Topic: kicking down the doors ...
krupa's photo
Sun 05/13/12 01:38 PM
Do you?

When something ain't right ...do you got the guts to stand for what is right when religion is wrong ...

no photo
Sun 05/13/12 02:29 PM
Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 05/13/12 02:49 PM

Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!



Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking


On a general note, why would they do that? What would they gain? What would be their motive?

Take Christianity for instance, it doesn't force anyone to pay more taxes, or taxes in general, doesn't give the government more power then they are/were before the religion. What is there to gain by another to "munipilate" anyone? And how can you say it "limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist?

bastet126's photo
Sun 05/13/12 02:49 PM
are you forming a posse krupa? i'm in :)

if something isn't right i would certainly stand up against it if it was being pushed on me or my family/friends. but for the most part i have found what is right for me, and i live by that, i am happy, and peaceful in my spirituality. i left religion behind long ago.

~The question to everyone's answer is usually asked from within. ~
steve miller

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 05/13/12 02:54 PM

Do you?

When something ain't right ...do you got the guts to stand for what is right when religion is wrong ...


Yes absolutely, "religion" is merely a belief. God is not religion. Only to those that do not believe is it seen as "religion". Heck the big bang theory is a "religion". It's just so widely accepted that it's looked at of a higher level then "religion". But nevertheless is a theory and a theory is nothing more then a "belief". Yes a theory has some facts to it and is what constitutes it as a theory rather then a guess, or pressumption. But again with "Christianity", there are many things in the bible that can be and are backed by an outside third party, such as certain events that have happened and so forth. There is no difference there. Some people believe in evolution, some don't. Some believe in the big bang, some don't. Some believe in creationanism, some don't. And so forth.

But nevertheless they are all "beliefs", for their is not set in stone absolute fact way we came about on this planet.

no photo
Sun 05/13/12 02:55 PM


Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!



Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking


On a general note, why would they do that? What would they gain? What would be their motive?

Take Christianity for instance, it doesn't force anyone to pay more taxes, or taxes in general, doesn't give the government more power then they are/were before the religion. What is there to gain by another to "munipilate" anyone? And how can you say it "limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist?


Does christianity require you to believe that there is but one way????
That would be a limit.
I am a Spiritual man, and I do believe in Father, Son and holy Ghost....
I too believe He is the way to Heaven......
But I do not limit my thinking to any possibility that what I believe may be......
Wrong!!!
Nor will; I allow organized religion to dictate to me what I will Believe!!
And I Do Not tell anyone that what I believe will work for them.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 05/13/12 03:00 PM



Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!



Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking


On a general note, why would they do that? What would they gain? What would be their motive?

Take Christianity for instance, it doesn't force anyone to pay more taxes, or taxes in general, doesn't give the government more power then they are/were before the religion. What is there to gain by another to "munipilate" anyone? And how can you say it "limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist?


Does christianity require you to believe that there is but one way????
That would be a limit.
I am a Spiritual man, and I do believe in Father, Son and holy Ghost....
I too believe He is the way to Heaven......
But I do not limit my thinking to any possibility that what I believe may be......
Wrong!!!
Nor will; I allow organized religion to dictate to me what I will Believe!!
And I Do Not tell anyone that what I believe will work for them.



Nor will; I allow organized religion to dictate to me what I will Believe!!


Absolutely not, God is not about religion. He couldn't care less about "religion". God cares about relation. He wants a relation with us. We aren't just some programmed robots, or puppets on a string. We are thinking human beings that obey God out of love, or disobey God out of ignorance maybe, being stubborn to God's will, or any number of possibilities.

God doesn't want us to obey him because we have to, or cause we have no other choice, or anything. God wants us to obey him out of love, out of desire to. Thus why we have free will.

Religion, or organized religion or anything of such has absolutely no baring on your salvation or death. All religion is, is knowledge of. The knowledge one possesses does not hurt or help their salvation. It is the actions that follow there of that could do either one, thus it's the relation between God and the person in question, not the person and some religion.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 05/13/12 03:03 PM




Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!



Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking


On a general note, why would they do that? What would they gain? What would be their motive?

Take Christianity for instance, it doesn't force anyone to pay more taxes, or taxes in general, doesn't give the government more power then they are/were before the religion. What is there to gain by another to "munipilate" anyone? And how can you say it "limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist?


Does christianity require you to believe that there is but one way????
That would be a limit.
I am a Spiritual man, and I do believe in Father, Son and holy Ghost....
I too believe He is the way to Heaven......
But I do not limit my thinking to any possibility that what I believe may be......
Wrong!!!
Nor will; I allow organized religion to dictate to me what I will Believe!!
And I Do Not tell anyone that what I believe will work for them.



Nor will; I allow organized religion to dictate to me what I will Believe!!


Absolutely not, God is not about religion. He couldn't care less about "religion". God cares about relation. He wants a relation with us. We aren't just some programmed robots, or puppets on a string. We are thinking human beings that obey God out of love, or disobey God out of ignorance maybe, being stubborn to God's will, or any number of possibilities.

