Anti-gun theme: "I'm so thankful for my freedom that I refuse to defend it."

‘Gun control’ has had a long history:-

“The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in
their possession any swords, bows, spears, firearms, or other type of
arms. The possession of these elements makes difficult the collection of
taxes and dues and tends to permit uprising, therefore, the heads of the
provinces, official agents, and deputies are ordered to collect all
weapons mentioned above and turn them over to the government.”

Toyotomi Hideyshi, Shogun, August 29, 1558

K,

I have always believed in training. I have received training in weapon handling as well. I know a bullet can kill innocent people if I do not use good judgement and prudence especially trying to maintain in a bad situation. Just becasue you can put a shot into somebody does not mean you will not hit someone directly behind them. Even hunting there have been times I had that perfect shot except for a effing house or barn behind the damn deer or a effing herd of sheep or some damn crap. Knowing when NOT to shoot is just as important as knowing HOW to shoot.

Schools, courthouses, BARS, social events like concerts, guns are wholly not necessary. These locations should have their own armed security just the same but with that aside if you posses a legitimate and up to date carry concealed card you can carry anywhere you want including these locations. There is an assumption that the person carrying under such a permit has again been trained and likewise taught the legalities of carrying a weapon as well as common sense like YOU DO NOT BRAG YOU GOT A DAMN GUN!

Now as far as kids getting their hands on guns, outside of illegal sources IF A PARENT IS THAT IRRESPONSIBLE THEY NEED TO GO TO CLASS FOR A WAKE UP CALL IN HOW TO KEEP YOUR KIDS FROM GETTING TO THEM! If I found out it was one of my kids bringing a gun to school, better have an outstanding reason to prevent me from applying the pimp hand liberally! If it was not out of a real fear of something for real ie. showboating I actually do condone a good stiff beating applied to that child! Please do not feed me the Dr. Spock crap. First of all taking a gun of mine without permission? I would be thankful for not having a sinal hemorrhage for an act of such utter stupidity in my location! Now if my kid were indeed afraid someone or a group of someone's were outside of school and actually showing a credible threat to my kid, well, that school is about to meet a bunch of attorneys for one! Then the police get a total ear full. And dad then regulates that threat if the cops act like they can't. Carried by six or judged by 12? I would resent having to carry my child in a casket becasue I trusted the police to pretend they can protect us from anything. If they were able to end the threat though? Cheers to the cops for a change! But if I was a responsible parent and taught my children right I would not have to worry about that, should I? Why should I teach my children to live in fear of anything? Ya know, I know parents who own several long and short arms and they are kept in safes and have gun locks on them. I have even installed a safe or two. But all of them make their kids handle the guns, they go shooting together, and the kids know the realities of what a gun is and what it is for! So you make it sound like ALL CHILDREN GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO PISS OF THEIR PARENTS AND SHOW OFF TO THEIR FRIENDS! Dare I say how fallacious that statement really is?

Now if we were living in Bear country, Alaska, my kids would not be allowed out doors without an armed escort. Over 12 they get to carry a gun! But not to school UNLESS FOR SOME UNGODLY REASON THEY HAVE TO GO ALONE! But I would want them to check it in at school and check it out when they come home. Why? Bears like to eat us! Ask an Alaskan sometime about how cuddly the bears there are! There are places you do not go outdoors unarmed PERIOD!

Now saying I have cited an argument for gun control. Nice try... I am more for PHARMACEUTICAL CONTROL! I am for NOT FOR PROFIT INSURANCE AND MEDICINE! I also feel people do have a responsibility to learn to defend themselves and learn gun safety even if they chose not to own one! I believe education can help a lot. But you always have that one Homer Simpson out there screwing everything up. Those are the kinds of shyteheads you have to put a gun to their head and disarm for everyone else's safety when they discover they can turn a TV on and off with it! Frankly they are dangerous behind the wheels of cars, operating heavy machinery, and even trying to open a bag of potato chips!

But here is a dilemma we all have to live with. Our rights are not revokable until we infringe upon the health and safety of others. With that in mind what has been done for the purveyors of dangerous untested drugs dumped into the main stream only to discover the list of bad effects later? What of those entrusted with the public safety and trust who violate that from police officers to politicians?

