What a great bunch of information....but its just you talking...provide SOME thing that demonstrates what youre saying, otherwise, the world is flat and the moon is made of cheese days are back.

The trend started by Obama, and the numbers as a trend was the same in 2015-2016.
Nothing to do with Trump himself.
Just a development continuing after a man that took over a totally destroyed world but was able to correct it, and get it back on track.

Taking the credit for the upswing made by another genious is just saad.
But isn't that a typical.... Lol.

did you use the link? if not, it was Trump's chief economic adviser Gary Cohn at a at a gathering of CEO's hosted by the Wall Street Journal prior to the tax cut being voted on.
Prior.
If you look at Cohn's body language simply as the host asked the question, he is, to me, visibly uncomfortable, as if he already knows the answer the crowd of CEO's will give.
At any rate, the behavior planned by CEO's was available.

I think that may be construed as arrogance rather than introducing productive discussion.
(someone disagreed with your payrate comments and someone even provided a link disputing its value. 'lol' doesnt quite cut it in defending a position.)
The hope of the political forum is that people can have mature, informative discussions. I dont think its purpose is to prove that some people will find something wrong with everything.
Does that even need to be explored?
Wouldnt it be more useful to defend your own point with actual information?
If you havent got access to a computer, maybe wait til you do, before trying to guide an honest, informative, mature discussion...

-OR-

respect the opinions of others when unable to research their stance yourself. Wait til you have time to research those points of view.

I for one, am grateful for your posts. I get a great deal of education from them just learning about other perspectives, and looking things up to see what I think about whatever the topic relates to.
Very cool.
Just not excited about the erosion of information this forum sometimes generates.

This will always be true:
Some of us will hold personal love for the incumbent.
Some of us will hold personal hate for the incumbent.
Some of us will sit and lurk and watch and take notes to fool those who are too far to either side.
Some of us will have no idear, and will burn up the internet search engines to try to figure it out.
Some of us will be 'yes-men' to certain other posters.
Most of us are in between all of that.

charts? what charts?

I saw interviews with CEO's...I think it was 20/20 or 48 hours where they had like 10 people comment on something in the news and in this case it was CEO's in the chairs commenting on what they would do. None of them would use the money for their employees for wages.

This isnt what I saw but it sure is compelling and it was before the bill went thru.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/15/gary-cohn-looks-for-assurances-from-ceos-on-tax-plan-gets-crickets.html

Oh, and as a postscript to my last posting:

If the last months of Obama's presidency showed that we were heading for recession, the resulting recession, even though it happened during Trump's presidency, could not be blamed on Trump. It is the way it goes.

For example, some Dems say that there were TWO Bush recessions, one the beginning of his term, one near the end. That is not a valid statement. The market was cooling after the dot-com bubble burst, and a lot of money was taken off the table, by many means. Mostly it was people who didn't understand the market, and who should not have been in the market, buying stocks they disn't research because of "Fear of missing out" Clinton's previous Laziez faire (somebody correct my spelling) approach to the market during the bulk of his term was not a correct approach at the end. Lots of things like e-trading were also new, so it was a bit of uncharted water.

In any case, W inherited a tough economy which was not his doing. The "second" recession of his 8 years was all his, however.

He can make predictions based on the past behavior, which is what I heard before it went into effect. Based on that information, yes, I predicted it. I doubt I had more information than Trump. You think he was lied to about what exactly?

I thought Trump was well schooled in business. Isnt that what he was praised for? Are you saying Trump was duped by the CEO's....that he didnt know this is exactly what would happen? Isnt this exactly what people predicted would happen?

From what Ive read, the lower income workers are a large part of that increase since the minimum wage increase was mandated. For the middle, not much going on there.

Growth is growth and Im hoping that even the little increases will make a difference without inflation snapping at our heels.

Hopefully, we will have more transparency in the healthcare industry so that competition will create a functional marketplace.

Not 4 years, but 8.
Hopefully this upward trend in job growth will eventually lead to increased wages, but so far, not so much.

In addition, it seems that not enough of us are qualified for the jobs that are becoming available. That leads me to wonder about how accessible education is for everyone, since IT is continuing to be important.

Excellent point "Bluegrass". And dont forget to mention the fact that trump is dismantling safety measures that protect workers

Since its been trending in that direction since 2014 you shoul be saying THANKS OBAMA !

Stephen Hawking was an atheist, and believed that "the universe is governed by the laws of science". He stated: "There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority, [and] science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works." In an interview published in The Guardian, Hawking regarded "the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail", and the concept of an afterlife as a "fairy story for people afraid of the dark". Can anyone remember what life was like before they were born? I think not.

Follow me on this. I know it is tough for you, but:

1) NOBODY bashed Trump on this original response.
2) Obama is not doing anything unique, even though your subject title implies it.
3) If I start a topic, you are encouraged to join it, that is what this forum is about. Like I say, I truly enjoy your "arguments".
4) I would expect you to bring up Obama or Hillary in any thread when you interjected, because you have demonstrated you can't argue on point.

Clear Skippy?

Video- Johnny Cashless Sings, "Obama's Prison Blues"
Impeach Obama Campaign
https://youtu.be/8n8K5b3gFvI

To mightymoe

Your quote: ....."it only exists because I can see it" thoughts...

You might agree with everything I've said, (or plaguerized, if you prefer - but I don't enjoy flattery!), if we bracketed the words "as far as I am concerned" after everything.

Excellent. It's the perfect solution. Existence is - AS FAR AS IT IS CONCERNED.

Your quote: "it existed long before humans we're ever around, we just didn't know about it..."

One can speculate endlessly, and extemporize infinitely, but there is no proof of anything without a prover.

Try this - "BIRGUY74"

Some day, you won't be around. You can speculate that there will be SOMEONE around, (or something); but one can't claim to PROVE this without oneself being around to do so.

Quote: My 'word-tool', (the ‘human grunt-offspring’), identifies the object.......

Unless something/one is around to identify the claimed-to-be-in-existence object, how can it BE?

Quote: ...in order for anything to 'happen' it must be identifiably perceivable: how else can 'happening' be happening?!

Big Bang????? Hmmmm is that how the universe was created? What caused that one tiny atom to exist in the first place???? How can something be created from nothing?????? Ultimately the answer God. Science refuses to acknowledge that but the two go hand in hand.

as an undercover alien i can tell you that the big bang is nothing but a theory . it's 2018 bru
i'll just give you a little clue why there is males and females? if the big bang was real how did the first creatures on earth split into two different genders ?

I stated a simple fact that it is NORMAL for ALL ex-presidents to earn money on the speaking circuit. This deflated your Obama bash to just another news flash similar to "the sun came up this morning", and you got butthurt.

Oh, and I KNOW anyone can post in any thread... but truly, I do enjoy when you reply to things. Please do not stop posting, I sincerely get a kick out of your logic.