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Topic: Please respect my religion . . .
s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Thu 12/29/11 03:16 PM
People seem to have gotten off on the wrong track here When the OP says "respect my religion" - it means "please respect my religious choice" - not "believe what I believe please" No one is asking anyone in this thread to validate someone else's religious beliefs! OP just requests respect of his right to choose his own observances and beliefs. No one here has said that they don't respect each other's right to their own religious observance. So it is just more name calling regarding the relative virtues or evils of one set of religious beliefs over another. How novel!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 12/29/11 04:33 PM
People seem to have gotten off on the wrong track here When the OP says "respect my religion" - it means "please respect my religious choice" - not "believe what I believe please" I think you should read the O.P. again.

jrbogie Joined Sat 03/01/08 Posts: 2490	Thu 01/05/12 06:23 AM Edited by jrbogie on Thu 01/05/12 06:29 AM
I said "Will jr deny believing the words he wrote?", not "Will jr deny believing he wrote the words?" In other words, do you assert that the bolded statement is true? i assert that i made the statement. And what "proof" do you offer for the above bolded words? i offer no proof. simply expressed my thoughts. Well, it's been a week and jr has no proof of his concept whatsoever. It looks like "Bullchit!" was the correct call. We can also add delusional to the list according to jr's definition. hahahaha. been delivering a sailboat to the carribean. no wifi offshore. some of us have a life outside the forums, you see. yes, i accept my definition of "delusion." It is delusional to dismiss personal as well as written testimony out of fear of being perceived as wrong in public. i suppose, but i've no fear of being perceived as wrong in public. couldn't care less what the public thinks. something like eighty five percent of americans fear god and i find it quite easy to dissmiss their testimony just as i dissmiss the testimony of a kkk klansman who testifies that whites are a superior race. simple really.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Thu 01/05/12 07:06 AM
I am beginning to slowly understand more and more Satre's statement: Hell is other people.

jrbogie Joined Sat 03/01/08 Posts: 2490	Thu 01/05/12 04:43 PM Edited by jrbogie on Thu 01/05/12 04:45 PM
People seem to have gotten off on the wrong track here When the OP says "respect my religion" - it means "please respect my religious choice" - not "believe what I believe please" but the op did not say "please respect my religious choice." the words used were "please respect my religion." i'm sure the kkk would like us all to respect their beliefs as well. regardless, if a god fearing person is firm in their belief why does it matter if i respect their belief? i've every bit as much right to show my disdain for religious dogma as the faithful have the right to shout their belief.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 01/05/12 06:01 PM
People seem to have gotten off on the wrong track here When the OP says "respect my religion" - it means "please respect my religious choice" - not "believe what I believe please" but the op did not say "please respect my religious choice." the words used were "please respect my religion." i'm sure the kkk would like us all to respect their beliefs as well. regardless, if a god fearing person is firm in their belief why does it matter if i respect their belief? i've every bit as much right to show my disdain for religious dogma as the faithful have the right to shout their belief. ------------------------- That's what I said. The OP said "please respect my religion.' I don't have to do any such thing. I respect his freedom to believe anything he chooses.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Thu 01/05/12 07:25 PM
People seem to have gotten off on the wrong track here When the OP says "respect my religion" - it means "please respect my religious choice" - not "believe what I believe please" but the op did not say "please respect my religious choice." the words used were "please respect my religion." i'm sure the kkk would like us all to respect their beliefs as well. regardless, if a god fearing person is firm in their belief why does it matter if i respect their belief? i've every bit as much right to show my disdain for religious dogma as the faithful have the right to shout their belief. ------------------------- That's what I said. The OP said "please respect my religion.' I don't have to do any such thing. I respect his freedom to believe anything he chooses. But what was meant by those words was: "please respect my religious choice" - NOT "believe what I believe please" No one is asking anyone in this thread to validate someone else's religious beliefs! Otherwise it would have been the "Please believe like I do" thread. Which it isn't.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 01/05/12 07:29 PM
"Please respect my religion." Does not mean: Please respect my religious choice. If you believe that, I am beginning to understand why your views are so totally skewed and wrong.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Thu 01/05/12 07:47 PM
Read the whole post. The meaning of the discussion is request to respect the ability of each person to make their own religious choices. Since you already have said that you do in fact respect each person's choice then you are agreeing with the OP. Fine. You respect other's right to their own choices. Good! You don't believe the same things? That's also fine. Few if any people actually believe exactly the same things.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 01/05/12 07:51 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 01/05/12 07:51 PM
It still says "Please respect my religion." Sorry I don't respect your religion. I only respect your right to believe what you want. Not the same thing.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Thu 01/05/12 08:07 PM
Excellent article. The concept of religion is disrespectful though because it sets the black and white false boundary of right and wrong based on ideology that is more tradition than of any use. As long as there is religion there will be the disrespect of those outside of the group of the religious.

