Topic: the death penalty
ujGearhead's photo
Sun 08/07/11 10:59 PM
I think that instead of the death penalty (in most cases) or life in prison they should be sent over to Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. Instead of the taxpayers paying for them to sit around doing nothing (or getting juiced), they should be put to work to 'earn their keeps'. Besides, who do you think would be more 'fit' to be in war, some 18-19 y/o KID or an experienced killer?

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/07/11 11:39 PM

I think that instead of the death penalty (in most cases) or life in prison they should be sent over to Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. Instead of the taxpayers paying for them to sit around doing nothing (or getting juiced), they should be put to work to 'earn their keeps'. Besides, who do you think would be more 'fit' to be in war, some 18-19 y/o KID or an experienced killer?



how odd, I have actually considered that several times over the years,, recruit from those who already show disregard for life

but how would we keep them from killing each other is the question?

Ladylid2012's photo
Mon 08/08/11 07:33 AM

I think that instead of the death penalty (in most cases) or life in prison they should be sent over to Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. Instead of the taxpayers paying for them to sit around doing nothing (or getting juiced), they should be put to work to 'earn their keeps'. Besides, who do you think would be more 'fit' to be in war, some 18-19 y/o KID or an experienced killer?


not so sure a psychotic murderer makes the best soldier....

Ladylid2012's photo
Mon 08/08/11 07:58 AM
Edited by Ladylid2012 on Mon 08/08/11 07:58 AM
it doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

jrbogie's photo
Mon 08/08/11 05:31 PM
many people deserve the death penalty but until government can hand it out in a much less arbitrary fashion i'm against it. i won't go into the detterence or innocent put to death arguement but i find it absurd that a man can drive from LA to las vegas, kill his wife and be subject to the death penalty when if he'd waited until he got back home to california the death penalty would not be in play with the moritorium in place now.

oj was on trial when california had the death penalty but the prosecutors did not put it in play because they knew they'd never get a jury to give the juice to the juice. of course he had the dream team to boot. at the same time in a courtroom down the hall a teen was on trial for murdering a rival gang member with a public defender for council. he now sits on death row in san quinten. so here we have oj who murdered two law abiding people who could not have been given the death penalty by his jury even if he'd been convicted and a kid who'll soon die because he took a crook off the street. either it is about EQUAL due process of law or it's not.

as regards the innocent dieing, i'd suggest reading john gisham's 'an innocent man' his only non fiction court drama. in a small oklahoma town a young woman was brutally raped and murdered. she was the daughter of an influential business man and pillar of the community and the district attorny, the sherrif and the judge who'd try the case were all up for re-election. the town was crying for an arrest so they invented a perp, tried him with faulty evidence, convicted him and he sat on death row for twelve years before barry schek of oj dream team fame and founder of the innocence project got him off as the first innocent man exonerated with dna. the guy was a minor league ball player with major legue prospects when he was arrested and died of poor health in his fifties having succumed to various nervous dissorders.

jrbogie's photo
Mon 08/08/11 05:37 PM

I think that instead of the death penalty (in most cases) or life in prison they should be sent over to Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. Instead of the taxpayers paying for them to sit around doing nothing (or getting juiced), they should be put to work to 'earn their keeps'. Besides, who do you think would be more 'fit' to be in war, some 18-19 y/o KID or an experienced killer?



having been in combat in vietnam i think i'm capable of saying that people in combat need to rely on there fighting buddies. i wouldn't have much confidence in the courage of someone watching my back who was there to escape the death penalty or life in prison.

GravelRidgeBoy's photo
Tue 08/09/11 08:01 AM


I think that instead of the death penalty (in most cases) or life in prison they should be sent over to Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. Instead of the taxpayers paying for them to sit around doing nothing (or getting juiced), they should be put to work to 'earn their keeps'. Besides, who do you think would be more 'fit' to be in war, some 18-19 y/o KID or an experienced killer?

having been in combat in vietnam i think i'm capable of saying that people in combat need to rely on there fighting buddies. i wouldn't have much confidence in the courage of someone watching my back who was there to escape the death penalty or life in prison.
Sending them in with the actual military would not be a good thing. But parachuting them in alone deep behind enemy lines and then have them attack from the other side might work. The problem would be if they turn and join the enemy. There would need to be a psych evaluation and all, maybe some of the actual soldiers locked up in military prisons would be better? They might be are already trained and less likely to switch sides...

lulu24's photo
Tue 08/09/11 03:56 PM



I strongly oppose the death penalty
same here, in all cases.

i'm pro-life in every aspect of life.

