Topic: Please respect my religion . . .
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Sat 01/21/12 09:24 PM

We are often asked to "respect people's religions." In the first place, many religious ideas are very disrespectful to human beings and are not worthy of respect. Secondly, what about people respecting our religion in return?


Religious ideas are disrespectful to one another and are not worthy of respect...

Interesting statement since you just asked for respect for your own.


The word "religion" comes from the Latin noun religio, which means, among other things, "scrupulousness" or "conscientiousness." In my perspective of reality, I endeavor to be extremely scrupulous and conscientious. Hence, one could call me "religious" and my perspective "religion."


I was to believe that 'religio' by itself simply meant "religion" unless compounded with something. Scrupulousness?

For example: Cujus Religio - "His or her religion"



My religion does not call people "infidels," "heretics," "goyim," "heathens" or "sinners," who are "other" and "alien," unlike us and worthy of contempt, exploitation or worse.

Please respect my religion.



Really? It doesn't? So, what religion are we speaking? I swore we were talking Christianity...

Crusaders. The Bible itself.
Why, it was there favorite words.
Of course, maybe you can slip past that by stating, 'Well we are all sinners.' That way it's not specific to one person.


My religion does not call for nonbelievers to be derogated, hated, subjugated or enslaved.

Please respect my religion.

So true. I told a priest in the Vatican once, 'I'm not swaying. Atheism is looking better than Christianity.' I was kicked out...
...of not just a church THEE church. Thing is, I was only kidding.


My religion has no giant, anthropomorphized, male God in the sky, somewhere "out there" separate and apart from humanity who dictates our every waking moment.

Please respect my religion.


Well, I'd hope not. He's dictations of our actions would be a serious course of debate.



My religion says there are no divinely revealed facts straight from the mouth of God that represent the "one true faith."

Please respect my religion.

No, but the rest are still irrelevant to a quote like,
'Worship no God before me'
'Worship no idol'
Etc


My religion does not ask people to believe blindly and without scientific evidence in supernatural "saviors," "prophets" or "avatars" of a particular ethnicity or culture.

Please respect my religion.

Then what is it asking?
If not 'blind faith', what is it?
Faith to me is like saying, 'I have no clue if it's really true or not, but I hope and want it to be'. That's what faith actually is.


My religion objects to so-called holy texts full of violence, brutality and cruelty.

Please respect my religion.


You must not have read the Bible?
Murdering the first born sons.
Mass murder.
Crucifixion and the Father who just... watched.
How do you even know what it actually objects or doesn't object to?


My religion prohibits the murder of women and girls in order to "protect honor."

Please respect my religion.

Yes, true, but little boys and men with golden sandals are OK.


My religion prohibits child marriages and other forced marriages.

Please respect my religion.

Forced no, but most die-hard Christians won't marry someone who doesn't share their belief. But, in the end, I still agree with this one.


My religion objects to forcing people to cover up simply because they have genitals of a particular gender.

Please respect my religion.

That is really stupid I must say..
How do you even choose a wife that way?
Good thing I love eyes. :D


My religion objects to gender apartheid, in which men and women are segregated purely because of their genitals.

Please respect my religion.

Yeah, leave that for politics and douches.


My religion prohibits the genitals of children of either gender from being mutilated because of "religious" dictates.

Please respect my religion.

That would be crossing the line; however, the Crusaders did it.


My religion is based on consciousness, not genitalia.

Please respect my religion.

Based on consciousness.....
That's where your faith derives from?


My religion values scientific observation and humane morals, not superstitious belief and violent fanaticism.

Please respect my religion.


My comment for this will not exceed past this: "lol"


My religion does not allow for death or other punishment for apostasy or blasphemy, etc.

Please respect my religion.

My religion opposes invasion, rape and robbery in the name of a god.

Please respect my religion.

My religion prohibits beheading or otherwise murdering living, breathing human beings in order to defend it from "insults."

Please respect my religion.

*spits out his coke all over the screen*
What in the.....?
Heh.. ha... hahahaha...

The things people have done in 'The Name of God'...


My religion values life more than death and prohibits killing in its name.

Please respect my religion.

Uh-huh...


My religion does not allow for hand amputations for theft or stonings and hangings for adultery.