5apphire Joined Fri 11/11/11 Posts: 462	Fri 01/06/12 04:34 AM
If more people respected others' right to worship and believe what they want, and less people tried to indoctrinate others to their beliefs, the world would be in a much better state.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Fri 01/06/12 04:44 AM
Excellent article. The concept of religion is disrespectful though because it sets the black and white false boundary of right and wrong based on ideology that is more tradition than of any use. As long as there is religion there will be the disrespect of those outside of the group of the religious. Nonsense. There are many religions which teach tolerance of other's beliefs. The problem is not with religion itself it is with ignorant and intolerant people. You should have said - "As long as there are people, there will be some people who are intolerant of others - religion notwithstanding." Of course this is obvious - so it should not need to be said. Simply because some people - religious or not - are intolerant of others does not imply that religion is the source of the intolerance. All religions that I know of teach respect of others and this should include respect of their right to approach God in their own way or to not believe in God at all. Go ahead and ask religious people, clergy, priests, imams if one should according to their religion respect other's ethical views as long as they are not hateful - I think they generally will say that one should respect others - including their religious beliefs. (That is to say respect their right to their own beliefs and path with God - Not to mean that you have to believe personally what anyone else believes in all details of course)

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Fri 01/06/12 06:12 AM Edited by RKISIT on Fri 01/06/12 06:24 AM
True people can believe what they want but the truth is man created god and the universe created man.As i have stated before which is more realistic?A supreme mythological being creating everything in 6 days 6,000 years ago or the universe doing it's job for billions of years which in turn life resulted. Then theres the biggest issue"Where did the universe come from?" don't know but God couldn't have done it because Man wasn't around to create him yet. But if people find peace and serenity through the belief of a book about myth then go for it,i can't argue that point.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 01/06/12 07:43 AM
Excellent article. The concept of religion is disrespectful though because it sets the black and white false boundary of right and wrong based on ideology that is more tradition than of any use. As long as there is religion there will be the disrespect of those outside of the group of the religious. as long as there are human beings there will be disrespect of differences and confusion between being different and being better or worse than others,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 01/06/12 07:44 AM
Excellent article. The concept of religion is disrespectful though because it sets the black and white false boundary of right and wrong based on ideology that is more tradition than of any use. As long as there is religion there will be the disrespect of those outside of the group of the religious. Nonsense. There are many religions which teach tolerance of other's beliefs. The problem is not with religion itself it is with ignorant and intolerant people. You should have said - "As long as there are people, there will be some people who are intolerant of others - religion notwithstanding." Of course this is obvious - so it should not need to be said. Simply because some people - religious or not - are intolerant of others does not imply that religion is the source of the intolerance. All religions that I know of teach respect of others and this should include respect of their right to approach God in their own way or to not believe in God at all. Go ahead and ask religious people, clergy, priests, imams if one should according to their religion respect other's ethical views as long as they are not hateful - I think they generally will say that one should respect others - including their religious beliefs. (That is to say respect their right to their own beliefs and path with God - Not to mean that you have to believe personally what anyone else believes in all details of course) thank you its how I feel about drinking, it doesnt 'make' people do what was not already in them to do neither does religion,,the issue is people, not religion

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 01/06/12 08:33 AM
One of my gods carries a hammer and another has a patch over his eye, most just can't seem to come to grips with this LOL

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 01/06/12 08:46 AM
this part bothers me: My religion does not ask people to believe blindly and without scientific evidence in supernatural "saviors," "prophets" or "avatars" of a particular ethnicity or culture. science relies on evidence, religion relies on faith. to have proof would require no faith. even the religion described here would demand a certain amout of faith, only that faith is placed in a mind set rather than a god, prophet or savior with no evidence as to the right or wrong of its premise. Science depends on faith on our part as well. Have you specifically redone the experiments to come to the conclusion on Scientific facts to verify their truth? If not, the "fact" scientists put out are taken on faith on a regular persons' behalf. science does not depend on faith whatsoever and scientists do not put out facts. scientists do not BELIEVE in a theory as the faithful BELIEVE in god. indeed the scientific method requires that science question every theory put forward by testing evidence that supports the theory to see if it produces repeatable and predictable results. religion does not allow for such testing, one because there is no evidence to be tested and two, because the faithful have been indoctrinated not to question god. Science is directly based on faith, that doesn't invalidate Science, we often have good reasons to justify our faith. 1) Constants are assumed to be constant, while we have no proof of that. Einstein's theory of Relativity hinges on the assumption that the speed of light is constant, an assumption for which we have no proof and must take at faith. 2) The belief in Philosophical Materialism (the universe is composed of matter and energy without an supernatural component) is taken at faith. 3) The belief in an external reality that we can perceive is taken at faith. There is absolutely no evidence that proves that anyone or anything exists beyond yourself under the influence of a powerful delusion. 4) The idea that the Universe is comprehensible through empirical observation, and can often be described through mathematics, is based on faith. 5) The scientific method cannot be independently verified, therefore we take it in faith that the scientific method is sound.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 01/06/12 08:48 AM
I don't respect religions, I respect people enough to not mock or belittle their deeply held beliefs.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 01/06/12 11:32 AM
I don't respect religions, I respect people enough to not mock or belittle their deeply held beliefs. I will if they will get out of my face, and stop knocking on my door.