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I don't respect religions, I respect people enough to not mock or belittle their deeply held beliefs. I will if they will get out of my face, and stop knocking on my door.  I never get door-to-door ministers in my neighborhood, but if I did, they would get as much respect as I could give them. Probably less than they deserved if they woke me up or interrupted dinner. |
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I don't respect religions, I respect people enough to not mock or belittle their deeply held beliefs. I will if they will get out of my face, and stop knocking on my door. I never get door-to-door ministers in my neighborhood, but if I did, they would get as much respect as I could give them. Probably less than they deserved if they woke me up or interrupted dinner. I am always polite to them when I tell them I am not interested. They usually leave politely. |
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Excellent article. The concept of religion is disrespectful though because it sets the black and white false boundary of right and wrong based on ideology that is more tradition than of any use. As long as there is religion there will be the disrespect of those outside of the group of the religious. Nonsense. There are many religions which teach tolerance of other's beliefs. The problem is not with religion itself it is with ignorant and intolerant people. You should have said - "As long as there are people, there will be some people who are intolerant of others - religion notwithstanding." Of course this is obvious - so it should not need to be said. Simply because some people - religious or not - are intolerant of others does not imply that religion is the source of the intolerance. All religions that I know of teach respect of others and this should include respect of their right to approach God in their own way or to not believe in God at all. Go ahead and ask religious people, clergy, priests, imams if one should according to their religion respect other's ethical views as long as they are not hateful - I think they generally will say that one should respect others - including their religious beliefs. (That is to say respect their right to their own beliefs and path with God - Not to mean that you have to believe personally what anyone else believes in all details of course)  Of course you are believing your own nonsense now though. If the concept of right and wrong is absolute as it is in religions based on smoke and mirrors to boot. If you share the belief, you are right, if not, you are wrong, there can be no respect for the wrong. They may believe or fool themselves into believing that they show respect but their belief of the wrongness of others is a disrespect within itself. So naturally it will be projected outward. The religious, speaking of the major religions that are so prevelant that they do not even see their own advantages, are one of the most disrespectful and self absorbed people you will meet. Look on these boards. They cannot help but spout off constantly about their own "rightness" and others ignorance from failure to "see". They feel superior and all knowing thanks to their delusions of grandeur. It is very disrespectful to say the least. |
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Excellent article. The concept of religion is disrespectful though because it sets the black and white false boundary of right and wrong based on ideology that is more tradition than of any use. As long as there is religion there will be the disrespect of those outside of the group of the religious. Nonsense. There are many religions which teach tolerance of other's beliefs. The problem is not with religion itself it is with ignorant and intolerant people. You should have said - "As long as there are people, there will be some people who are intolerant of others - religion notwithstanding." Of course this is obvious - so it should not need to be said. Simply because some people - religious or not - are intolerant of others does not imply that religion is the source of the intolerance. All religions that I know of teach respect of others and this should include respect of their right to approach God in their own way or to not believe in God at all. Go ahead and ask religious people, clergy, priests, imams if one should according to their religion respect other's ethical views as long as they are not hateful - I think they generally will say that one should respect others - including their religious beliefs. (That is to say respect their right to their own beliefs and path with God - Not to mean that you have to believe personally what anyone else believes in all details of course) Of course you are believing your own nonsense now though. If the concept of right and wrong is absolute as it is in religions based on smoke and mirrors to boot. If you share the belief, you are right, if not, you are wrong, there can be no respect for the wrong. They may believe or fool themselves into believing that they show respect but their belief of the wrongness of others is a disrespect within itself. So naturally it will be projected outward. The religious, speaking of the major religions that are so prevelant that they do not even see their own advantages, are one of the most disrespectful and self absorbed people you will meet. Look on these boards. They cannot help but spout off constantly about their own "rightness" and others ignorance from failure to "see". They feel superior and all knowing thanks to their delusions of grandeur. It is very disrespectful to say the least. Not so much. Religions generally accept that humans are not perfect and are not always right in their behavior. There are always degrees of rightness and wrongness and people are respected despite their failings and they are forgiven their mistakes. People are the source of intolerance not religion. Religion teaches kindness to others and respect of others and their beliefs. |
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People seem to have gotten off on the wrong track here When the OP says "respect my religion" - it means "please respect my religious choice" - not "believe what I believe please" but the op did not say "please respect my religious choice." the words used were "please respect my religion." i'm sure the kkk would like us all to respect their beliefs as well. regardless, if a god fearing person is firm in their belief why does it matter if i respect their belief? i've every bit as much right to show my disdain for religious dogma as the faithful have the right to shout their belief. That's what I said. The OP said "please respect my religion.' I don't have to do any such thing. I respect his freedom to believe anything he chooses. sorry jeannie. i quoated the wrong post. |
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Read the whole post. The meaning of the discussion is request to respect the ability of each person to make their own religious choices. Since you already have said that you do in fact respect each person's choice then you are agreeing with the OP. Fine. You respect other's right to their own choices. Good! You don't believe the same things? That's also fine. Few if any people actually believe exactly the same things. i read the whole post and the op states, "please respect my religion" a couple dozen times. if it was meant as a request to respect the ability of each person to make their own religious choices why ask that his religion be respected? i do respect a person's right to chose but that's not what the op asked. he clearly asked that i respect his religion numerous times. |
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..in order for my respect to be given to anyone or anything i would have to know more about it before i made that decision..no i will not give my respect to anything just because it is asked of me..that would make me almost as foolish as the person who is asking for it so blindly... 
