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Topic: Are we Arrogant?
Giocamo's photo
Sat 06/13/09 11:44 PM

huh Obama makes stupid speeches in which he is always apologizing for americans and aksing for help form all the countries that he visits.

whats it got him??

nothing. maybe he should try not being a pansy and see if he gets anywhere.


drinker ...

Winx's photo
Sat 06/13/09 11:46 PM


huh Obama makes stupid speeches in which he is always apologizing for americans and aksing for help form all the countries that he visits.

whats it got him??

nothing. maybe he should try not being a pansy and see if he gets anywhere.


drinker ...


Did you see this, Gio? Davey found it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-President-Obama-at-Strasbourg-Town-Hall/

catwoman96's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:02 AM
he certainly likes to talk.

waiting for an answer though....anyone??

After all of Mr Obama's foreign speeches (thus far) has it got him anywhere??

a deal on oil?
a new pair of shoes?
a new homeland for some new terrorists?
Isreal and Palestine are finally going to recognize eachother's right to exist as a state??

Or maybe he just likes to talk and thuinks that if he talks ENOUGH then everyone will just do whatever it is he wants.





yellowrose10's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:04 AM
cat...that is kinda off topic. the OP was wrong

catwoman96's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:08 AM
to each his own opinion on that oneflowerforyou

Ive read and listened to some of his speeches too. I have MY own opinion.

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:10 AM
cat...in this particular speech...BHO didn't say what the OP claims. Davey proved it

it is debunked. other speeches are other speeches. this thread is about this one

DaveyB's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:13 AM

he certainly likes to talk.

waiting for an answer though....anyone??

After all of Mr Obama's foreign speeches (thus far) has it got him anywhere??

a deal on oil?
a new pair of shoes?
a new homeland for some new terrorists?
Isreal and Palestine are finally going to recognize eachother's right to exist as a state??

Or maybe he just likes to talk and thuinks that if he talks ENOUGH then everyone will just do whatever it is he wants.


Pretty off topic but to answer your question...
A new frame work for international financial regulation and billions more in loans from the International Monetary Fund.
He's also gotten a commitment for other countries to commit troops to Afghanistan.
There is likely more that will come from the trip in the future in the way of cooperation from Europe.

catwoman96's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:17 AM
Obama does kiss azz in his speeches, and he has apologized for Americans "arrogance" while he portrays himself as this great man. Mr wonderful and all that jazz.



the OP was a forward from somebodys email probably. and mostly somebodys opinion. (read the last 4 lines please)
and they are entitled to think who they want regardless of who/what they are.

that is one of the beautiful things about america. (for now)
and I dont think Obama is who we need to thank for the freedoms that we do have.


yellowrose10's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:19 AM

Obama does kiss azz in his speeches, and he has apologized for Americans "arrogance" while he portrays himself as this great man. Mr wonderful and all that jazz.



the OP was a forward from somebodys email probably. and mostly somebodys opinion. (read the last 4 lines please)
and they are entitled to think who they want regardless of who/what they are.

that is one of the beautiful things about america. (for now)
and I dont think Obama is who we need to thank for the freedoms that we do have.




i may be someone's opinion but it's NOT based on facts at all!!!!

read what davy found. he found the ACTUAL transcript of what was said

I suspect it is an email...probably one of those chain emails....doesn't mean it is based on any fact except that BHO was in Europe and gave a speech...that's it

catwoman96's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:21 AM


he certainly likes to talk.

waiting for an answer though....anyone??

After all of Mr Obama's foreign speeches (thus far) has it got him anywhere??

a deal on oil?
a new pair of shoes?
a new homeland for some new terrorists?
Isreal and Palestine are finally going to recognize eachother's right to exist as a state??

Or maybe he just likes to talk and thuinks that if he talks ENOUGH then everyone will just do whatever it is he wants.


