Normally I don't wear makeup and when I do, its just a little color on the lips, not bright, and a little eyebrow pencil and maybe eye shadow.

Good grooming actually shows respect for others and that includes how you dress when you go into your job or into court in front of a judge. If you look sloppy and not groomed at all, people, including the judge and your boss, will judge you by how you present yourself to them.

Looking your best shows others that you care what they think and it shows them respect. In society, image is important whether you like it or not. I have a book called "You've got three seconds." It is a very good guide to having and portraying the proper image for your job or situation. It says the people will sum you up in their first impression by your appearance in three seconds.

I didn't used to understand this and I would do just the opposite. I am still in need of a make over for the business world, but I don't go out much since I work at home.

I do dress differently when I do process service for lawyers and the court than I do at home.

Only when I want to feel pretty.

Yeh me too.

I wear makeup, minimally, and color my hair, all so I do not scare children and give them nightmares when I go out in public.

Around the house I wear no make up.. If I'm going out, I wear lipstick and some eyebrow color.. If its a special occasion I wear the above plus powder and eye makeup..
I used to color my hair.. In my mid 30's my hair started graying and by the time I was late 40's my hair was silver.. I would color it once in a while but tired of that and just let it grow out.. It was a beautiful silver..Now it is white, really white..and short...lol everyone loves the color and I have better things to do with my money than color it! I get a lot of compliments on my hair
My middle daughter is 47 and her hair is 90% silver.. She works in a bank, wears no makeup and does not color her hair.. She has beautiful skin...and is a pretty girl..

That is normal for people who confuse their body with themselves. Or for those, who like a Venus fly-trap, try to entice their prey.

I simply bathe twice a year.

One can always tell what a hunter hunts, by the bait they use.



Oh, yeah. I must have forgot. That really IS why i colour my hair *sarcasm*. I wish people would stop making generalizations.

How many words do you know that is not a class word?

Or does every, or almost ever word you use stand for a class?

As as the word, so too language, I mean, standards are used as the coinage of construction. Standards determining a class, or as you say, generalizations?

"Cat" stands for every cat, a generalization.

"red" a generalization.

The one and the many, meaning the form and the material in a form. But no word used only one time in history, one moment and forgotten.

So, show me how to communicate without these generalizations.

More importantly, what have people like you ever contributed to the correctness of thought and expression, show me your work, feed my soul.

Occasionally I get drunk and let my best friend dye my hair or braid it. I shave....stuff. Spray on a little Hia Karate. Dress nice.

Personally, I have found, that the less you care about your appearance....the less you will be noticed. The less you are noticed,the fewer options you got when it comes to finding someone to be with. Most people are thier own worst enemy in the appearance department.

Looking good works....ask a peacock.

Then again....pigs, rats and dung beetles get laid too so, I could be wrong.

Gorgias, by Plato

Any one can enhance "appearance" but what about "reality" how many put as much effort into enhancing "reality".

A wise man once said, Judge not by appearance, but by righteous judgment.

Oh, lets "generalize that, you think I mean just Christ said it, how many in history have said it in various ways, and why? Were they all just misfits? Trolls of their time? Simply not wonderfully normal. Or not modern enough to have this wonderful understanding that it is appearance we strive for, but not reality. That the truth of things is just not flashy enough to catch our eye. We want flattery, we want deceit, we love the lie, The lie is the truth.

Well, I do spread my feathers, I do give realities. I am mind.

I donno.

I just think that not putting even the slightest bit of effort into ones looks means that thier lover had better be prepared to settle for less.

But, it ain't a big problem.....go to wal-mart and take a good long look at how many people have settled for less.

Since I don't know anyone who is "Righteous"...I am gonna stick to my shallow ways and call a slob a slob.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and every blind man has his visions.

I dye my hair because I had the best role models- Grandparents and Parents that taught me:

The way you look is your business card!

Also,wear light foundation to my face-skin, mainly because I see the difference. I feel "gorgeous" with it; OK without it.

To enhance: brush abundant hair, curl my eyelashes; bit of color on my lips and walk with gratitude.
(People notice the last...it opens doors...people happy to see me again, and again).

Role models are not something we have, but something we choose. No one can choose that which they cannot see.

The greatest door anyone can open is not one of wood or steel, plastic or glass, but the soul.

Well I think yer all beautiful...with or without it!

I have colored my hair for years and not always the same color

I wear make up but I try to apply it in such a way that it is not obvious unless I am going out for an evening or being photographed

I agree with shy_emo chick that generalizations seldom help

Grooming is important to most people and it really does say something about a man (to me) when he is well groomed. he cared enough to take the time to look nice so he cares about his appearance - I see nothing wrong with that from either gender

forgot to add "OH and i'm looking for a real man."

Sadly...all ya get is me RK.

How screwed up is that?!?!?!

Cryptic, obtuse AND vague.

Grooming...do you do it? yes or no

1. Quote inside the quote: to a point. If you progress the look to a lower level of unattraction, you get noticed again. But for a completely turned-around reason.

When Quasimodo stepped into a room, he drew more glances than her Ladiship, with all her beauty, elegance, and size of a small ship.

Yet Quasimodo and the likes of him never get laid. We are worse than earthworms and dung beetles. At least the dumb dungbeetles have some good tunes. (Dung...de-dung...de-dung... de--- dung-de-dung-de-dumm...)

2. To the outer quote: The trick of improving one's look is not so base... it is riding on the feature of memory, and believing one's eyes. You go to bed with the most beautiful partner in the world, and you wake up with the most horrid-looking one. Alcohol plays a big part in this.

If my beautiful company left each time we met before her make-up wore off, I would never know she was not quite so beautiful after all.

Deception is not wrongful as long as its true nature is not revealed to the end user.

In fact, whether you ask Plato, Descartes or Hume, we all know that the entire creation or so-called "reality" is nothing but potentially one big honking deception, except for the self itself.

You must not decieve thy self, therefore, by convincing it that it is someone else's self, or not a self at all whatsoever, but a shelf, for instance. All other deceptions are potentially okay, as long as the end user is happily never sobered up to reality, or as long as the entire reality we experience is viewed as a "remote possibility, nothing more, believed only for the lack of contrary evidence."

"Cryptic, obtuse AND vague." I wouldn't say so. I would say clear, self-evident, and precise... but debatable. Very, very debatable.

The entire story of motivation, act, wishes, desired, etc. etc. can be explained by the deterministic model, which does not permit free will, and does not permit the individual to make choices, however well equipped he or she is in her mental faculies.

The big door... hm, that may be criptic but still not obtuse or vague. It needs some showing or some proof... it is an opinion that I'd need to be given some guidance before I could make it my own. But it is a clearly stated, well-conceivable opinion.

I can't say whether I agree or not with the open door size. I can't start even to make an opinion. The statement is bigger than the door of my mind, it won't fit through, like some stubbornly huge grand piano during a move.

gimme some elements, gimme some guidance, please, to get me started on that.

Maybe it is comparing apples to oranges... that might be the problem.

Grooming...do you do it? yes or no -- I don't, but I'm Wux. An answer to this question answers something different from what John's been talking about... because grooming can be done for health reasons or social reasons, not only for the sake of looking attractive or more attractive than without doing grooming.

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Now that I had the last word, let's all please shut up about the philosophical implications of grooming. Or else I will invoke the power of the Grodthorbrungen Herba, the goddess of Forum Site Moderators.