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Excellent article. The concept of religion is disrespectful though because it sets the black and white false boundary of right and wrong based on ideology that is more tradition than of any use. As long as there is religion there will be the disrespect of those outside of the group of the religious. Nonsense. There are many religions which teach tolerance of other's beliefs. The problem is not with religion itself it is with ignorant and intolerant people. You should have said - "As long as there are people, there will be some people who are intolerant of others - religion notwithstanding." Of course this is obvious - so it should not need to be said. Simply because some people - religious or not - are intolerant of others does not imply that religion is the source of the intolerance. All religions that I know of teach respect of others and this should include respect of their right to approach God in their own way or to not believe in God at all. Go ahead and ask religious people, clergy, priests, imams if one should according to their religion respect other's ethical views as long as they are not hateful - I think they generally will say that one should respect others - including their religious beliefs. (That is to say respect their right to their own beliefs and path with God - Not to mean that you have to believe personally what anyone else believes in all details of course) Of course you are believing your own nonsense now though. If the concept of right and wrong is absolute as it is in religions based on smoke and mirrors to boot. If you share the belief, you are right, if not, you are wrong, there can be no respect for the wrong. They may believe or fool themselves into believing that they show respect but their belief of the wrongness of others is a disrespect within itself. So naturally it will be projected outward. The religious, speaking of the major religions that are so prevelant that they do not even see their own advantages, are one of the most disrespectful and self absorbed people you will meet. Look on these boards. They cannot help but spout off constantly about their own "rightness" and others ignorance from failure to "see". They feel superior and all knowing thanks to their delusions of grandeur. It is very disrespectful to say the least. Not so much. Religions generally accept that humans are not perfect and are not always right in their behavior. There are always degrees of rightness and wrongness and people are respected despite their failings and they are forgiven their mistakes. People are the source of intolerance not religion. Religion teaches kindness to others and respect of others and their beliefs. Not quite often times it teaches a superiority over another because of say belief in a book, or going to one church over another. That if you don't as they do and believe as they do, you will pay. That's hardly kindness and respect. |
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Excellent article. The concept of religion is disrespectful though because it sets the black and white false boundary of right and wrong based on ideology that is more tradition than of any use. As long as there is religion there will be the disrespect of those outside of the group of the religious. Nonsense. There are many religions which teach tolerance of other's beliefs. The problem is not with religion itself it is with ignorant and intolerant people. You should have said - "As long as there are people, there will be some people who are intolerant of others - religion notwithstanding." Of course this is obvious - so it should not need to be said. Simply because some people - religious or not - are intolerant of others does not imply that religion is the source of the intolerance. All religions that I know of teach respect of others and this should include respect of their right to approach God in their own way or to not believe in God at all. Go ahead and ask religious people, clergy, priests, imams if one should according to their religion respect other's ethical views as long as they are not hateful - I think they generally will say that one should respect others - including their religious beliefs. (That is to say respect their right to their own beliefs and path with God - Not to mean that you have to believe personally what anyone else believes in all details of course) Of course you are believing your own nonsense now though. If the concept of right and wrong is absolute as it is in religions based on smoke and mirrors to boot. If you share the belief, you are right, if not, you are wrong, there can be no respect for the wrong. They may believe or fool themselves into believing that they show respect but their belief of the wrongness of others is a disrespect within itself. So naturally it will be projected outward. The religious, speaking of the major religions that are so prevelant that they do not even see their own advantages, are one of the most disrespectful and self absorbed people you will