God doesn't want us to obey him because we have to, or cause we have no other choice, or anything. God wants us to obey him out of love, out of desire to. Thus why we have free will.

Religion, or organized religion or anything of such has absolutely no baring on your salvation or death. All religion is, is knowledge of. The knowledge one possesses does not hurt or help their salvation. It is the actions that follow there of that could do either one, thus it's the relation between God and the person in question, not the person and some religion.



Does christianity require you to believe that there is but one way????


No, Christianity requires nothing. One is considered a "Christian" for the beliefs they posses. Christianity isn't a cult of some sort or anything like that. It's a title given to us by those that lack the faith thereof. We obey Jesus "Christ", thus they call us "Christ"ians.

One doesn't get the title of a "Christian" then learn the ways there of. They choose to learn of this knowledge on their own, then put it to practice, which then puts them in the "Christian" category.

Totage's photo
Sun 05/13/12 04:29 PM

Do you?

When something ain't right ...do you got the guts to stand for what is right when religion is wrong ...


In religion, right and wrong are pretty much subjective.

What are you really asking?

Ruth34611's photo
Sun 05/13/12 06:01 PM


Do you?

When something ain't right ...do you got the guts to stand for what is right when religion is wrong ...


In religion, right and wrong are pretty much subjective.

What are you really asking?


Yeah, I understand the question either.

I am willing to stand up for what's right whether religion is part of it or not.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 05/13/12 06:22 PM


Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!



Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking


On a general note, why would they do that? What would they gain? What would be their motive?

Take Christianity for instance, it doesn't force anyone to pay more taxes, or taxes in general, doesn't give the government more power then they are/were before the religion. What is there to gain by another to "munipilate" anyone? And how can you say it "limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist?


your not really asking this are you? how many preachers live in million dollars homes? what kind of cars do they drive? why do they have churches that cost millions of dollars? did you know that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? what do they do with this money?

no photo
Sun 05/13/12 07:38 PM

Do you?

When something ain't right ...do you got the guts to stand for what is right when religion is wrong ...


As a Christian, I can't think of any instance where Christianity would be wrong and I would be right.

Could you give me an example?

galendgirl's photo
Sun 05/13/12 07:48 PM

Do you?

When something ain't right ...do you got the guts to stand for what is right when religion is wrong ...


I usually just make peace with God and move forward in my own way. Judge not lest ye be judged and all that.

Yeah, I'm a weenie.

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 05/14/12 02:03 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Mon 05/14/12 02:05 AM



Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!



Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking


On a general note, why would they do that? What would they gain? What would be their motive?

Take Christianity for instance, it doesn't force anyone to pay more taxes, or taxes in general, doesn't give the government more power then they are/were before the religion. What is there to gain by another to "munipilate" anyone? And how can you say it "limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist?


your not really asking this are you? how many preachers live in million dollars homes? what kind of cars do they drive? why do they have churches that cost millions of dollars? did you know that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? what do they do with this money?


Some individual churches may do this, not denying that. But for the belief in itself on a general note does not support such a thing.

So yes I ask you the same thing, how many preachers live in million dollar homes? I know not of one. And even if the preacher does live in a million dollar home, who's to say he bought that with the money he received from charity for the church? Who's to say he didn't earn that money else where?

And what's it matter that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? What does the two have to do with one another? Did the church make the country the riches country in the world?

The church was originally set up to receive money from donations, so that it could give it back out to the public through different helpings of individuals in time of needs. If the church's are not doing that now, but still receiving money, that is by all means their own doings. Not supported by the belief in itself.

And btw, yes I was really asking the question. Why would I ask a question if I did not seek the answer to it?

TBRich's photo
Mon 05/14/12 06:10 AM

Do you?

When something ain't right ...do you got the guts to stand for what is right when religion is wrong ...



I often avoided kicking down doors and property damage (and therefore criminal charges) and used to express myself much like Martin Luther, by using well placed scatological demonstrations.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 05/14/12 11:19 AM




Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!



Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking


On a general note, why would they do that? What would they gain? What would be their motive?

Take Christianity for instance, it doesn't force anyone to pay more taxes, or taxes in general, doesn't give the government more power then they are/were before the religion. What is there to gain by another to "munipilate" anyone? And how can you say it "limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist?


your not really asking this are you? how many preachers live in million dollars homes? what kind of cars do they drive? why do they have churches that cost millions of dollars? did you know that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? what do they do with this money?


Some individual churches may do this, not denying that. But for the belief in itself on a general note does not support such a thing.

So yes I ask you the same thing, how many preachers live in million dollar homes? I know not of one. And even if the preacher does live in a million dollar home, who's to say he bought that with the money he received from charity for the church? Who's to say he didn't earn that money else where?

And what's it matter that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? What does the two have to do with one another? Did the church make the country the riches country in the world?

The church was originally set up to receive money from donations, so that it could give it back out to the public through different helpings of individuals in time of needs. If the church's are not doing that now, but still receiving money, that is by all means their own doings. Not supported by the belief in itself.