Please respect my religion.

My religion prohibits homosexuals from being hanged or otherwise murdered simply because of their sexual orientation.

Please respect my religion.

So, why is your community in such an uproar about gay marriages?
Granted, a little different from objecting over hanging; just curious is all.

If it holds no 'bias', they shouldn't be saying anything.


My religion treats children with kindness, love and affection, not beating them and teaching them hatred of others.

Please respect my religion.

Ah, so that's why those child molesting priests said 'I was just showing affection'. Well, least that's cleared up.


My religion does not require prayer, once, five times or any other amount per day.

Please respect my religion.

No but it does ask you pay each time you're there.
Praying five times a day does show devotion though, don't you think?
Better than the 'I'll make up for it on Sunday' frame of mind.


My religion is not interested in mind control, so what you do within the privacy of your own mind is up to you, but my religion says that disrupting the public square and workplace for prayer is antisocial, aggressive and obnoxious.

Please respect my religion.

Praying at work is anti-social?
Wow, for someone who 'demands' respect, they sure have a lack of it for others' religions.


My religion objects to loud ringing of bells and shouting through loudspeakers, tormenting neighbors and causing divisiveness.

Please respect my religion.

..you should live where I used to live.
Three churches.
Bells everyday, every 6 hours.


My religion exhorts people to expose and speak out against oppression, censorship, human-rights violations and animal abuse wherever they may be found, in whatever culture or country and practiced by whatever ethnicity or religion.

Please respect my religion.

..yet your religion is one of the offenders. Nice.


My religion calls for people to object to religious beliefs that are vicious, hateful, sexist and violent, regardless of the religion, faith, sect or cult.

Please respect my religion.

Wait, so what happened to the whole 'do-you' attitude earlier expressed?

My religion calls for dignity and respect for the individual, who is free to believe or disbelieve at any given moment, as opposed to being forced to adhere to a particular religion through threats of violence and hellfire.

Please respect my religion.

..lost in translation..


My religion encourages singing, dancing, joy and general freedom to love life.

Please respect my religion.

Written by Acharya S.


Love life?
But what is 'life'?
There are those who love violence, war, and oppression.
They love life.

Yet you object to them.

I liked reading it.
But I believe it is truly hypocritical.

Thanks for sharing.

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Sat 01/21/12 09:26 PM



I don't believe in talking serpents or talking burning bushes, but if I did, those have nothing to do with "False Dilemma Fallacies". A False Dilemma Fallacy is when fewer options are presented than are actually possible. It's like saying "Creation requires need". Creation doesn't require need, there are any number of motivated factors. That makes the statement a false dilemma.


well if you do not believe in talking serpents or bushing bushes then that means you lack faith ...that would explain why you do not follow the commands of Jesus




Another false dilemma fallacy.

"The Serpent" was a metaphor. This was Satan talking, not a snake.

The burning bush didn't speak, the burning bush attracted Moses' attention and then an Angel spoke to Moses from the bush.


Burning Bush.
Desert.
Days without food or water.
Angel appears and starts talking.

Hmm, I think they have a word for this these days...

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Sun 01/22/12 05:08 AM

COWBOY POSTED:
I for one do not lie.



COWBOY POSTED
Yes, I have lied in the past.



so is the above a lie...a contradiction...a parable ...or a metaphor?

or perhaps you were telling a metaphoric story

but whatever you claim that you were doing... this is exactly how Jesus talked and lied...

as I once said there is not one post in this forum in which you haven't contradicted youself ...the teachings of Jesus in action

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Sun 01/22/12 05:24 AM

And no using "Cowboy" is not lying.


if Cowboy is not the name on your birth certificate then it's not your real name and a form of lying ....

when you file income tax do you place Cowboy on your 1040

if the police stop you for a traffic violation are you going to say hello officer my name is Cowboy

as I said...in some shape form or fashion..."Everyone Lies" ...either to others or to themselves

this is an example of you doing both and why speaking in parables is an example of askewing from Truth

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Sun 01/22/12 05:53 AM
a religious belief is regarded by the believer as being Truth in which they "supposedly" base their life, lives and/or Death upon

this is why at that exact point in time when one does share their religious belief they at that exact point in time are violating the beliefs of another which also regards their religious beliefs as being Truth

which in reality one another is calling each other a liar

and take in note that some religious beliefs "command" their followers to spread/preach their beliefs

this is why the only way to actually respect the religious beliefs of others is to never ever mention your own religious beliefs or any religious beliefs unless it is the exact religious belief of the one or those that you are conversating with

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Sun 01/22/12 10:02 AM


COWBOY POSTED:
I for one do not lie.