meet. Look on these boards. They cannot help but spout off constantly about their own "rightness" and others ignorance from failure to "see". They feel superior and all knowing thanks to their delusions of grandeur. It is very disrespectful to say the least. Not so much. Religions generally accept that humans are not perfect and are not always right in their behavior. There are always degrees of rightness and wrongness and people are respected despite their failings and they are forgiven their mistakes. People are the source of intolerance not religion. Religion teaches kindness to others and respect of others and their beliefs. Not quite often times it teaches a superiority over another because of say belief in a book, or going to one church over another. That if you don't as they do and believe as they do, you will pay. That's hardly kindness and respect. Yeah - I hear that all the time from Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and Catholics. If you don't go to our Mosque, Synagogue, Temple or Church then you are wrong and you will be made to PAY. The Presbyterians and Lutherans and especially the Unitarians and Quakers are notorious for punishing those who go to a different church than they do. I wish they would outlaw the public canings. Not. |
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Kleisto
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Excellent article. The concept of religion is disrespectful though because it sets the black and white false boundary of right and wrong based on ideology that is more tradition than of any use. As long as there is religion there will be the disrespect of those outside of the group of the religious. Nonsense. There are many religions which teach tolerance of other's beliefs. The problem is not with religion itself it is with ignorant and intolerant people. You should have said - "As long as there are people, there will be some people who are intolerant of others - religion notwithstanding." Of course this is obvious - so it should not need to be said. Simply because some people - religious or not - are intolerant of others does not imply that religion is the source of the intolerance. All religions that I know of teach respect of others and this should include respect of their right to approach God in their own way or to not believe in God at all. Go ahead and ask religious people, clergy, priests, imams if one should according to their religion respect other's ethical views as long as they are not hateful - I think they generally will say that one should respect others - including their religious beliefs. (That is to say respect their right to their own beliefs and path with God - Not to mean that you have to believe personally what anyone else believes in all details of course) Of course you are believing your own nonsense now though. If the concept of right and wrong is absolute as it is in religions based on smoke and mirrors to boot. If you share the belief, you are right, if not, you are wrong, there can be no respect for the wrong. They may believe or fool themselves into believing that they show respect but their belief of the wrongness of others is a disrespect within itself. So naturally it will be projected outward. The religious, speaking of the major religions that are so prevelant that they do not even see their own advantages, are one of the most disrespectful and self absorbed people you will meet. Look on these boards. They cannot help but spout off constantly about their own "rightness" and others ignorance from failure to "see". They feel superior and all knowing thanks to their delusions of grandeur. It is very disrespectful to say the least. Not so much. Religions generally accept that humans are not perfect and are not always right in their behavior. There are always degrees of rightness and wrongness and people are respected despite their failings and they are forgiven their mistakes. People are the source of intolerance not religion. Religion teaches kindness to others and respect of others and their beliefs. Not quite often times it teaches a superiority over another because of say belief in a book, or going to one church over another. That if you don't as they do and believe as they do, you will pay. That's hardly kindness and respect. Yeah - I hear that all the time from Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and Catholics. If you don't go to our Mosque, Synagogue, Temple or Church then you are wrong and you will be made to PAY. The Presbyterians and Lutherans and especially the Unitarians and Quakers are notorious for punishing those who go to a different church than they do. I wish they would outlaw the public canings. Not. Laugh all you want, but these religions use God as a tool to gain obedience from followers. Doesn't matter whether you believe it or not, it is a fact. And the people tend to follow that in how they view others as well who may not believe the same. |
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Well you just don't understand religion.
