suffered side effects with my first flu shot, but not with any of the flu shots I received after that.

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Mon 02/22/21 02:25 AM
I have an appointment next week for my COVID vaccination. I will be keeping the appointment.

My mother had hers last month and she had no side effects whatsoever not even a sore arm at the injection site. She is 85 years old.

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