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that is your OPINION that is what he is talking about. I dont think Bush was around for the cold war. Or the spread or use of nucs...... and I wouldnt blame pollution on bush either. One of these days using Bush wont be a viable excuse for when Mr Obama puts his foot in his mouth. or worse. what does any of those examples have to do with anything? 
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So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship
recent years....nothing to do with those examples cat.... |
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that is your OPINION that is what he is talking about. I dont think Bush was around for the cold war. Or the spread or use of nucs...... and I wouldnt blame pollution on bush either. One of these days using Bush wont be a viable excuse for when Mr Obama puts his foot in his mouth. or worse. what does any of those examples have to do with anything? because it was part of his speech.(Are we reading the same one?) Even with the Cold War now over, the spread of nuclear weapons or the theft of nuclear material could lead to the extermination of any city on the planet. And this weekend in Prague, I will lay out an agenda to seek the goal of a world without nuclear weapons. (Applause.) We also know that the pollution from cars in Boston or from factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, and that that will disrupt weather patterns everywhere. The terrorists who struck in London, in New York, plotted in distant caves and simple apartments much closer to your home. And the reckless speculation of bankers that has new fueled a global economic downturn that's inflicting pain on workers and families is happening everywhere all across the globe. The economic crisis has proven the fact of our interdependence in the most visible way yet. Not more than a generation ago, it would have been difficult to imagine that the inability of somebody to pay for a house in Florida could contribute to the failure of the banking system in Iceland. Today what's difficult to imagine is that we did not act sooner to shape our future. |
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that is your OPINION that is what he is talking about. I dont think Bush was around for the cold war. Or the spread or use of nucs...... It is what he was talking about, Bush even got pissed about and said so. There is no mention in this part of the speech about the cold war he specifically said (as Rose pointed out) "in recent years". and I wouldnt blame pollution on bush either. only someone totally out of it would. One of these days using Bush wont be a viable excuse for when Mr Obama puts his foot in his mouth. or worse. I didn't say anything about and Bush himself agrees that's what he was talking about. As for blame well yeah it's common knowledge that Bush's foreign policies were not liked by Europe. |
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that is your OPINION that is what he is talking about. I dont think Bush was around for the cold war. Or the spread or use of nucs...... It is what he was talking about, Bush even got pissed about and said so. There is no mention in this part of the speech about the cold war he specifically said (as Rose pointed out) "in recent years". and I wouldnt blame pollution on bush either. only someone totally out of it would. One of these days using Bush wont be a viable excuse for when Mr Obama puts his foot in his mouth. or worse. I didn't say anything about and Bush himself agrees that's what he was talking about. As for blame well yeah it's common knowledge that Bush's foreign policies were not liked by Europe. well I didnt READ or hear anywhere that Obama specifically mentioned Bush in this speech. So I question if he really is bush bashing or just american bashing. |
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that is your OPINION that is what he is talking about. I dont think Bush was around for the cold war. Or the spread or use of nucs...... It is what he was talking about, Bush even got pissed about and said so. There is no mention in this part of the speech about the cold war he specifically said (as Rose pointed out) "in recent years". and I wouldnt blame pollution on bush either. only someone totally out of it would. One of these days using Bush wont be a viable excuse for when Mr Obama puts his foot in his mouth. or worse. I didn't say anything about and Bush himself agrees that's what he was talking about. As for blame well yeah it's common knowledge that Bush's foreign policies were not liked by Europe. well I didnt READ or hear anywhere that Obama specifically mentioned Bush in this speech. So I question if he really is bush bashing or just american bashing. He didn't name him, just implicating him is outside the bounds of what's normally done and it one of thing I object to even though I don't like Bush. But if you don't believe me do a little research it was not hard to find the clips where Bush was upset about Obama talking about him. |
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Obama's speech upsets me. I imagine Bush would be upset also....I will trust you on that one.