You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith |
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Kleisto
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Well you just don't understand religion. You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith No I understand them very well, you don't, or deny the things they do that are clear to others. Regardless of what people do, they get the ideas from the religion and what it teaches. If Christianity didn't denounce gay marriage for example, would it be an issue? I think not. If the Muslim law didn't require women to be covered, would they? Not a chance. So it all goes together, like it or not. |
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We are often asked to "respect people's religions." In the first place, many religious ideas are very disrespectful to human beings and are not worthy of respect. Secondly, what about people respecting our religion in return? The word "religion" comes from the Latin noun religio, which means, among other things, "scrupulousness" or "conscientiousness." In my perspective of reality, I endeavor to be extremely scrupulous and conscientious. Hence, one could call me "religious" and my perspective "religion." My religion does not call people "infidels," "heretics," "goyim," "heathens" or "sinners," who are "other" and "alien," unlike us and worthy of contempt, exploitation or worse. Please respect my religion. My religion does not call for nonbelievers to be derogated, hated, subjugated or enslaved. Please respect my religion. My religion has no giant, anthropomorphized, male God in the sky, somewhere "out there" separate and apart from humanity who dictates our every waking moment. Please respect my religion. My religion says there are no divinely revealed facts straight from the mouth of God that represent the "one true faith." Please respect my religion. My religion does not ask people to believe blindly and without scientific evidence in supernatural "saviors," "prophets" or "avatars" of a particular ethnicity or culture. Please respect my religion. My religion objects to so-called holy texts full of violence, brutality and cruelty. Please respect my religion. My religion prohibits the murder of women and girls in order to "protect honor." Please respect my religion. My religion prohibits child marriages and other forced marriages. Please respect my religion. My religion objects to forcing people to cover up simply because they have genitals of a particular gender. Please respect my religion. My religion objects to gender apartheid, in which men and women are segregated purely because of their genitals. Please respect my religion. My religion prohibits the genitals of children of either gender from being mutilated because of "religious" dictates. Please respect my religion. My religion is based on consciousness, not genitalia. Please respect my religion. My religion values scientific observation and humane morals, not superstitious belief and violent fanaticism. Please respect my religion. My religion does not allow for death or other punishment for apostasy or blasphemy, etc. Please respect my religion. My religion opposes invasion, rape and robbery in the name of a god. Please respect my religion. My religion prohibits beheading or otherwise murdering living, breathing human beings in order to defend it from "insults." Please respect my religion. My religion values life more than death and prohibits killing in its name. Please respect my religion. My religion does not allow for hand amputations for theft or stonings and hangings for adultery. Please respect my religion. My religion prohibits homosexuals from being hanged or otherwise murdered simply because of their sexual orientation. Please respect my religion. My religion treats children with kindness, love and affection, not beating them and teaching them hatred of others. Please respect my religion. My religion does not require prayer, once, five times or any other amount per day. Please respect my religion. My religion is not interested in mind control, so what you do within the privacy of your own mind is up to you, but my religion says that disrupting the public square and workplace for prayer is antisocial, aggressive and obnoxious. Please respect my religion. My religion objects to loud ringing of bells and shouting through loudspeakers, tormenting neighbors and causing divisiveness. Please respect my religion. My religion exhorts people to expose and speak out against oppression, censorship, human-rights violations and animal abuse wherever they may be found, in whatever culture or country and practiced by whatever ethnicity or religion. Please respect my religion. My religion calls for people to object to religious beliefs that are vicious, hateful, sexist and violent, regardless of the religion, faith, sect or cult. Please respect my religion. My religion calls for dignity and respect for the individual, who is free to believe or disbelieve at any given moment, as opposed to being forced to adhere to a particular religion through threats of violence and hellfire. Please respect my religion. My religion encourages singing, dancing, joy and general freedom to love life. Please respect my religion. Written by Acharya S. I think people could do well to just end at 'respect' it matters not where peoples values and beliefs come from, or where people ASSUME they come from, they are personal and as long as there isnt accompanying ACTION which harms or offends, not really anyones business and not the sole definition of any person,,,, |