COWBOY POSTED
Yes, I have lied in the past.



so is the above a lie...a contradiction...a parable ...or a metaphor?

or perhaps you were telling a metaphoric story

but whatever you claim that you were doing... this is exactly how Jesus talked and lied...

as I once said there is not one post in this forum in which you haven't contradicted youself ...the teachings of Jesus in action


No contradiction, only your misunderstanding.

I HAVE lied in the past, that's past tense.
I for one do not lie, that is current.

It's called mistakes funches. And I wasn't referring to specifically discussions in this forum, I was speaking of life in general. I have NEVER lied in this forum. I have been mistaken in this forum, and I changed my way of looking after I was shown my error.

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Sun 01/22/12 10:05 AM


And no using "Cowboy" is not lying.


if Cowboy is not the name on your birth certificate then it's not your real name and a form of lying ....

when you file income tax do you place Cowboy on your 1040

if the police stop you for a traffic violation are you going to say hello officer my name is Cowboy

as I said...in some shape form or fashion..."Everyone Lies" ...either to others or to themselves

this is an example of you doing both and why speaking in parables is an example of askewing from Truth


Why do you try to make it so personal and off topic? That's called attacking the other person Funches. No "Cowboy" is not on my birth certificate. "Cowboy" is not my name, never said it was. Only my nic name on this site. Never said or claimed Cowboy was my real name.

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Sun 01/22/12 10:09 AM

a religious belief is regarded by the believer as being Truth in which they "supposedly" base their life, lives and/or Death upon

this is why at that exact point in time when one does share their religious belief they at that exact point in time are violating the beliefs of another which also regards their religious beliefs as being Truth

which in reality one another is calling each other a liar

and take in note that some religious beliefs "command" their followers to spread/preach their beliefs

this is why the only way to actually respect the religious beliefs of others is to never ever mention your own religious beliefs or any religious beliefs unless it is the exact religious belief of the one or those that you are conversating with




this is why at that exact point in time when one does share their religious belief they at that exact point in time are violating the beliefs of another which also regards their religious beliefs as being Truth

which in reality one another is calling each other a liar


No, not true. A belief is what you believe. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, it is what you believe. And you expressing what you believe does not constitute a lie. For you are not intentionally spreading something false, but it is truly what you believe. If you believe the world is square, and you state that you believe the world is square, you are not lying even though the world is a spherical shape, for you are merely expressing what you believe.

And EVERYTHING in this forum in particular is on a "belief" level. This is not the science and philosophy forum, this is the religion forum.

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Sun 01/22/12 10:26 AM
Edited by funches on Sun 01/22/12 10:27 AM

No contradiction, only your misunderstanding.

I HAVE lied in the past, that's past tense.
I for one do not lie, that is current.

It's called mistakes funches. And I wasn't referring to specifically discussions in this forum, I was speaking of life in general. I have NEVER lied in this forum. I have been mistaken in this forum, and I changed my way of looking after I was shown my error.


yes you have lied...just recently you claim that you never took medication or went to the doctor and that God healed you ...but yet in a post a long long time ago in a thread far far away you claim that you were in a tragic car accident and voluntarily took medication

so now what do you call that?...a mistake, a lie, a parable, a metaphor, the truth, or Amnesia...

this is not a personal attack but as they say in court...you open up the door to this line of questioning when you claimed that you don't lie...er..."anymore"

my aim was only to display how you yourself lack the ability to tell the truth or have the ability to know when you yourself are in this forum lying...which is why your claims that Jesus doesn't use parables to lie should be taken with a grain of salt

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Sun 01/22/12 10:49 AM


No contradiction, only your misunderstanding.

I HAVE lied in the past, that's past tense.
I for one do not lie, that is current.

