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Let's put aside for a moment the issue of whether or not God actually exists....
I have read your posts claiming God does not exist...and that those who believe He does...are somehow deluded and lower-thinking than yourself. So I'm curious about something... If God doesn't exist, then why have you felt the need to devote your forum posts to convincing yourself and others that He doesn't? If He did not exist beyond all reasonable doubt, then why are we even bothering to talk about Him? You don't really see any threads devoted to disproving the exsistence of the Tooth Fairy, do you? Why? Because belief in the Tooth Fairy (beyond childhood)is such a ridiculous idea and there is no possible existence of the Tooth Fairy warranting of the effort to disprove. If the idea of God is so ridiculous, as you believe, then why go to the trouble of posting all these "God doesn't exist and you're stupid if you believe in Him" threads? Is it God, Himself that you do not want to believe exists? Or is it the belief that others have in God that bothers you, because you see belief in God on the same level as belief in the Tooth Fairy? Or is it perhaps some of the Christians, themselves which have somehow angered you with their bad behavior? Still....I can't help but wonder why you would devote so much of your time and effort in this pursuit..... Just curious..... |
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People waste too much efforts on the unseen!
What if there is a God and she is pissed off at US????? The again what if this was god??? 
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People waste too much efforts on the unseen! What if there is a God and she is pissed off at US????? The again what if this was god???  That's cute. But my question is why does it bother you? If indeed, it does. |
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Let's put aside for a moment the issue of whether or not God actually exists.... I have read your posts claiming God does not exist...and that those who believe He does...are somehow deluded and lower-thinking than yourself. So I'm curious about something... If God doesn't exist, then why have you felt the need to devote your forum posts to convincing yourself and others that He doesn't? If He did not exist beyond all reasonable doubt, then why are we even bothering to talk about Him? You don't really see any threads devoted to disproving the exsistence of the Tooth Fairy, do you? Why? Because belief in the Tooth Fairy (beyond childhood)is such a ridiculous idea and there is no possible existence of the Tooth Fairy warranting of the effort to disprove. If the idea of God is so ridiculous, as you believe, then why go to the trouble of posting all these "God doesn't exist and you're stupid if you believe in Him" threads? Is it God, Himself that you do not want to believe exists? Or is it the belief that others have in God that bothers you, because you see belief in God on the same level as belief in the Tooth Fairy? Or is it perhaps some of the Christians, themselves which have somehow angered you with their bad behavior? Still....I can't help but wonder why you would devote so much of your time and effort in this pursuit..... Just curious..... I agree, but I guess I believe in a live and let live philosophy. Makes no difference to me what other people believe, their lives are not my responsiblity. As long as no one is hurting anyone, what difference does it make. Who's right, who's wrong, we'll all find out when we're dead. 
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Let's put aside for a moment the issue of whether or not God actually exists.... I have read your posts claiming God does not exist...and that those who believe He does...are somehow deluded and lower-thinking than yourself. So I'm curious about something... If God doesn't exist, then why have you felt the need to devote your forum posts to convincing yourself and others that He doesn't? If He did not exist beyond all reasonable doubt, then why are we even bothering to talk about Him? You don't really see any threads devoted to disproving the exsistence of the Tooth Fairy, do you? Why? Because belief in the Tooth Fairy (beyond childhood)is such a ridiculous idea and there is no possible existence of the Tooth Fairy warranting of the effort to disprove. If the idea of God is so ridiculous, as you believe, then why go to the trouble of posting all these "God doesn't exist and you're stupid if you believe in Him" threads? Is it God, Himself that you do not want to believe exists? Or is it the belief that others have in God that bothers you, because you see belief in God on the same level as belief in the Tooth Fairy? Or is it perhaps some of the Christians, themselves which have somehow angered you with their bad behavior? Still....I can't help but wonder why you would devote so much of your time and effort in this pursuit..... Just curious..... I would turn that question around and ask you if you believe so deeply that god does exist why do you need to prove it to others. Is perhaps that you feel a certain amount of guilt over some sin or are you dutifully depositing in anticipation of divine dividends? Quip pro quo? I post for the fun of the debate and self expression. Am I not allowed to post about my beliefs because I don't subscribe to any religion? That seems to be the tone I am picking up from your question. I am not interested if anyone ceases to believe because of my writings and not a preacher for atheism or agnosticism. I can't speak for anyone else though. |
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People waste too much efforts on the unseen! What if there is a God and she is pissed off at US????? The again what if this was god??? That would be an awesome god.  
