why should we have too weaght four years, why cant we start now, impeachment is for the pepole ,by the pepole and , with the pepole !

he is no longer a democrat , am msulem , or black , he was elected to be presadent of the united states!

it is past time to talk , rant, wish, and beg! ACT NOW IT IS CALLED GRASS ROOT ! ARE YOU WITH ME ?

Sure we can be an arrogant nation. ie Iraq, Vietnam. I think what got our suspicions up was an obviously over the top one sided article posted by the OP. It is one thing to have an opinion, but quite another to base it on half truths.

now if someone else can produce the transcript of the speech were that was said...please post it

Obama does kiss azz in his speeches, and he has apologized for Americans "arrogance" while he portrays himself as this great man. Mr wonderful and all that jazz.

the OP was a forward from somebodys email probably. and mostly somebodys opinion. (read the last 4 lines please)
and they are entitled to think who they want regardless of who/what they are.

that is one of the beautiful things about america. (for now)
and I dont think Obama is who we need to thank for the freedoms that we do have.

loans? really that sounds exciting.

and other nations SHOULD be working together with US to bring peace to the mideast. (might I add quickly)
we shouldnt have to beg or bribe or whatever.

When I have time, I will look for that other speech. because that last one you posted wasnt the speech that I was reading about last night.

Let's get real around here for Pete sakes. America has been good bad and indifferent down through history, and remember that we all started out in Europe. Those who think Obama is saying something untrue just have to look at their own posts to prove we can be arrogant and we have been.

Wanna pretend we are perfect and better than everyone else, go ahead.....

Even if Obama said it he isn't telling Europe anything they didn't already know, he was just honest about it.

My apologies here as I think I've given the wrong impression. As I said in my post the text I copied was what he said immediately after he said we were arrogant. So yes he did say that. Here's a complete copy of that segment of his speech. The part in blue is what is quoted over and over by the far right, and it what you'll find in the clips on youtube. Without the context it sounds really bad. Within this context, I still don't like what he said, but I do understand what he was trying to do.

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This is our generation. This is our time. And I am confident that we can meet any challenge as long as we are together. (Applause.)

Such an effort is never easy. It's always harder to forge true partnerships and sturdy alliances than to act alone, or to wait for the action of somebody else. It's more difficult to break down walls of division than to simply allow our differences to build and our resentments to fester. So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what's bad.

On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth. They threaten to widen the divide across the Atlantic and leave us both more isolated. They fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth that America cannot confront the challenges of this century alone, but that Europe cannot confront them without America.

So I've come to Europe this week to renew our partnership, one in which America listens and learns from our friends and allies, but where our friends and allies bear their share of the burden. Together, we must forge common solutions to our common problems.
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Boo it's not really a question of whether or not we are, I think we all know Americans on the whole are arrogant about our stance in the world. The problem is whether or not we should be apologetic about it. I do have problems with that, and if he actually had been as apologetic as he's been portrayed I'd be pretty unhappy with him. But if you take what he said within the context of the speech it's less like he's being apologetic about it and more like saying "Hey I'm the bigger man (country in this case) I've made my mistakes and I can admit it, now here's your mistakes, so get over it and let's work together". I still didn't care for it but I do understand his purpose.

i find it ironic

that most of the arguments here used to dismiss the arrogant statement just help to prove the arrogance

sorry but it does

but those of the patriotic (arrogant) of the united states

are no more arrogant tahn the patriotic (arrogant) of any other county

no worse than a sports team school or company loyalty

the u s is not the same as it was when those that were buried in those cemeteries were buried and for the americans of today to expect the same response from the world that the americans of the 1940s got you need to face a reality

as bob dylan says the times they are a changin (and they have)

and if that same war was fought today you would have your peace protesters and the media saying how bad the war is and how the soldiers are abusing those they are fighting along with those they are fighting for

sorry but i am not an obama fan but most americans are arrogant and living on the achievements of their ancestry

yes he could have worded it better but arrogant non the less

Hi Davey, I certainly don't want to try to change your way of thinking on this, but I like the fact that he had the guts to say what he felt, and he's not alone in thinking it. I know people close by that don't like him and didn't' disagree with what he said. They just didn't like hearing that we Americans are capable of dishonesty. Well duh, that is no secret anymore than our capability of being kind and considerate. When someone is inconsiderate to me, I don't demand and apology but I'll tell that when that same person recognizes they were inconsiderate and apologizes, it does make a difference in how I treat them after that event. Just makes sense.


we are no different than any other peoples of the world, we are capable of good and evil.

I understand his purpose as well, I have a hard time understanding why some folks feel that being the worlds bully works on any level. We certainly wouldn't tolerate it, why should anyone else.

I doubt you would do that since you didn't even bother to read the link I posted. That was the speech you were hearing about. As I said in that post, I was posting the text of what he said immediately following the part where he said we were arrogant. I assumed that people would have already heard that short clip and understood as I did it was taken out of context. Anyway I've now posted the complete text from that segment, since it seemed people needed that to put the whole thing together.

Your listening, or reading sound bites. I don't like Obama myself but I make my judgments on facts and with full knowledge of what actually is done and said. People basing opinions on bites is why we don't get offered anything better that Obama or McCain. It's how the party people belong to and government as a whole controls people.



Very true however their opinion isn't based on knowledge of the truth and is therefore worthless. It's just regurgitation of what they've been told to believe.

So boo, do you think that people and our president should air our dirty laundry in front of the whole world, and that by doing that we can better work together against those issues that are dangers and great possiblities in the world??

It doesn't matter which of the 291 countries you go to, you will have people of all kinds of nationalities who are arrogant.

Yes Americans are arrogant, but no less or more then Europeans or other people from other countries.

May we find a way to ensure diplomatic understandings without the resort to war. This will ensure peace and prosperity for everyone.