Now with all this in mind, I AM A GUN OWNER. I do not go everywhere with one. There are times I will carry. I never go into the wilds alone and unarmed at all! I have told a park ranger before I would be dead before I would be disarmed and meant it. Likewise if the need came up and I was facing intrusion you better believe I am going to kill someone, gun, knife or otherwise! I can't shoot them in the back. They never said anything about stabbing them in the back though! If some jerk was bumping his gums with a gun in his hand in the street about how he is going to 1-8-7 me I more than likely would smoke that fucq rather than wait for the police to arrive after the shooting started. If someone brandished a gun on me on the freeway I would drive them into a major pile up or into a pole. My truck can be a weapon too.

Now KNIFE OR SWORD! I have beaten a cop up with the law before becasue of an incident where I was carrying a machete slung on my back riding my bike. I was clearing some savage brush from a back yard. I also had no car so to get to the job I had to ride my bike. That day all I had to do was clear the big weeds. A real no brainer. Use a big blade, chop them down. Pile them up for bagging the next day. Go home. But on the way home. I got pulled over. Then the argument began, sword or knife. Oh, and that whole "Keep your hands on my car," crap. Now here we go, A Gladiolus is a sword and classically the blade length is shorter than 18 inches. It is double edged. A Machete is 20 inches long and has a single edge. It is also considered a GARDEN IMPLEMENT! Said police officer got to see me wave buy buy to him with a 20 inch long blade strapped to my back! So really in all legality I can openly carry a machete. But it is ungainly. Not bad for a knife. Crocodile Dundee would whip out his blade and say, "This is a knife," and I would take out two blades. One short one and a machete. I would likewise say, "The paint brush does not make the artist but when size counts," I would hold up the Machete and say, "Mate, if you measure a man by the size of his knife this is a REAL knife!" And let him appreciate the simple clean lines of a sharpened piece of steel three times bigger than his. But the whole thing is I would prefer to have the smaller blade. Opening envelopes is so much easier with a knife than a key for one! And those stubborn bags of what ever that threaten to shower you in whatever they hold from bursting? NOW FOR CONCEALED CARRY KNIFE LAWS. Here in California the blade has to be under 4 inches. My personal favorite to fight with was two inches long. But with this aside the takes of the wild west were all BULLSHYTE! Only two places were lawless territories for a brief period of time, The New Mexico and Arizona territories! Even then there were rules of conduct in most towns. For instance if we were living in the late 1800s back in that day when I came riding into town I had to check in with the Sheriff's or Marshall's office and check in my iron. I would state my business and would receive a brass 'check in tag' to get my weapons back when I leave. Most of the times cowboys were met as they came into town by the Sheriff and he would make them check in their iron! It was that or spend the night out doors!

Don't take this wrong but I am not about to stand there and let some gorilla twice my size man handle me. I would just assume shoot the bastard if I want to get it over quick. Otherwise I will find another equalizer and saw down a giant. Knife, pipe, rock, spitting in the man's eye before driving my fingers into his face holes and grabbing him like a bowling ball and driving him into oblivion by aiming every punch into the same spot in the side of his head until he is limp and cold, I don't care. I have learned to come in peace and to try and be respectful of others. But I am prepared to make war if I have to. There are BAD people out there who don't care about rules. They don't give a FUCQ about anyone other than themselves. And some of them just want to destroy everything around them. You cannot negotiate with them. If they get the advantage on you they will take it! And a gun is only a means to an end. It is one of the few things that makes all men equal in the end.

There are friends of mine who are trained fighters. I would LOATH to have to fight them bare handed for real. Screwing around play sparring where we are not tossing the real blows at each other is one thing. I am talking men who hit like tanks and have a pain threshold that exceeds mine. I just can shut my pain off (but I pay for that later!) but these are guys who just cannot feel pain normally. If I had to face them knowing I was going to get into it with them I would be doing so from behind a gun and a blade. I am not going to walk into my death. There is no place for Honor in a life or death situation.