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I'm on the fence. I would like to think there is a god but when I read about a little 6 year old gettng raped then I wonder. Or a man freezing to death because he hadn't paid his light bill. Or the parents of a kidnapped baby that will never be returned. That pain is unimaginable and I see no reason for it. Because I question this some Christians would say "Never question gods work" Well then why did he give me the abilty to be curious?
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I would turn that question around and ask you if you believe so deeply that god does exist why do you need to prove it to others. Is perhaps that you feel a certain amount of guilt over some sin or are you dutifully depositing in anticipation of divine dividends? Quip pro quo? I post for the fun of the debate and self expression. Am I not allowed to post about my beliefs because I don't subscribe to any religion? That seems to be the tone I am picking up from your question. I am not interested if anyone ceases to believe because of my writings and not a preacher for atheism or agnosticism. I can't speak for anyone else though. Ok....well.... I don't feel the need to prove God's existence to others. If you look through my posts, you'll see that. I never said anyone couldn't or shouldn't post about their beliefs, regardless of what they are. If you look through my posts, you'll see that. The only problem I've EVER had with other member's posts in these forums is in the ridicule toward and contempt for people who believe in God... in which these posts are delivered. So I was simply curious as to why some might feel so strongly in that regard that they would put so much time and effort into posting so many of these types of threads.... |
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when people have weak arguments or just a miserable person....they like to bash people to lift themselves up. goes for all sides and it's not right either way.
I don't see why anyone should be offended because someone else doesn't believe what they do. I personally like differences. I enjoy learning about others |
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I'm on the fence. I would like to think there is a god but when I read about a little 6 year old gettng raped then I wonder. Or a man freezing to death because he hadn't paid his light bill. Or the parents of a kidnapped baby that will never be returned. That pain is unimaginable and I see no reason for it. Because I question this some Christians would say "Never question gods work" Well then why did he give me the abilty to be curious? Yep. That is certain a big issue that people have with God. But that's a whole different subject for discussion....the whole question of why God would allow these things to occur. That, among other things, is something I really want to know....but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Edited by
smiless
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Tue 02/17/09 09:45 AM
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Some absolutely believe there is no god and want to preach it to as many people as they can just like how those who absolutely believe in Christianity and want to share its knowledge as facts.
Then you have some who are not comfortable as atheists and lean towards agnosticsm, which you know means "uncertain". so they spend alot of time trying to figure out what clinges true to themselves. For many atheists it is difficult for they are confronted with religious or spiritual folks throughout the year. One just has to walk around the corner and a church appears, one just looks at people and they do a cross signal with their hands or wear necklaces of the cross or half moon if muslim, etc. etc. Or one goes out and sees some pray at a park in groups before playing a game of soccer or football. Magazines and books are filled with spiritual and religion articles, so these atheist live a life primarily around (in their minds superstitious) belief systems and feel obligated in trying to teach people that they are worshipping a delusion, superstition, or illusion. So in the end as much as a religious person prosteylizes there will also be nonbelievers who will give their opinions as well. Is it right or wrong to do this. Well everyone has a different opinion on this. Some find it important as a atheist (perhaps a humantarian need) to educate what they believe is essential on what to believe or not as others accept that others can believe in whatever they want. It is a matter of opinion with a neverending debate on what is right and wrong for each individual. In the end what matters is whatever you believe in makes you happy and live a life with full potentials. I personally prefer to keep a open mind and learn different idealogies to stay happy. Everyone is different in the end. Remember what is wrong for you may be correct for others. What is correct for you may be wrong for others. The world with 6.6 billions and rising each have different idealogies of how life should be lived and what to believe in. |
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Great thoughts, smiless...
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Some absolutely believe there is no god and want to preach it to as many people as they can just like how those who absolutely believe in Christianity and want to share its knowledge as facts. Then you have some who are not comfortable as atheists and lean towards agnosticsm, which you know means "uncertain". so they spend alot of time trying to figure out what clinges true to themselves. For many atheists it is difficult for they are confronted with religious or spiritual folks throughout the year. One just has to walk around the corner and a church appears, one just looks at people and they do a cross signal with their hands or wear necklaces of the cross or half moon if muslim, etc. etc. Or one goes out and sees some pray at a park in groups before playing a game of soccer or football. Magazines and books are filled with spiritual and religion articles, so these atheist live a life primarily around (in their minds superstitious) belief systems and feel obligated in trying to teach people that they are worshipping a delusion, superstition, or illusion. So in the end as much as a religious person prosteylizes there will also be nonbelievers who will give their opinions as well. Is it right or wrong to do this. Well everyone has a different opinion on this. Some find it important as a atheist (perhaps a humantarian need) to educate what they believe is essential on what to believe or not as others accept that others can believe in whatever they want. It is a matter of opinion with a neverending debate on what is right and wrong for each individual. In the end what matters is whatever you believe in makes you happy and live a life with full potentials. I personally prefer to keep a open mind and learn different idealogies to stay happy. Everyone is different in the end. Remember what is wrong for you may be correct for others. What is correct for you may be wrong for others. The world with 6.6 billions and rising each have different idealogies of how life should be lived and what to believe in. very well said |
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I believe that the reaction that you receive about G-d is due to all the crimes and committed in his/her name. Now I know people say well that isn't a real xian or Muslim, etc. but that does not excuse the horrors already committed.