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yellowrose10
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Sun 06/14/09 06:02 PM
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that is your OPINION that is what he is talking about. I dont think Bush was around for the cold war. Or the spread or use of nucs...... and I wouldnt blame pollution on bush either. One of these days using Bush wont be a viable excuse for when Mr Obama puts his foot in his mouth. or worse. what does any of those examples have to do with anything? because it was part of his speech.(Are we reading the same one?) Even with the Cold War now over, the spread of nuclear weapons or the theft of nuclear material could lead to the extermination of any city on the planet. And this weekend in Prague, I will lay out an agenda to seek the goal of a world without nuclear weapons. (Applause.) We also know that the pollution from cars in Boston or from factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, and that that will disrupt weather patterns everywhere. The terrorists who struck in London, in New York, plotted in distant caves and simple apartments much closer to your home. And the reckless speculation of bankers that has new fueled a global economic downturn that's inflicting pain on workers and families is happening everywhere all across the globe. The economic crisis has proven the fact of our interdependence in the most visible way yet. Not more than a generation ago, it would have been difficult to imagine that the inability of somebody to pay for a house in Florida could contribute to the failure of the banking system in Iceland. Today what's difficult to imagine is that we did not act sooner to shape our future. cat...that is different. he was speaking about nukes in N Korea and a nuke free world Strasbourg, France - United States President Barack Obama on Friday said he would push for a nuclear-free world and cautioned North Korea against firing a long-range rocket. "Even with the Cold War over, the spread of nuclear weapons, or the theft of nuclear material, could lead to the extermination of any city on the planet," Obama told an audience of several thousand young people at a town hall meeting in Strasbourg. "This weekend in Prague, I will lay out an agenda to seek the goal of a world without nuclear weapons," he said ahead of an EU-US summit taking place on Sunday in the Czech capital. Obama was speaking just hours before the start of a NATO summit in France and Germany. Earlier, the US president also warned North Korea not to go ahead with its "provocative" plans to fire a long-range rocket. "The response so far from the North Koreans has been not just unhelpful, but has resorted to the sort of language that has led to North Korea's isolation in the international community for a very long time," Obama said after talks in Strasbourg with French President Nicolas Sarkozy. "They should stop the launch," Obama said. Washington suspects Pyongyang is preparing to test a Taepodong-2 missile, which is theoretically capable of reaching Alaska and carrying a nuclear warhead, under the cover of a satellite launch. Its first test of such a missile in 2006 failed. Latest reports out of South Korea suggested the launch could take place as soon as Saturday. On Wednesday, Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed during a meeting in London to draw up a new deal on nuclear disarmament. The two leaders said they would seek a replacement to the current US-Russian strategic weapons reduction programme (START), which expires at the end of 2009. Under the existing START programme, in place since 1994, the two countries have already agreed to a strategic arsenal of no more than 6,000 warheads and 1,600 carrier missiles. In a joint statement issued in London, Obama and Medvedev emphasized a commitment to build on START, which had "completely fulfilled its intended purpose," as well as further scaling back nuclear stockpiles held by Russia and the US. ********************************************************************* he didn't specify Bush but he mentioned the last few years. ********************************************************************* |
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Not American bashing at all. Policy bashing, actions bashing, attitude bashing, maybe but it is true that we were arrogant and inconsiderate and wrong on alot of things done recently in our name by our leaders. Obama is only calling what it is and was.
You know Bush never really apologized to us for his mistakes which affected the whole world. There was the one interview where he came as close as he was going to but still no dice. He wronged not only us but others. That cannot be disputed legitimately. I would like anyone else to show where another nation got hit by terrorists from another country and they went and declared "military action" against a nation that had nothing to do with the terrorist attack and made it a world wide effort against the innocent nation. It is sick. We are capable of great things and horrible nightmares. We need to be more diligent to what our government is doing. |
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Obama's speech upsets me. I imagine Bush would be upset also....I will trust you on that one. I find it hard to believe you've even read the short clips I've posted let alone the whole speech. But as far as I know the only thing Bush complained about was Obama referring to his policies in his speech and basically calling them a problem. |
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 This has taken many directions. (but his speech does cover alot of different ground) I do wish he would choose to direct most of his time to the affairs at home than to the entire world. back to the OP...the USA should stand proud and somewhat arrogant. We have endured many hardships and many triumphs (as have many other nations) WE have helped other countries numerous and immeasurable ways. We also have hurt other nations along the way. One cant rewrite ourt past, it is what it is. I do hope in 4 years time I will still be proud to be an American and that our soil and our troops abroad will remain safe. peace, love, and prosperity to all I gotta go enjoy some family time.........(they get upset when mama is tooo computer addicted) |
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the problem is with a lot of things...people take bits and pieces out of context and rewrite what is said.