It's called mistakes funches. And I wasn't referring to specifically discussions in this forum, I was speaking of life in general. I have NEVER lied in this forum. I have been mistaken in this forum, and I changed my way of looking after I was shown my error.


yes you have lied...just recently you claim that you never took medication or went to the doctor and that God healed you ...but yet in a post a long long time ago in a thread far far away you claim that you were in a tragic car accident and voluntarily took medication

so now what do you call that?...a mistake, a lie, a parable, a metaphor, the truth, or Amnesia...

this is not a personal attack but as they say in court...you open up the door to this line of questioning when you claimed that you don't lie...er..."anymore"

my aim was only to display how you yourself lack the ability to tell the truth or have the ability to know when you yourself are in this forum lying...which is why your claims that Jesus doesn't use parables to lie should be taken with a grain of salt



yes you have lied...just recently you claim that you never took medication or went to the doctor and that God healed you ...but yet in a post a long long time ago in a thread far far away you claim that you were in a tragic car accident and voluntarily took medication


Yes I recall another discussion you took incorrectly. You continuously discuss in a manner to make the person you're discussing with look bad. You take things out of context and run with it. I said I do not take medicine for colds and stuff of that nature, and you ran off with it with my car wrech incident. When I was meaning specifically for colds eg., Advil, Tylenol, ect.


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Sun 01/22/12 10:52 AM



No contradiction, only your misunderstanding.

I HAVE lied in the past, that's past tense.
I for one do not lie, that is current.

It's called mistakes funches. And I wasn't referring to specifically discussions in this forum, I was speaking of life in general. I have NEVER lied in this forum. I have been mistaken in this forum, and I changed my way of looking after I was shown my error.


yes you have lied...just recently you claim that you never took medication or went to the doctor and that God healed you ...but yet in a post a long long time ago in a thread far far away you claim that you were in a tragic car accident and voluntarily took medication

so now what do you call that?...a mistake, a lie, a parable, a metaphor, the truth, or Amnesia...

this is not a personal attack but as they say in court...you open up the door to this line of questioning when you claimed that you don't lie...er..."anymore"

my aim was only to display how you yourself lack the ability to tell the truth or have the ability to know when you yourself are in this forum lying...which is why your claims that Jesus doesn't use parables to lie should be taken with a grain of salt



yes you have lied...just recently you claim that you never took medication or went to the doctor and that God healed you ...but yet in a post a long long time ago in a thread far far away you claim that you were in a tragic car accident and voluntarily took medication


Yes I recall another discussion you took incorrectly. You continuously discuss in a manner to make the person you're discussing with look bad. You take things out of context and run with it. I said I do not take medicine for colds and stuff of that nature, and you ran off with it with my car wrech incident. When I was meaning specifically for colds eg., Advil, Tylenol, ect.




Cause I had absolutely no choice but to take the medicine they gave me while I was in the hospital. Heck I was in a coma for 4.5 months of it and unconscious for who know's how long. First thing I remember specifically from that whole incident was my girlfriend at the time waking me up one morning at her house asking me all kinds of question, what year it was, how old I was, ect.

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Sun 01/22/12 11:12 AM
Edited by funches on Sun 01/22/12 11:14 AM

Cause I had absolutely no choice


wow this coming from someone that claim that you have the 'Free Will" to always have a choice


but to take the medicine they gave me while I was in the hospital. Heck I was in a coma for 4.5 months of it and unconscious for who know's how long. First thing I remember specifically from that whole incident was my girlfriend at the time waking me up one morning at her house asking me all kinds of question, what year it was, how old I was, ect.


Cowboy you were even discussing with another forum member that was bipolar about his medication and how you was suffering from medical issues and decided to no longer take the medication prescribed to you by your doctor ...which mean that you were taking medication when you were not in a coma and was still going to a Doctor ..


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Sun 01/22/12 11:15 AM


Cause I had absolutely no choice


wow this coming from someone that claim that you have the 'Free Will" to always have a choice


but to take the medicine they gave me while I was in the hospital. Heck I was in a coma for 4.5 months of it and unconscious for who know's how long. First thing I remember specifically from that whole incident was my girlfriend at the time waking me up one morning at her house asking me all kinds of question, what year it was, how old I was, ect.