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Edited by
franshade
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Tue 02/17/09 10:01 AM
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The only problem I've EVER had with other member's posts in these forums is in the ridicule toward and contempt for people who believe in God... in which these posts are delivered. So I was simply curious as to why some might feel so strongly in that regard that they would put so much time and effort into posting so many of these types of threads.... I believe a lot of people online, allow their online persona to take hold. People feel strongly one way or the other, but don't feel that only the people who are 'ridiculed or shown contempt' are only those that believe, non-believers are also 'ridiculed and shown contempt'. You just think it's done more to your group as you feel strongly about it. *on a lighter note: this isn't your first thread on this topic *
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I am still stuck on understanding a few things about about elephants and other large beings. The fact that I sometimes feel trampled by whatever is so big gives me cause to rant and rave...but not to deny "their" existence.
That right there--"their" existence--is where the logic of arguing against god falls down. There are more types of beings that can trample me than just one...therefore if I argue against One God and blame that God for everything else, I can avoid blaming myself for being incompetent. Not being at the top of every food chain--even if I am the top of one food chain--is a fearful fact of existence. It would be total nonsense to argue that there is only one type of existence. Many arguments center around the nastiness in this Age...as if feeding us popsicles and pampers is the highest good and we shouldn't grow up and deal with matters at hand. |
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The only problem I've EVER had with other member's posts in these forums is in the ridicule toward and contempt for people who believe in God... in which these posts are delivered. So, basically, you have a problem when one said presents the evidence of things such as evolution, and the numerous other things that make a god unlikely. BUT, you are okay with it when we(the skeptics) get told we are "beyond help" from someone who does believe.  Now, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that I am perfect. I am not, and I have done my fair share of ridiculing, but I have also been a target of ridicule from the other side, as well. So, saying the Skeptics are the only ones who ridicule on this forum is akin to saying that only the white man is capable of racism. |
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anyone that takes cheap shots at anyone like that is wrong in my book. people can debate and give their opinions (however different) without resorting to nanny nanny boo boo. it goes on all sides. if someone disagrees with me...I have no problem with that. the childishness that goes on by adults...gets old though
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Let's put aside for a moment the issue of whether or not God actually exists.... I have read your posts claiming God does not exist...and that those who believe He does...are somehow deluded and lower-thinking than yourself. So I'm curious about something... If God doesn't exist, then why have you felt the need to devote your forum posts to convincing yourself and others that He doesn't? If He did not exist beyond all reasonable doubt, then why are we even bothering to talk about Him? You don't really see any threads devoted to disproving the exsistence of the Tooth Fairy, do you? Why? Because belief in the Tooth Fairy (beyond childhood)is such a ridiculous idea and there is no possible existence of the Tooth Fairy warranting of the effort to disprove. If the idea of God is so ridiculous, as you believe, then why go to the trouble of posting all these "God doesn't exist and you're stupid if you believe in Him" threads? Is it God, Himself that you do not want to believe exists? Or is it the belief that others have in God that bothers you, because you see belief in God on the same level as belief in the Tooth Fairy? Or is it perhaps some of the Christians, themselves which have somehow angered you with their bad behavior? Still....I can't help but wonder why you would devote so much of your time and effort in this pursuit..... Just curious..... You think it ok then when some of these wonderful xtians just come here to call everyone else bigots, hypocrites and what have you? The first time I posted after a long break I was called rude for stating a fact in a certain person's thread. But that's ok because that person calls themselves Christian? I have been called names by this people that you don't want to know about, the only difference is, I don't go out crying foul, foul every time it happens, so it often goes unnoticed. |
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I believe that the reaction that you receive about G-d is due to all the crimes and committed in his/her name. Now I know people say well that isn't a real xian or Muslim, etc. but that does not excuse the horrors already committed. I understand. So...people did these things. And because they claimed or in someway indicated that they did these things for God, then this might be why there is such a strong aversion to the idea of God and a belief in Him....even though we can't determine that God actually sanctioned such an action? I suppose, I can grasp that. |
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