Topic: Are we Arrogant?
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/14/09 08:47 PM
I bow to no one but one who is superior.

To bow is to show servitude, humility, weakness. That is its symbolism!

If my president bows before another leader he is a traitor!

Winx's photo
Sun 06/14/09 08:49 PM
huh

Dragoness's photo
Sun 06/14/09 08:50 PM

I bow to no one but one who is superior.

To bow is to show servitude, humility, weakness. That is its symbolism!

If my president bows before another leader he is a traitor!


If bowing is the custom of respect in that country and our president shows them mutual respect there is nothing wrong with that.

We are no better than any other nation in the world. It is a nation of humans just like ours.

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Sun 06/14/09 08:51 PM

I am an American, I think American and act American. If I bow to you, as a representitive of my people, it's not the top of my head you will be looking at!


I am an American, but I see nothing wrong with bowing if it is the custom. Geesh Sojourning, you don't have to bow like you are going to touch your toes. I have never seen a bow that exaggerated.. LMAO :wink:

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/14/09 08:53 PM
I offered my life in service to this country so you, or I, would not have to bow before any man!

For my president to do so in representation of me or any American negates my willingness to give my life for freedom!!!!!!!!

It is an act of servitude, not a world leader! b:angry:

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/14/09 08:54 PM
A nod maybe, but if I bend my knee it had better be because they broke it!

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Sun 06/14/09 09:01 PM

I offered my life in service to this country so you, or I, would not have to bow before any man!

For my president to do so in representation of me or any American negates my willingness to give my life for freedom!!!!!!!!

It is an act of servitude, not a world leader! b:angry:


I am not talking about that kind of bowing. I am talking about the bow that is more like a nod, that is used to show respect and curtesy.

Of course if you look at as you do I can see why you are saying what you are.

By the way I never asked you to serve this country so that I would not have to bow before any man. I don't bow to anyone the way you see bowing. Nor would I bow in that way to you because you 'chose' to serve. If you didn't like servitude, maybe you would not have joined the service where you are told what to do and when to do it.

Dan99's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:02 PM

I offered my life in service to this country so you, or I, would not have to bow before any man!

For my president to do so in representation of me or any American negates my willingness to give my life for freedom!!!!!!!!

It is an act of servitude, not a world leader! b:angry:


We all know you served for your country because you mention it every other post.

Humbleness is a trait i respect more than arrogance.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:08 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Sun 06/14/09 09:09 PM

I offered my life in service to this country so you, or I, would not have to bow before any man!

For my president to do so in representation of me or any American negates my willingness to give my life for freedom!!!!!!!!

It is an act of servitude, not a world leader! b:angry:


If bowing is the custom of respect in the nation and we need to show we are their equals and respect them, it is a requirement of us as fellow humans to do the bow. Our country is no better than other countries it doesn't mean we are less than or subservient to anyone.

We need to be considerate of others customs and we need to be respectful to others. It makes us a better nation.

myteemouse's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:08 PM
Edited by myteemouse on Sun 06/14/09 09:09 PM
Humbleness is a trait i respect more than arrogance.

Now that you mention it, Danno...The folks I know that brag ad nauseum about having served their country generally served stateside in some kitchen. The ones that saw the real action...like my uncle in WWII or my other uncle who spent years in a POW camp or my dad in Viet Nam...will speak of it only when begged to do so...and then do so with great humility.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:09 PM
I expect my president to DEMAND respect for his supporters/people.

To bow is to concede victory, defeat. To humble yourself before a superior entity.

We are Americans, not Arabs! If their King wants to be bowed to he can call on his subjects. Our President is not one of them..... I hope!

myteemouse's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:10 PM
It's been my experience that those who DEMAND respect do not get it. Those who COMMAND respect do.

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:13 PM
and this is why we have our freedom to express our thoughts. now the presidents speech...could have been worded differently but it certainly wasn't what was claimed in the OP. our opinions are part of the reasons why our soldiers fought and some died for

Dragoness's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:14 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Sun 06/14/09 09:15 PM

I expect my president to DEMAND respect for his supporters/people.

