i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, that they are willing to jeopardize eternity for a mere 70-100 years of life. its kinda funny because you can be certain that there is a God if you truly know him, but you can never really be certain that there is not if you dont know him.

So, because you choose to live your life in fear then you have to ask ME why?

Who's living in fear? Christians in general don't live in fear. The only thing to fear is fear itself. With God on your side, who can be against you? What is there to fear in the first place? We obey our father and are given an abundance of gifts through life, and are promised eternal life in paradise after this life on earth. What is there to fear? Christians don't obey our fathers laws out of fear of punishment, we serve the father out of obedience which derives from love and compassion.

How can you believe a just god would allow your eternity be deceided on a mere 70-100 years of life?
What possible finite deed or series of deeds would merit either an infinity of punishment or reward?

Maybe it's not their fear of god's hell damnation as much as it's their fear of their friends and family disowning them if they broke free of their ball and chain religion.

It's another "social norm". You know how I like this "norms"...lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaOVPaYf780&feature=fvw

We cannot prove there is no god, but we can disprove(to ourselves at least) the religions on offer to us. If there was a true religion we would have no idea which one it was, so why waste your time following just one?

this message is for arcamedees. there is no deed or series of deeds, only belief/obedience and unbelief/disobedience

to middleearthling. i wanst raised with these beliefs man. i always wondered if God was real and now i know.

im not living in fear, just reverence. im not asking you why neither. im making the statement that it is impossible for an atheist to ever be sure that there isnt a God. this is something you want to be sure about because by the time you realize that there is, it may be too late.

the few,the proud,the atheist

What's interesting is that today's atheists aren't atheists in the traditional sense. Friedrich Nietzsche understood what atheism meant, but today's atheists comfort themselves with false ideas and spend their time thinking about how terrible religion.

By this reasoning 'modern' atheists are then just like the religious...

Comfort from man made ideas and falsness created by man.

That's rich, coming from a man who created his own "religion" using pieces of other religions and claims to have personally met God.

I see no reason to believe that a person's belief is going to have anything at all to do with their eternal fate. That kind of rhetoric only stems from the Abrahamic Religions with their supposed jealous egotistical God who hates anyone who refuses to love him.

Who would want to worship such an ignorant selfish God for eternity anyway? Even if that mythology were true your best bet would be to tell that God to go jump in his lake of fire because he's clearly not worthy of worship.

Unless, of course, you'd be willing to worship a demon just to save your butt from death. Personally I would gladly choose death over becoming the mindless slave to an evil demon like the biblical God.

Our father hates no one. He only loves. That is why he offers eternal life. If he didn't love you or someone else, would he still offer the eternal life? I think no, but he does. Heaven is merely a gift. Gifts are generally earned in one way or other. Not "bought" but earned through love.

But it's impossible to earn this supposed gift through "love".

According to the Christians the only way to achieve this gift is to convert to Christianity. First, confess that Jesus is the "The Christ", then acknowledge that he was the Only Begotten Son of the God of the Old Testament, and THEN confess that the entire Old Testament must necessarily be the "Word of God" and thus represent the LAWS of God.

What does any of that CRAP have to do with "LOVE"?

I can tell you right now, that it has absolutely nothing at all to do with Love.

All that crap has to do with is Christian bigotry. Trying to hold the ignorant ways of a sick demented male-chauvinistic and homophoic society over the heads of modern people.

That has absolutely nothing at all to do with "Love".

Christians use Jesus to spread hatred and religious bigotry, and the mere fact that they pretend to speak of things like "Love" only shows just how horribly blinded they truly are.

Not only is that untrue, but it's laughably so.

1) Did Samson confess that Jesus is "The Christ"? No, he died before Jesus was born, but he is mentioned as having been saved. Saved through knowledge that he was sinful and needed salvation and faith that God would grant him that salvation.

2) Jesus is the God of the Old Testament.

3) You made that up.

Well, if you'd like to talk about things that are laughable, I'd be more than happy to oblige.

1) Did Samson confess that Jesus is "The Christ"? No, he died before Jesus was born, but he is mentioned as having been saved. Saved through knowledge that he was sinful and needed salvation and faith that God would grant him that salvation.

All you're saying here is that the crucifixion of Jesus as the sacrificial lamb of God wasn't necessarily because the God of the Old Testament could already forgive sins?

2) Jesus is the God of the Old Testament.

I'll leave you and Cowboy have that one out since you two appear to disagree on this point.

Moreover, if Jesus actually was the God of the Old Testament, then he could have simply taught HIS moral values the first time round in the Old Testament, and he wouldn't have had any need to come and changes all HIS laws.

3) You made that up.

So I made up the idea that the Old Testament represents the "Word of God" and thus the "Laws of God"?

Well, if that's the case then where to Christians get the idea that homosexuality is a sin (include Paul as a "Christian"), and why do they bother with the Ten Commandments at all if they didn't come from God?

I think today's modern so-called "Christians" are so confused about what their religion is supposed to be about that this is why we have a myriad of different ideas on the topic. In fact this is precisely why Protestantism has so many diverging denominations. No two protesting Protestant can agree on much of anything.

Christianity is only a title given to us because of atheists and other beliefs. There's no "conversion" necessary. The only things necessary are accepting Jesus Christ as your sacrifice for your sins. You do this by the way you live. For if you believe in him "accepting his sacrifice" you would follow the teachings that he gave. That is the ONLY thing necessary to gaining salvation. Jesus is the light that leads our way to the father. And it has everything to do with love. The greatest display of the greatest love is laying your life down for someone else. Weather that's literal or symbolic. Jesus LITERALLY laid his life down for us so that we can share in the glory of God. All you have to do is sybolically lay your life down for our father in return. Live your life for others including our father and not for just you. Of course you'll have to live for yourself eg., going to work, meeting a woman, building a family, ect. But through your actions of how you live your life is how you'd be laying your life down for the father.

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Christians use Jesus to spread hatred and religious bigotry, and the mere fact that they pretend to speak of things like "Love" only shows just how horribly blinded they truly are.
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Christians spread no hatred or religious bigotry. Christianity spreads equality, love, compassion, and so much more. And here's a simple form of how it spreads as such.

Equality = We ALL fall short in the glory of God. Thus no one is better then another, we are all equal in this boat of life.

Love = Offering eternal life. Everything you would ever want or need at just a whim of asking for it.

Compassion = Offering forgiveness of sins and trespasses you may have done. There is but only one unforgivable sin, and that is denying the lord thy God. ALL other sins are forgiveable if you seek the forgiveness.