Pretty off topic but to answer your question...
A new frame work for international financial regulation and billions more in loans from the International Monetary Fund.
He's also gotten a commitment for other countries to commit troops to Afghanistan.
There is likely more that will come from the trip in the future in the way of cooperation from Europe.


loans? really that sounds exciting.

and other nations SHOULD be working together with US to bring peace to the mideast. (might I add quickly)
we shouldnt have to beg or bribe or whatever.





yellowrose10's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:21 AM
I'm not a fan of BHO...but this is nothing more than slander...sorry but true.

catwoman96's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:24 AM





We have been arrogant. No matter how much we have supported others it does not excuse the recent arrogance we have shown


now see???? I can give credit where credit is due and debunk bad info too bigsmile


If you research most of the negative stuff about Obama it turns out to slanted and untruths.

But as for the arrogance stuff, it is true whether the OP was accurate or not. I can accept the truth even if it is hard to hear.


Finally found it. Here's what was said directly following his statement saying we were arrogant...

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But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what's bad.

On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth. They threaten to widen the divide across the Atlantic and leave us both more isolated. They fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth that America cannot confront the challenges of this century alone, but that Europe cannot confront them without America.
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now to me it is obvious he was trying to pull things together with europe and put us on equal footing. I still don't like the way he did it, but I do understand it.

(oops forgot the link)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-President-Obama-at-Strasbourg-Town-Hall/ it's about a quarter the way down.


cat...this is what BHO really said...not what the OP claims he said.


that is not the speech I was looking at yesterday at all. I will have to look for that speech later. but ummmmm he did call americans arrogant and he does have the tendency to apologize for us.

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:26 AM
THAT WAS THE TRANSCRIPT!!!!

what the OP shows are bits and pieces....even the memorial sites listed had nothing to do with BHO in Europe...

now if you want to base things on rumors and lies...go for it. I don't like his politics....but i prefer to base them off of what i know

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:28 AM
now if someone else can produce the transcript of the speech were that was said...please post it

catwoman96's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:33 AM

THAT WAS THE TRANSCRIPT!!!!

what the OP shows are bits and pieces....even the memorial sites listed had nothing to do with BHO in Europe...

now if you want to base things on rumors and lies...go for it. I don't like his politics....but i prefer to base them off of what i know


no. the moemorial sites have to do with the fact that many many times Americans HAVE answered to other countries calls od distress.

aside from how Mr Obama seems hell bent on portraying us.

When I have time, I will look for that other speech. because that last one you posted wasnt the speech that I was reading about last night.

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:36 AM
i'd be happy to see it. me, davey, thomasjb and i'm sure others tried looking for it....that was the speech davey found. if you can find the speech and not a blog or something...please post it. until then...i don't give this OP any credit

catwoman96's photo
Sun 06/14/09 12:59 AM
Later, President Obama told an audience in Strasbourg that the US and Europe had allowed the alliance to drift in recent years.

He said the US had been “arrogant” and “dismissive” towards its allies, while there was “insidious” anti-Americanism in Europe. He said these attitudes had to change.


Idk maybe it was the same speech you posted..I just skimmed it.

these are the words I found offensive.

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/04/03/obama-calls-america-arrogant-during-speech-in-strasbourg/

and thats one of the blogs that it was found in. not the actual speech though

catwoman96's photo
Sun 06/14/09 01:10 AM
Edited by catwoman96 on Sun 06/14/09 01:48 AM
idk. maybe he is apologizing for the Bush administration and not americans in general.

still........i think its like brown nosing thats what I would call it. but hey we will see............maybe hes making awesome influential friends and peace is in sight. laugh laugh laugh

catwoman96's photo
Sun 06/14/09 01:25 AM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13936886/President-Obamas-Town-Hall-Meeting-in-France-April-3-2009-TranscriptVideo-Link


i think its the same speech. I jsut skimmed your link....but this is transcript i found.

I wont make excuses for Mr Obama. and I PERSONALLY think he should be downgrading the country he is president over.


catwoman96's photo
Sun 06/14/09 03:17 AM
Such an effort is never easy. It's always harder to forge true partnerships and sturdy alliances than to act alone, or to wait for the action of somebody else. It's more difficult to break down walls of division than to simply allow our differences to build and our resentments to fester. So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what's bad.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-President-Obama-at-Strasbourg-Town-Hall/





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