just like the OP. the OP states he apologized for us and talked about arrogance then listed sites and the last 4 sentences. the sites and sentences were for memorial day....but the OP implies BHO apologized to other countries for our fallen soldiers. it's gross negligence to do that IMO |
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So boo, do you think that people and our president should air our dirty laundry in front of the whole world, and that by doing that we can better work together against those issues that are dangers and great possiblities in the world?? I believe in being open and honest, doesn't matter whether it's one on one or with the whole world. People can sense when someone is genuine or full of it, they can also tell when they aren't being completely honest. American hate being treated like they are stupid.. well so does the rest of the world. People in Europe are not stupid, they know enough about America to know both the good and the bad. Our attitude toward people of other countries makes a difference whether we want to acknowledge that or not. Attitude period, matters. If you act tougher and more aggressive, that certainly is not going to get you what you ultimately want in the long run, in the short run it might, but only for so long. It doesn't mean you let people walk on you.... |
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This has taken many directions. (but his speech does cover alot of different ground) I do wish he would choose to direct most of his time to the affairs at home than to the entire world. Offtopic how? the OP stated that Obama said we are an arrogant country, I've shown where he did not say that, and the OP said Obama felt we should be ashamed and I'm showing that he has not expressed that in anyway. If you can't stand the truth don't read my posts because it doesn't matter to me if I like Obama or not I will find and tell the truth when I see it is being trampled on. back to the OP...the USA should stand proud and somewhat arrogant. We have endured many hardships and many triumphs (as have many other nations) WE have helped other countries numerous and immeasurable ways. We also have hurt other nations along the way. One cant rewrite ourt past, it is what it is. I do hope in 4 years time I will still be proud to be an American and that our soil and our troops abroad will remain safe. That part of the OP is quite true and I'm certain Obama would agree as well. It was just trying to make some relationship between that and Obama's statements is so far off base that it's pointless to have them in the same thread. I choose not to hide my head in the sand, you do as you wish. |
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 Let's get real around here for Pete sakes. America has been good bad and indifferent down through history, and remember that we all started out in Europe. Those who think Obama is saying something untrue just have to look at their own posts to prove we can be arrogant and we have been. Wanna pretend we are perfect and better than everyone else, go ahead..... Even if Obama said it he isn't telling Europe anything they didn't already know, he was just honest about it. Boo it's not really a question of whether or not we are, I think we all know Americans on the whole are arrogant about our stance in the world. The problem is whether or not we should be apologetic about it. I do have problems with that, and if he actually had been as apologetic as he's been portrayed I'd be pretty unhappy with him. But if you take what he said within the context of the speech it's less like he's being apologetic about it and more like saying "Hey I'm the bigger man (country in this case) I've made my mistakes and I can admit it, now here's your mistakes, so get over it and let's work together". I still didn't care for it but I do understand his purpose. Hi Davey, I certainly don't want to try to change your way of thinking on this, but I like the fact that he had the guts to say what he felt, and he's not alone in thinking it. I know people close by that don't like him and didn't' disagree with what he said. They just didn't like hearing that we Americans are capable of dishonesty. Well duh, that is no secret anymore than our capability of being kind and considerate. When someone is inconsiderate to me, I don't demand and apology but I'll tell that when that same person recognizes they were inconsiderate and apologizes, it does make a difference in how I treat them after that event. Just makes sense. we are no different than any other peoples of the world, we are capable of good and evil. I understand his purpose as well, I have a hard time understanding why some folks feel that being the worlds bully works on any level. We certainly wouldn't tolerate it, why should anyone else. My way of thinking was already changed some simply by hearing the whole segment within context. I do understand your pov, I'm not nearly as bothered by the statements as I was, but I still think he could have done better. Ah yes, of course we could 'all' do better, though we don't have the kind of pressure on us that he has on him to say the right thing, so of course no matter what he says, some will not like it one bit. |
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that is your OPINION that is what he is talking about. I dont think Bush was around for the cold war. Or the spread or use of nucs...... and I wouldnt blame pollution on bush either. One of these days using Bush wont be a viable excuse for when Mr Obama puts his foot in his mouth. or worse. what does any of those examples have to do with anything? because it was part of his speech.(Are we reading the same one?) Even with the Cold War now over, the spread of nuclear weapons or the theft of nuclear material could lead to the extermination of any city on the planet. And this weekend in Prague, I will lay out an agenda to seek the goal of a world without nuclear weapons. (Applause.) We also know that the pollution from cars in Boston or from factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, and that that will disrupt weather patterns everywhere. The terrorists who struck in London, in New York, plotted in distant caves and simple apartments much closer to your home. And the reckless speculation of bankers that has new fueled a global economic downturn that's inflicting pain on workers and families is happening everywhere all across the globe. The economic crisis has proven the fact of our interdependence in the most visible way yet. Not more than a generation ago, it would have been difficult to imagine that the inability of somebody to pay for a house in Florida could contribute to the failure of the banking system in Iceland. Today what's difficult to imagine is that we did not act sooner to shape our future. I like this part of the speech. It's talking about how we are all intertwined and inter-dependent upon each other...how we all need to get along. |
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I'll mention Bush....he's an ASSSSSSS!!! A royal pain in the ass. A LIAR, an untrustworthy bush-hole. He has caused more unrest in his years as pres. The world as a whole began to hate us and his politics. We lost our value and honor to those countries that used to respect us. Maybe now we will save face and regain our respect as Americans. If not...then it can't be any worse than what we have already been through.