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Well you just don't understand religion. You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith No I understand them very well, you don't, or deny the things they do that are clear to others. Regardless of what people do, they get the ideas from the religion and what it teaches. If Christianity didn't denounce gay marriage for example, would it be an issue? I think not. If the Muslim law didn't require women to be covered, would they? Not a chance. So it all goes together, like it or not. gay marriage is a matter of personal opinion. there are people for and against gay marriage in every religion. not all Muslim women where coverings and those that do have a great deal of variation it is all a matter of individual interpretation and choice in ritual practices I was talking about your suggestion that religion is a tool used to control people. That is just not the case. Religion is not fundamentally a tool used for subservience to control people. In many religions there is not even any central authority. But even in those where there is a central authority it is not for the purpose of controlling people as much as it is for coordinating activities and having a social support structure. There is no punishment or enforcement in general and in cases in the past where there was punishment for disagreeing with the church it was a local political thing not something actually taught by the church which advocates forgiveness and kindness above everything else. See the Wiki definition again: Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] What someone wears or has for their holiday celebration does not define the religion. Even some of the core beliefs are often interpreted and observed differently by the individuals who observe their religion. |
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Well you just don't understand religion. You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith No I understand them very well, you don't, or deny the things they do that are clear to others. Regardless of what people do, they get the ideas from the religion and what it teaches. If Christianity didn't denounce gay marriage for example, would it be an issue? I think not. If the Muslim law didn't require women to be covered, would they? Not a chance. So it all goes together, like it or not. these are the assumptions that confuse me,, how people decide 'religion' creates values as opposed to reinforcing views that are already there,,,,,eludes me its as if noone believed anything before there was a bible, and now whatever they oppose must be because the bible says so,,,although to get a following in the first place, you would think the bible must have already been reinforcing what was already believed people will oppose sexual activities with or without a religion they will oppose incest, because they see family relations in a certain light they will oppose homosexuality, because they view gender relations in a certain light they will oppose beastiality (which Jesus never actually said was a sin and is only opposed in deutoronomy,,,ring a bell?) because they see animals in a certain light those issues would still be issues, whatver book people were reading,,, |
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Well you just don't understand religion. You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith No I understand them very well, you don't, or deny the things they do that are clear to others. Regardless of what people do, they get the ideas from the religion and what it teaches. If Christianity didn't denounce gay marriage for example, would it be an issue? I think not. If the Muslim law didn't require women to be covered, would they? Not a chance. So it all goes together, like it or not. these are the assumptions that confuse me,, how people decide 'religion' creates values as opposed to reinforcing views that are already there,,,,,eludes me its as if noone believed anything before there was a bible, and now whatever they oppose must be because the bible says so,,,although to get a following in the first place, you would think the bible must have already been reinforcing what was already believed people will oppose sexual activities with or without a religion they will oppose incest, because they see family relations in a certain light they will oppose homosexuality, because they view gender relations in a certain light they will oppose beastiality (which Jesus never actually said was a sin and is only opposed in deutoronomy,,,ring a bell?) because they see animals in a certain light those issues would still be issues, whatver book people were reading,,, Regardless it doesn't help. Oh and it's called brainwashing, your mainstream religions use the books and churches to keep people in line. Whether you believe that or not means nothing, it happens and is happening. |
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Well you just don't understand religion. You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith No I understand them very well, you don't, or deny the things they do that are clear to others. Regardless of what people do, they get the ideas from the religion and what it teaches. If Christianity didn't denounce gay marriage for example, would it be an issue? I think not. If the Muslim law didn't require women to be covered, would they? Not a chance. So it all goes together, like it or not. these are the assumptions that confuse me,, how people decide 'religion' creates values as opposed to reinforcing views that are already there,,,,,eludes me its as if noone believed anything before there was a bible, and now whatever they oppose must be because the bible says so,,,although to get a following in the first place, you would think the bible must have already been reinforcing what was already believed people will oppose sexual activities with or without a religion they will oppose incest, because they see family relations in a certain light they will oppose homosexuality, because they view gender relations in a certain light they will oppose beastiality (which Jesus never actually said was a sin and is only opposed in deutoronomy,,,ring a bell?) because they see animals in a certain light those issues would still be issues, whatver book people were reading,,, Regardless it doesn't help. Oh and it's called brainwashing, your mainstream religions use the books and churches to keep people in line. Whether you believe that or not means nothing, it happens and is happening. seems people 'choose' which line they want to keep,, noone forces them |