People are less likely to act on someone when they know that they will not only get rat packed but likewise they are a lot less likely to act when they know there is a chance they screw with someone half their size they may get killed. Don't think every little person can be a Bruce Lee. He damn near trained from birth and Martial Arts is a calling not a lot of people can answer to. I feel better knowing my mom carries a gun for her protection! My mom is actually a lot saner than I am. But just becasue I am a black sheep doesn't mean I personally am going to just arbitrarily go walking down the street with a gun to make me feel safer. A gun does not make me feel like a bigger or better man. It is a survival tool! In a sane society in armed person would not raise any concern. A person waving a weapon around or in hand though would raise concern. And in a sane world people would politely ask that person what their trip was. If they decided to get weird the police can come clean up after the festivities! If it was just some poor bastard having a bad day then maybe he can be talked down and everyone can breath easier!

In OLD Japan (Pre Meji Era) just becasue you walked upon a Samurai did not mean he was going to just pull a sword and hack into you. There were codes of behavior with a weapon. Now Bandits on the other hand here not hesitant. But if you were unarmed and bandits were robbing you and a Samurai happened by, chances were he would help. They were honor bound to in most cases except for Ronin without land or masters. Even then when they were not traveling in their towns they were barely armed.

Now back to the heart of man. take my gun so they can take up a pipe and use a strength and size advantage on me? please my friend, what backwards world do you live in?

It is tools that make men equal. And Samuel Colt's tool worked real good at that!

Convenient that you forget people used to carry swords instead all the way into the late 1800s. Just becasue there was no such thing as "gun violence" before there were guns does not discount the fact violence occurs with or without guns. And when do you think the first guns were used? Think Ancient China. Strange they had gunpowder but it was Europeans who really ran with the Idea followed by the Ottomans! Now cannon predate Guns. How about cannon based mischief?

I agree there are places guns do not belong. Any REASONABLE OR SANE person understands this.

But to have a concealed carry permit trumps that standard. One must be trained and they don't have to tell anyone they are carrying. A responsible individual does not wave a gun around like it were a four to eight inch extension of their penis (if not a penis substitute)!

Now about the law. We have 2200 laws and just have to add more. How many more restrictions will we place before we restrict ownership completely? Where is the line drawn?

I have to say unless we can change the human heart from the top down all the laws in the world and beyond will mean nothing. And as things are we seem to operate by a hypocritical double standard.

It is so easy to blame a tool, not the wielder.

We will get back to the nuke and law enforcement arguments.

Right now I would like to focus on the assumption that gun control has a direct correlation to gun violence...

so,you think Government would use Nukes in a Civil War?
Kind of cutting off their Noses to spite their Faces,wouldn't it?

Just saying, power and trust do not mix!

This has been discussed before. Our own government knows better. First of all the assassination attempts on our leadership would never end.

To use a nuke on our own is completely inconceivable. Not from the stand point of "It could never happen" to the fact that anyone with the BALLS to do that to their own country would be damned in a way they would have to face their own demise on a daily basis. There would not be a world power outside of the US that would hesitate to see the threat for what it was. Can you say, "MORE INCOMING?"

You need people alive to scare them. They are not scared dead. Likewise who else are you going to use to build and empire?

America was supposed to be based on Ideals career politicians get wrong and mealy mouthed liberals take for granted. Gun control is more about THEIR personal safety vs. OUR personal safety!

Just becasue they think I would be safer does not mean I share their belief. And trusting our leadership 100%? Well, Monsanto so far has not put wings on pigs yet!

I think a lake of fire would be FAR more preferable to the void of space! At least you wouldn't FREEZE solid in a lake of fire. Not to mention just being somewhere that is basically oblivion. An eternity of NOTHING! That would be worst than a lake of fire.

If a lake of fire is all God has to threaten me with god isn't too smart!

Alrighty then, let us say hypothetically I was exposed to something that gave me fantastic powers, one of them being I can set off fantastically huge blasts at will with the equivalent force of 5 megatons from my person and far greater if infuriated. Now lets say in the course of figuring out just how powerful I can be I set off into the desert at the test grounds where nukes were let off before and let off a 6 megaton blast becasue I felt good that morning. And then proceed to dig a real deep hole in the ground letting off multiple blasts one after the other until every satellite, earthquake monitoring station, and natural disaster specialist are freaking out at a volcanic eruption potentially where it does not belong. Now the military will be all over that like stink gravy on a pile of poop!