Cowboy you were even discussing with another forum member that was bipolar about his medication and how you was suffering from medical issues and decided to no longer take the medication prescribed to you by your doctor ...which mean that you were taking medication when you were not in a coma




Yes, and I stopped once my thinking cleared up enough to make a decision rather then just a puppet with no real thinking for oneself.

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Sun 01/22/12 11:17 AM


Cause I had absolutely no choice


wow this coming from someone that claim that you have the 'Free Will" to always have a choice


but to take the medicine they gave me while I was in the hospital. Heck I was in a coma for 4.5 months of it and unconscious for who know's how long. First thing I remember specifically from that whole incident was my girlfriend at the time waking me up one morning at her house asking me all kinds of question, what year it was, how old I was, ect.


Cowboy you were even discussing with another forum member that was bipolar about his medication and how you was suffering from medical issues and decided to no longer take the medication prescribed to you by your doctor ...which mean that you were taking medication when you were not in a coma and was still going to a Doctor ..





wow this coming from someone that claim that you have the 'Free Will" to always have a choice


See this right here is what I mean with how you "discuss" things. You personally attack them in your words. No this isn't an insult persay, but nevertheless is taking things out of context to try to make the person look bad or make it appear they are lying.

I had no choice for I was in a COMA, I was more or less sleeping, it was not ME taking the meds, I was being fed them without my doing of anything.

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Sun 01/22/12 11:19 AM



Cause I had absolutely no choice


wow this coming from someone that claim that you have the 'Free Will" to always have a choice


but to take the medicine they gave me while I was in the hospital. Heck I was in a coma for 4.5 months of it and unconscious for who know's how long. First thing I remember specifically from that whole incident was my girlfriend at the time waking me up one morning at her house asking me all kinds of question, what year it was, how old I was, ect.


Cowboy you were even discussing with another forum member that was bipolar about his medication and how you was suffering from medical issues and decided to no longer take the medication prescribed to you by your doctor ...which mean that you were taking medication when you were not in a coma




Yes, and I stopped once my thinking cleared up enough to make a decision rather then just a puppet with no real thinking for oneself.


so when you claimed that you never went to the doctor or never took medication even while not in a coma....was a lie?...

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Sun 01/22/12 11:24 AM




Cause I had absolutely no choice


wow this coming from someone that claim that you have the 'Free Will" to always have a choice


but to take the medicine they gave me while I was in the hospital. Heck I was in a coma for 4.5 months of it and unconscious for who know's how long. First thing I remember specifically from that whole incident was my girlfriend at the time waking me up one morning at her house asking me all kinds of question, what year it was, how old I was, ect.


Cowboy you were even discussing with another forum member that was bipolar about his medication and how you was suffering from medical issues and decided to no longer take the medication prescribed to you by your doctor ...which mean that you were taking medication when you were not in a coma




Yes, and I stopped once my thinking cleared up enough to make a decision rather then just a puppet with no real thinking for oneself.


so when you claimed that you never went to the doctor or never took medication even while not in a coma....was a lie?...


I never said I NEVER went to the doctor nor did I say I NEVER took medication. I said I do not NOW take meds nor do I go to the doctor. And in my car wrech I had no choice but to go to the doctor, for again I was unconscious, I did not make the decision to go.

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Sun 01/22/12 11:34 AM





Cause I had absolutely no choice


wow this coming from someone that claim that you have the 'Free Will" to always have a choice


but to take the medicine they gave me while I was in the hospital. Heck I was in a coma for 4.5 months of it and unconscious for who know's how long. First thing I remember specifically from that whole incident was my girlfriend at the time waking me up one morning at her house asking me all kinds of question, what year it was, how old I was, ect.


Cowboy you were even discussing with another forum member that was bipolar about his medication and how you was suffering from medical issues and decided to no longer take the medication prescribed to you by your doctor ...which mean that you were taking medication when you were not in a coma




Yes, and I stopped once my thinking cleared up enough to make a decision rather then just a puppet with no real thinking for oneself.


so when you claimed that you never went to the doctor or never took medication even while not in a coma....was a lie?...


I never said I NEVER went to the doctor nor did I say I NEVER took medication. I said I do not NOW take meds nor do I go to the doctor. And in my car wrech I had no choice but to go to the doctor, for again I was unconscious, I did not make the decision to go.