Not withstanding Korea, which by the way should have been in bushy's agenda instead of Iraq. Oh, and then there is Iran. Kat |
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Let's get real around here for Pete sakes. America has been good bad and indifferent down through history, and remember that we all started out in Europe. Those who think Obama is saying something untrue just have to look at their own posts to prove we can be arrogant and we have been. Wanna pretend we are perfect and better than everyone else, go ahead..... Even if Obama said it he isn't telling Europe anything they didn't already know, he was just honest about it. Boo it's not really a question of whether or not we are, I think we all know Americans on the whole are arrogant about our stance in the world. The problem is whether or not we should be apologetic about it. I do have problems with that, and if he actually had been as apologetic as he's been portrayed I'd be pretty unhappy with him. But if you take what he said within the context of the speech it's less like he's being apologetic about it and more like saying "Hey I'm the bigger man (country in this case) I've made my mistakes and I can admit it, now here's your mistakes, so get over it and let's work together". I still didn't care for it but I do understand his purpose. Hi Davey, I certainly don't want to try to change your way of thinking on this, but I like the fact that he had the guts to say what he felt, and he's not alone in thinking it. I know people close by that don't like him and didn't' disagree with what he said. They just didn't like hearing that we Americans are capable of dishonesty. Well duh, that is no secret anymore than our capability of being kind and considerate. When someone is inconsiderate to me, I don't demand and apology but I'll tell that when that same person recognizes they were inconsiderate and apologizes, it does make a difference in how I treat them after that event. Just makes sense. we are no different than any other peoples of the world, we are capable of good and evil. I understand his purpose as well, I have a hard time understanding why some folks feel that being the worlds bully works on any level. We certainly wouldn't tolerate it, why should anyone else. My way of thinking was already changed some simply by hearing the whole segment within context. I do understand your pov, I'm not nearly as bothered by the statements as I was, but I still think he could have done better. Ah yes, of course we could 'all' do better, though we don't have the kind of pressure on us that he has on him to say the right thing, so of course no matter what he says, some will not like it one bit. It is an unwritten rule that presidents to not speak ill of their predecessors, and at this point it is quite obvious that is exactly what he was doing. I don't approve of that. As for " we could all do better" he had a great deal of time to and the best help there is out there to get it right. My opinion he went with the easy way as far as Europeans are concerned and figured he'd take the flack back home. |
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Do Americans know and apply the definition of fair and equal human importance?
I have yet to see it in my life time. ar⋅ro⋅gant /ˈærəgənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ar-uh-guhnt] Show IPA –adjective 1. making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant public official. 2. characterized by or proceeding from arrogance: arrogant claims. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Origin: 1350–1400; ME < L arrogant- (s. of arrogāns) presuming, prp. of arrogāre. See arrogate, -ant Related forms: ar⋅ro⋅gant⋅ly, adverb Synonyms: 1. presumptuous, haughty, imperious, brazen. See proud. Antonyms: 1. meek. 2. modest, humble. Dictionary.com Unabridged |
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It doesn't matter which of the 291 countries you go to, you will have people of all kinds of nationalities who are arrogant. Yes Americans are arrogant, but no less or more then Europeans or other people from other countries. I think the arrogance is a given myself, where the differing of feelings about all this comes is in whether or not we should be apologetic about it. That's where I had problems with his speech, but when I was finally able to see the entire speech I realized that he was not really being all that apologetic and he used other terms to describe what Europe had done, as well as implying that they too were being arrogant. It is also pretty apparent that he was speaking more about our foreign policy over the last eight years rather than the American people or our overall history. In the way he said thing he took a pretty good jab at Bush and as much as I dislike I don't think that's appropriate. May we find a way to ensure diplomatic understandings without the resort to war. This will ensure peace and prosperity for everyone. I think the tour made a good step toward that ends. I just still think it could have been done better with out leaving ourselves open for so much criticism. Considering what Bush and his administration did for our country in the past 8 years, a verbal jab was minor, and bit of good measure considering how the rest of the world felt about Bush. Not mentioning him at all would have seemed strange as I am sure people need some affirmation that he is NOT Bush when it comes to world view, even if he might have things in common with policy. Which is probably my personal issue with Obama. Actually I think Obama is quite gutsy, considering that he's not stupid and knew that there would be those that would see it as arrogant, I for one am not a bit worried about the kind of criticism of Obama, compared to the criticism of Bush and his admin. |
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