Now s a what if, what of my rights possessing that power especially when I make it clear I am not for hire and I want and demand to be left alone? I think the military would not take the warning well the first time and not gt the hint. NOW Upon returning home after learning just how big of a blast I can unleash I get hit with a law suit charging that I am a dangerous weapon and need to register myself.

Well, here is how I see it. I personally would not want to be the bastard known for just setting a nuke off and killing thousands if not millions of people for a dumb reason! I do have reason to question the other guy having that kind of power. Would he show any restraint? I know I would be SOOOOOO tempted at times just to walk into a crowd of demonstrators and go off just because the demonstration was a bunch of dumb retards demanding something stupid from society! Or better yet, got some cop trying to give me a ticket and vaporizing his car or cop bike and giving him the look that says leave or perish.

Well a gun does not grant that kind of power. But in all reality a Fuel Air Bomb can be JUST as devastating. It has the nickname POOR MAN'S NUKE. And knot head with basic chemistry skills can set one up. Any building can be made into a huge Claymore mine. We have that kind of power at our fingertips but people are not running around handing people's ***** on a day to day basis with bombs.

Like anything this is a matter of personal responsibility! Not taking guns away! Liberals like to think in terms of WHAT IF and ignore the WHAT REALLY IS!

Now if I did wake up tomorrow with fantastic powers I assure you, I would take over. I would take over with no hesitation becasue I cannot stand the way things are run now. And hide behind an army? I think showing up in S Korea and marching alone across the DMZ and handing the entire N Korean military their azzes would let the rest of the world in on the fact there is a NEW GOD IN TOWN!


BRING ME VIRGINS!

Think about it!

Still not sure what you meant about the nukes, and war as it would be easier to send nukes then ground troops in either confrontation... But we can move on from that. (The fault may be of my own)

Either way, there are two very big assumptions you seem to make with your statements. #1 being that law enforcement are all responsible people, have never done, and will never do any harm to the populace (despite the fact that they came from the same population). #2 That gun laws have a direct correlation to gun violence.

To Quote number 1. Both sides having nukes are irrelevant to the statement you made of "Why send in troops when you can just drop a nuke?". Only because we did send in troops, and did not drop a nuke. This also where the assumption of guns being obsolete gets knocked down a peg or two in my opinion. If they were truly obsolete wouldn't our law enforcement, military, and secret service have turned them over long ago?

And concerning quote number 2. How did we reach that conclusion? Statistically gun control has never had any control over gun-related crime. Not in the U.S. anyhow. So who are we protecting? And to revert back to the previous Thomas Jefferson quote; If we (the people in our society) are not fit to look after ourselves, then how can we (law enforcement members chosen from the same society) look after others (again meaning people from our society)? Or are the enforcers of these new laws "for our protection" going to come from elsewhere?

I do see a point in what you are saying. No weapon in the world can compare to the power of a nuke. Yet, we have had many, many wars since world war 2, on many different fronts. Nukes were used in none of these.

I have a question... Assuming that you are talking about the gun laws being proposed, How would they influencing society into being any more responsible?

and Government,ie other Men are qualified to tell others what Weapons they are allowed to own ?

I agree with the notion of providing mental health care completely. This is where the whole debate needs to focus, in my opinion. This would theoretically separate who you are calling "irresponsible" citizens from the "responsible" ones. A means of directing the energy to the source of our violence instead of casting blanket policies that limit that power and rights of the public as a whole.

However where i disagree is with the need for new gun control measures, as the measures already in place would potentially prevent a mentally dysfunctional person from obtaining said firearms (from legal means). For instance; the background check given to anyone buying a new firearm already checks for things like restraining orders, violent histories, and previous felony charges. It is still any medical professional's responsibility to report any statement made by a client (or anyone by the matter) that would lead him/her to believe this person intends to do harm. This is then made accessible to any law enforcement agency. Maybe an awareness campaign to enforce rules in place?

There are always back doors to obtaining these firearms, whether by theft, or by borrowing them friend friends/relatives. This is difficult to regulate without taking away from those who are "responsible" as well. Even then, there is no indication, or information that can support the hypothesis that new restrictions would even help achieve that goal. Under those realizations i cannot condone (or even understand) any further restriction on the general populace.

I was just wondering how many people have or would think about dating someone that they work with?

you're really not making any sense!

nukes, with rare exceptions are not Guns.