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/09/11 04:06 PM




I strongly oppose the death penalty
same here, in all cases.

i'm pro-life in every aspect of life.



me too, It always comes back to when one views 'life' as valuable

I know people anti death penalty but pro abortion,, they feel our life once we are out the womb is more valubable than lfe in the womb


I know people anti death penalty but pro assisted suicide, they feel life outside the womb is valuable only as long as the person has 'quality of life'


than, others who 'across the board' as you and I , who just dont condone the premeditated taking of a life


(with the exception of 'pulling the plug' on those that would not otherwise have any chance to 'live' without being sedentary and hooked to machines'

lulu24's photo
Tue 08/09/11 07:19 PM





I strongly oppose the death penalty
same here, in all cases.

i'm pro-life in every aspect of life.



me too, It always comes back to when one views 'life' as valuable

I know people anti death penalty but pro abortion,, they feel our life once we are out the womb is more valubable than lfe in the womb


I know people anti death penalty but pro assisted suicide, they feel life outside the womb is valuable only as long as the person has 'quality of life'


than, others who 'across the board' as you and I , who just dont condone the premeditated taking of a life


(with the exception of 'pulling the plug' on those that would not otherwise have any chance to 'live' without being sedentary and hooked to machines'
i agree on the last, as well...even though my family would kill me for saying it.

the value of life is also important. if someone is in incredible suffering ant at the end...yes, let them go.

i know many who are anti-death-penalty and pro-choice (democratic) or anti-abortion and pro-death-penalty (republican). i've never been able to figure out how someone could be either one of those scenarios, as, in my mind, they both completely contradict.

i'm even vegetarian. i respect all life.

lulu24's photo
Tue 08/09/11 07:25 PM

many people deserve the death penalty but until government can hand it out in a much less arbitrary fashion i'm against it. i won't go into the detterence or innocent put to death arguement but i find it absurd that a man can drive from LA to las vegas, kill his wife and be subject to the death penalty when if he'd waited until he got back home to california the death penalty would not be in play with the moritorium in place now.

oj was on trial when california had the death penalty but the prosecutors did not put it in play because they knew they'd never get a jury to give the juice to the juice. of course he had the dream team to boot. at the same time in a courtroom down the hall a teen was on trial for murdering a rival gang member with a public defender for council. he now sits on death row in san quinten. so here we have oj who murdered two law abiding people who could not have been given the death penalty by his jury even if he'd been convicted and a kid who'll soon die because he took a crook off the street. either it is about EQUAL due process of law or it's not.

as regards the innocent dieing, i'd suggest reading john gisham's 'an innocent man' his only non fiction court drama. in a small oklahoma town a young woman was brutally raped and murdered. she was the daughter of an influential business man and pillar of the community and the district attorny, the sherrif and the judge who'd try the case were all up for re-election. the town was crying for an arrest so they invented a perp, tried him with faulty evidence, convicted him and he sat on death row for twelve years before barry schek of oj dream team fame and founder of the innocence project got him off as the first innocent man exonerated with dna. the guy was a minor league ball player with major legue prospects when he was arrested and died of poor health in his fifties having succumed to various nervous dissorders.
my father was wrongly convicted and imprisoned. i stand to become a wealthy woman because of this.

jrbogie's photo
Tue 08/09/11 07:32 PM
Edited by jrbogie on Tue 08/09/11 07:33 PM



I know people anti death penalty but pro abortion,, they feel our life once we are out the womb is more valubable than lfe in the womb



i agree that aborting a fetus is highly immoral but i wouldn't say that someone who doesn't want government involved in a woman's body is necessarily 'pro abortion'. i think the court got roe v wade right but i'd loath a woman who'd make such a choice other than for her own health. i hear often right to lifers saying that they are against abortion except in cases of rape and incest. how moral is that thinking? is not a fetus concieved by rape or incest just as innocent as a fetus concieved by an unwed teen or through an affair?

luv2roknroll's photo
Wed 08/10/11 12:19 PM




I know people anti death penalty but pro abortion,, they feel our life once we are out the womb is more valubable than lfe in the womb



i agree that aborting a fetus is highly immoral but i wouldn't say that someone who doesn't want government involved in a woman's body is necessarily 'pro abortion'. i think the court got roe v wade right but i'd loath a woman who'd make such a choice other than for her own health. i hear often right to lifers saying that they are against abortion except in cases of rape and incest. how moral is that thinking? is not a fetus concieved by rape or incest just as innocent as a fetus concieved by an unwed teen or through an affair?
So if a woman is raped, and becomes pregnant as a result of it, should she be forced to have the child? Maybe you believe that, because you are a man, and dont have to ever really think about getting raped(it happens FAR less to men, than women) or becoming pregnant. Just sayin.

jrbogie's photo
Wed 08/10/11 02:22 PM





I know people anti death penalty but pro abortion,, they feel our life once we are out the womb is more valubable than lfe in the womb



i agree that aborting a fetus is highly immoral but i wouldn't say that someone who doesn't want government involved in a woman's body is necessarily 'pro abortion'. i think the court got roe v wade right but i'd loath a woman who'd make such a choice other than for her own health. i hear often right to lifers saying that they are against abortion except in cases of rape and incest. how moral is that thinking? is not a fetus concieved by rape or incest just as innocent as a fetus concieved by an unwed teen or through an affair?
So if a woman is raped, and becomes pregnant as a result of it, should she be forced to have the child? Maybe you believe that, because you are a man, and dont have to ever really think about getting raped(it happens FAR less to men, than women) or becoming pregnant. Just sayin.