To bow is to concede victory, defeat. To humble yourself before a superior entity.

We are Americans, not Arabs! If their King wants to be bowed to he can call on his subjects. Our President is not one of them..... I hope!



We do not have to DEMAND respect unless disrespected first. If we are meeting with leaders of other countries our president is no better than they are and we earn more respect by being respectful of their customs than we do being arrogant and intolerant.

If bowing is a custom it is a mutual respect thing that has nothing to do with being supservient or conceding defeat.

We should respect the other nations customs and bow if bowing is the custom.

If you personally want to be disrespectful and arrogant, go ahead because you only hurt yourself, but I will not have my president being disrespectful to other leaders for no reason.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:14 PM

It's been my experience that those who DEMAND respect do not get it. Those who COMMAND respect do.


I thank you for that clarification :banana:

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Sun 06/14/09 09:17 PM

I expect my president to DEMAND respect for his supporters/people.

To bow is to concede victory, defeat. To humble yourself before a superior entity.

We are Americans, not Arabs! If their King wants to be bowed to he can call on his subjects. Our President is not one of them..... I hope!



I don't get it, for someone who talks about freedom often, the word demand strikes me as bit bullying... I think respect is earned, not demanded. Call me stubborn but if you demand anything of me your likely not to get it.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:17 PM


I expect my president to DEMAND respect for his supporters/people.

To bow is to concede victory, defeat. To humble yourself before a superior entity.

We are Americans, not Arabs! If their King wants to be bowed to he can call on his subjects. Our President is not one of them..... I hope!



We do not have to DEMAND respect unless disrespected first. If we are meeting with leaders of other countries our president is no better than they are and we earn more respect by being respectful of their customs than we do being arrogant and intolerant.

If bowing is a custom is a mutual respect thing that has nothing to do with being supservient or conceding defeat.

We should respect the other nations customs and bow if bowing is the custom.

If you personally want to be disrespectful and arrogant, go ahead because you only hurt yourself, but I will not have my president being disrespectful to other leaders for no reason.


Bowing is what the kings "subjects" do! Does his wife or wives bow? His sons?

I'll piss on his favorite goat before I bow to him if I represented an entire nation that has earned its right as a world power!

Dragoness's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:19 PM



I expect my president to DEMAND respect for his supporters/people.

To bow is to concede victory, defeat. To humble yourself before a superior entity.

We are Americans, not Arabs! If their King wants to be bowed to he can call on his subjects. Our President is not one of them..... I hope!



We do not have to DEMAND respect unless disrespected first. If we are meeting with leaders of other countries our president is no better than they are and we earn more respect by being respectful of their customs than we do being arrogant and intolerant.

If bowing is a custom is a mutual respect thing that has nothing to do with being supservient or conceding defeat.

We should respect the other nations customs and bow if bowing is the custom.

If you personally want to be disrespectful and arrogant, go ahead because you only hurt yourself, but I will not have my president being disrespectful to other leaders for no reason.


Bowing is what the kings "subjects" do! Does his wife or wives bow? His sons?

I'll piss on his favorite goat before I bow to him if I represented an entire nation that has earned its right as a world power!


Hopefully we never have a president who feels the way that you do. Arrogance is not respect deserving, it is a fault of great disrespect.

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:20 PM

Humbleness is a trait i respect more than arrogance.

Now that you mention it, Danno...The folks I know that brag ad nauseum about having served their country generally served stateside in some kitchen. The ones that saw the real action...like my uncle in WWII or my other uncle who spent years in a POW camp or my dad in Viet Nam...will speak of it only when begged to do so...and then do so with great humility.


that is a generalized statement. several don't speak of it because of PTSD....some are proud....some speak as much to over come PTSD. Just because the people you know don't speak about it...doesn't mean that is everyone. but again...that is one of the freedoms we have.

just a thought

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/14/09 09:21 PM
If this "King" does not respect you as an equal or "King" to your people, you have lost any chance of equality in ANY dealings you may wish to endeavor!