Cowboy ..you claimed that you never went to the doctor or took medication because you fell at the feet of Jesus and he healed you

so is that the truth or was you lying?


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Sun 01/22/12 11:39 AM






Cause I had absolutely no choice


wow this coming from someone that claim that you have the 'Free Will" to always have a choice


but to take the medicine they gave me while I was in the hospital. Heck I was in a coma for 4.5 months of it and unconscious for who know's how long. First thing I remember specifically from that whole incident was my girlfriend at the time waking me up one morning at her house asking me all kinds of question, what year it was, how old I was, ect.


Cowboy you were even discussing with another forum member that was bipolar about his medication and how you was suffering from medical issues and decided to no longer take the medication prescribed to you by your doctor ...which mean that you were taking medication when you were not in a coma




Yes, and I stopped once my thinking cleared up enough to make a decision rather then just a puppet with no real thinking for oneself.


so when you claimed that you never went to the doctor or never took medication even while not in a coma....was a lie?...


I never said I NEVER went to the doctor nor did I say I NEVER took medication. I said I do not NOW take meds nor do I go to the doctor. And in my car wrech I had no choice but to go to the doctor, for again I was unconscious, I did not make the decision to go.



Cowboy ..you claimed that you never went to the doctor or took medication because you fell at the feet of Jesus and he healed you

so is that the truth or was you lying?




Still taking things out of context my friend Funches. Yes I fell to the feet of Jesus and he has healed me, he heals me more and more everyday. By all medical laws and clinical studies, I should be a vegetable at best. But through the grace of God I have healed further then that and gaining more and more progress everyday. Heck in the past week I have accomplished to work 8 hrs a day for most of that and by what the doctors thought, I may not have been able to even walk again.

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Sun 01/22/12 11:59 AM

Still taking things out of context my friend Funches. Yes I fell to the feet of Jesus and he has healed me, he heals me more and more everyday. By all medical laws and clinical studies, I should be a vegetable at best. But through the grace of God I have healed further then that and gaining more and more progress everyday. Heck in the past week I have accomplished to work 8 hrs a day for most of that and by what the doctors thought, I may not have been able to even walk again.


since you were in a coma before you fell to the feet of Jesus ....then clearly it were the doctors care and the medication that brought you out ..

because if you are so willing to claim that Jesus is the one that healed you then why not claim that it was also Jesus that caused you to be in the accident

but anyway...all I know is that you claimed that you "never" went to the doctor and "never" took medication because you felled at the feet of Jesus and he healed you.....but now we find out that this is not the truth

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Sun 01/22/12 12:09 PM


Still taking things out of context my friend Funches. Yes I fell to the feet of Jesus and he has healed me, he heals me more and more everyday. By all medical laws and clinical studies, I should be a vegetable at best. But through the grace of God I have healed further then that and gaining more and more progress everyday. Heck in the past week I have accomplished to work 8 hrs a day for most of that and by what the doctors thought, I may not have been able to even walk again.


since you were in a coma before you fell to the feet of Jesus ....then clearly it were the doctors care and the medication that brought you out ..

because if you are so willing to claim that Jesus is the one that healed you then why not claim that it was also Jesus that caused you to be in the accident

but anyway...all I know is that you claimed that you "never" went to the doctor and "never" took medication because you felled at the feet of Jesus and he healed you.....but now we find out that this is not the truth


Not true, for again you continuously take things out of context. In that car wrech I had no choice but to go to the hospital. I was unconscious and they just automatically took me. I never became aware while I was in the hospital. Again, first thing i remember was my girlfriend waking me up and telling me I was coming back to New Mexico to be with my parents. Anything prior to that, I only know because of what my family has told me.


because if you are so willing to claim that Jesus is the one that healed you then why not claim that it was also Jesus that caused you to be in the accident


Jesus loves us, he would never cause something like that to happen to anyone or any other tragedity.


but anyway...all I know is that you claimed that you "never" went to the doctor and "never" took medication because you felled at the feet of Jesus and he healed you.....but now we find out that this is not the truth


Is still true. I personally do not take medicines. I was fed the medicine while in the hospital yes, but not specifically by my choice, for again I was unconscious.