never said i believe that. in fact what i said was that the government should stay out of a woman's right to chose. said i agree that the court got roe v wade right. just saying that a woman who was raped and aborts the child stands on no higher moral ground than a woman who had an affair if she chooses to abort. abusrd to suggest that men getting raped far less than men have anything to do with a woman's right to choose. roe is the law of the land and i think it's just but i would hold a woman who aborts a fetus for any reason other than risk to her health, including rape or incest, is doing an injust disservice to the potential child.

oldhippie1952's photo
Wed 08/10/11 02:27 PM


I think that instead of the death penalty (in most cases) or life in prison they should be sent over to Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. Instead of the taxpayers paying for them to sit around doing nothing (or getting juiced), they should be put to work to 'earn their keeps'. Besides, who do you think would be more 'fit' to be in war, some 18-19 y/o KID or an experienced killer?



having been in combat in vietnam i think i'm capable of saying that people in combat need to rely on there fighting buddies. i wouldn't have much confidence in the courage of someone watching my back who was there to escape the death penalty or life in prison.


Ditto fellow veteran, you got to be able to rely on your buddy.

no photo
Wed 08/10/11 06:22 PM




I strongly oppose the death penalty
same here, in all cases.

i'm pro-life in every aspect of life.


A recent study found that every execution saves somewhere around 18 lives. Do you think it's possible that sometimes execution is the best way to save lives?

lulu24's photo
Wed 08/10/11 06:29 PM





I strongly oppose the death penalty
same here, in all cases.

i'm pro-life in every aspect of life.


A recent study found that every execution saves somewhere around 18 lives. Do you think it's possible that sometimes execution is the best way to save lives?
do i think it's possible? maybe...but that still doesn't make it right or acceptable.

i mourn the loss of life, the loss of connection...i feel for the ones left behind. AND i think it's a slippery slope. it's been proven that innocent people have been put to death.

it's also barbaric. we should be beyond such.

Ladylid2012's photo
Thu 08/11/11 09:48 AM





I strongly oppose the death penalty
same here, in all cases.

i'm pro-life in every aspect of life.



me too, It always comes back to when one views 'life' as valuable

I know people anti death penalty but pro abortion,, they feel our life once we are out the womb is more valubable than lfe in the womb


I know people anti death penalty but pro assisted suicide, they feel life outside the womb is valuable only as long as the person has 'quality of life'


than, others who 'across the board' as you and I , who just dont condone the premeditated taking of a life


(with the exception of 'pulling the plug' on those that would not otherwise have any chance to 'live' without being sedentary and hooked to machines'


I'm not anti anything...being 'anti' anything puts too much emphasis and energy on what i don't want.

I oppose the death penalty, i am not pro abortion, i am pro choice
There is a difference, and i'm not a democrat. lol

Life is sacred to me, even a bug.
I have taken a vow of non violence, which has carried over to the way i eat..vegetarian.

I feel strongly that we can never take away the right to choose.
Ultimately it IS a woman's body. If a woman does not want to carry a pregnancy to full term she WILL not, one way or another. It's best to keep it safe and legal.

luv2roknroll's photo
Thu 08/11/11 09:51 AM






I know people anti death penalty but pro abortion,, they feel our life once we are out the womb is more valubable than lfe in the womb



i agree that aborting a fetus is highly immoral but i wouldn't say that someone who doesn't want government involved in a woman's body is necessarily 'pro abortion'. i think the court got roe v wade right but i'd loath a woman who'd make such a choice other than for her own health. i hear often right to lifers saying that they are against abortion except in cases of rape and incest. how moral is that thinking? is not a fetus concieved by rape or incest just as innocent as a fetus concieved by an unwed teen or through an affair?
So if a woman is raped, and becomes pregnant as a result of it, should she be forced to have the child? Maybe you believe that, because you are a man, and dont have to ever really think about getting raped(it happens FAR less to men, than women) or becoming pregnant. Just sayin.


never said i believe that. in fact what i said was that the government should stay out of a woman's right to chose. said i agree that the court got roe v wade right. just saying that a woman who was raped and aborts the child stands on no higher moral ground than a woman who had an affair if she chooses to abort. abusrd to suggest that men getting raped far less than men have anything to do with a woman's right to choose. roe is the law of the land and i think it's just but i would hold a woman who aborts a fetus for any reason other than risk to her health, including rape or incest, is doing an injust disservice to the potential child.
Than we shall agree to disagree, my friend!flowerforyou

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/11/11 09:54 AM
IF we arent born with it,, its not 'our body'

a developing life is a SEPERATE body, it just depends for a short while on some of our physical facilities to survive much the way it later depends upon our physical efforts(feeding, clothing, loving) to survive

its different stages of a SEPERATE life and SEPERATE body,,,all equally precious (to me)

at least thats MY belief and why the 'its her body' isnt a justification by my beliefs

I understand and respect that others see it differently, and thats part of the continuum of different beliefs on the subject,,,