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I respect people religion is one small part of what inspires and motivates people, there is nothing there to respect or disrespect IMHO I respect people and their 'right' to believe what they want to believe and peacefully assemble with whomever they wish for whatever reasons they wish so long as its not criminal religion too often gets a rap for what people do or think, although religion is inanimate and can 'do' nothing itself... So a motivations should not be respected or disrespected? A pedophiles motivations should not be disrespected? A suicide bomber's motivations should not be disrespected? I dont think you really thought about the OP very deeply. Ideas are not inanimate in the sense they engage with a system. The system is the human mind and ideas are a working facet of that system. They are animated in that sense, have a life of there own via communication of culture values, and they most certainly influence peoples behaviors. A religion is no different than a set of instructions to build a radio. If the instructions are to make a bomb the religion is destructive, if they are to make a play ground they are productive. Religions teach the follows how to live, how to think, what to value, and what to loathe/hate. i read the whole post and the op states, "please respect my religion" a couple dozen times. if it was meant as a request to respect the ability of each person to make their own religious choices why ask that his religion be respected? i do respect a person's right to chose but that's not what the op asked. he clearly asked that i respect his religion numerous times. So you didn't get the part about how if another religion followed its own requests to respect it and mutually respected the OP then it couldn't burn people in the streets, or mutilate womens genitalia or a million other tragic things done in the name of religion? It amazes me the folks who defend religion by saying it is the people not the religion. On one hand the religious are more than willing to admit there religion has shaped who they are, but then on the other they will deny that this is what happens when bad things are the result. You cannot separate people from how they are raised, the whole nurture nature thing, its both all the time throughout the life if the person. You can blame the parents also, but who taught them? Keep going back and try to understand that no amount of regression explains how these kinds of ideas come about without looking at credulity. The credulity of the religious is the cause of evil in the name of religion. If every person was skeptical of magical thinking instead of accepting revealed wisdom then there would be no one convinced its ok to kill infidels and go to heaven for it. There would be no belief in demons and devils and no one burning witches. There would be no crusades, and no Jihad. We would not have Sarah Palin telling our troops their mission is from god, no GW bush telling us its gods will for us to march around the world dominating populations. Credulity kills. You can blame the people all you want, but if I made up a system of logical analysis that revolved around taking choices from a magic eight ball and had millions of follows, people would die making bad choices based on faulty understandings of reality. Now take that and apply it to an even worse set of affairs, that a person such as a mullah, or priest, or pope can speak directly for god, with revealed wisdom, untestable unchallengeable and followers will respond . . . personally Id rather the magic eight ball myself. Ultimately only reason, logic, and science should inform a decision. So long as anything irrational is in the mix IS IS AT FAULT, not just the people who mistakenly use that flawed process. You ABSOLUTELY can blame the methods for making decisions, you can blame the standards of proof, you can blame the system of decision making. I blame religion as much as the person and even more so becuase most of the time they do not get a choice in what they believe, THEY ARE INDOCTRINATED at a young age. Personally I think it ought to be outlawed to indoctrinate children. We do not allow them to make other kinds of life altering decisions, why should we allow this? |
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Well you just don't understand religion. You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith No I understand them very well, you don't, or deny the things they do that are clear to others. Regardless of what people do, they get the ideas from the religion and what it teaches. If Christianity didn't denounce gay marriage for example, would it be an issue? I think not. If the Muslim law didn't require women to be covered, would they? Not a chance. So it all goes together, like it or not. these are the assumptions that confuse me,, how people decide 'religion' creates values as opposed to reinforcing views that are already there,,,,,eludes me its as if noone believed anything before there was a bible, and now whatever they oppose must be because the bible says so,,,although to get a following in the first place, you would think the bible must have already been reinforcing what was already believed people will oppose sexual activities with or without a religion they will oppose incest, because they see family relations in a certain light they will oppose homosexuality, because they view gender relations in a certain light they will oppose beastiality (which Jesus never actually said was a sin and is only opposed in deutoronomy,,,ring a bell?) because they see animals in a certain light those issues would still be issues, whatver book people were reading,,, Regardless it doesn't help. Oh and it's called brainwashing, your mainstream religions use the books and churches to keep people in line. Whether you believe that or not means nothing, it happens and is happening. seems people 'choose' which line they want to keep,, noone forces them But the question is, how much of their "choice" is effected by what they are told? If you're told God expects such and such of you, and you'll go to hell if you don't do it, where does that leave much room for a free thinking choice? Short answer, it doesn't. |
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