And btw, yes I was really asking the question. Why would I ask a question if I did not seek the answer to it?


i gave you an answer, in an indirect way... remember robert tilton? if you ever watched his show, he would state, on live TV, quote: "If you send me money, god will give you a better life"... most organized religions are a scam, just to make money and control the people that go to them. the control factor is they want more money, and some power that comes with it. some preachers even think they are a god to their people.

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 05/14/12 01:05 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Mon 05/14/12 01:06 PM





Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!



Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking


On a general note, why would they do that? What would they gain? What would be their motive?

Take Christianity for instance, it doesn't force anyone to pay more taxes, or taxes in general, doesn't give the government more power then they are/were before the religion. What is there to gain by another to "munipilate" anyone? And how can you say it "limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist?


your not really asking this are you? how many preachers live in million dollars homes? what kind of cars do they drive? why do they have churches that cost millions of dollars? did you know that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? what do they do with this money?


Some individual churches may do this, not denying that. But for the belief in itself on a general note does not support such a thing.

So yes I ask you the same thing, how many preachers live in million dollar homes? I know not of one. And even if the preacher does live in a million dollar home, who's to say he bought that with the money he received from charity for the church? Who's to say he didn't earn that money else where?

And what's it matter that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? What does the two have to do with one another? Did the church make the country the riches country in the world?

The church was originally set up to receive money from donations, so that it could give it back out to the public through different helpings of individuals in time of needs. If the church's are not doing that now, but still receiving money, that is by all means their own doings. Not supported by the belief in itself.

And btw, yes I was really asking the question. Why would I ask a question if I did not seek the answer to it?


i gave you an answer, in an indirect way... remember robert tilton? if you ever watched his show, he would state, on live TV, quote: "If you send me money, god will give you a better life"... most organized religions are a scam, just to make money and control the people that go to them. the control factor is they want more money, and some power that comes with it. some preachers even think they are a god to their people.



If you send me money, god will give you a better life


This is absolutely not Christian. It may have been a person claiming to be Christian doing this, but this is not supported by the scriptures, therefore not supported by God. This is an individuals scam, again not supported by the scriptures and or God for that matter.

You can't buy God, you can't buy blessings, you can't "buy" nothing from God.

RKISIT's photo
Mon 05/14/12 01:07 PM
some preachers even think they are a god to their people

It worked in Jonestown

mightymoe's photo
Mon 05/14/12 01:10 PM






Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!



Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking


On a general note, why would they do that? What would they gain? What would be their motive?

Take Christianity for instance, it doesn't force anyone to pay more taxes, or taxes in general, doesn't give the government more power then they are/were before the religion. What is there to gain by another to "munipilate" anyone? And how can you say it "limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist?


your not really asking this are you? how many preachers live in million dollars homes? what kind of cars do they drive? why do they have churches that cost millions of dollars? did you know that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? what do they do with this money?


Some individual churches may do this, not denying that. But for the belief in itself on a general note does not support such a thing.

So yes I ask you the same thing, how many preachers live in million dollar homes? I know not of one. And even if the preacher does live in a million dollar home, who's to say he bought that with the money he received from charity for the church? Who's to say he didn't earn that money else where?

And what's it matter that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? What does the two have to do with one another? Did the church make the country the riches country in the world?

The church was originally set up to receive money from donations, so that it could give it back out to the public through different helpings of individuals in time of needs. If the church's are not doing that now, but still receiving money, that is by all means their own doings. Not supported by the belief in itself.

And btw, yes I was really asking the question. Why would I ask a question if I did not seek the answer to it?


i gave you an answer, in an indirect way... remember robert tilton? if you ever watched his show, he would state, on live TV, quote: "If you send me money, god will give you a better life"... most organized religions are a scam, just to make money and control the people that go to them. the control factor is they want more money, and some power that comes with it. some preachers even think they are a god to their people.



If you send me money, god will give you a better life


This is absolutely not Christian. It may have been a person claiming to be Christian doing this, but this is not supported by the scriptures, therefore not supported by God. This is an individuals scam, again not supported by the scriptures and or God for that matter.

You can't buy God, you can't buy blessings, you can't "buy" nothing from God.


thats what i thought, but it isn't always like that... Joel Olstein bout the old Houston Rocket stadium in downtown Houston for his followers... I think he paid 50 million for it, then had it completely remodeled...

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 05/14/12 02:03 PM







Religion is a trap.
A box that limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist.
Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking.

I refuse to allow my mind to be limited!!!
I use dynomite!!!



Organized religion was intended to lead and control the masses and limit their way of thinking


On a general note, why would they do that? What would they gain? What would be their motive?

Take Christianity for instance, it doesn't force anyone to pay more taxes, or taxes in general, doesn't give the government more power then they are/were before the religion. What is there to gain by another to "munipilate" anyone? And how can you say it "limits the mind to the possibilities that truely exist?


your not really asking this are you? how many preachers live in million dollars homes? what kind of cars do they drive? why do they have churches that cost millions of dollars? did you know that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? what do they do with this money?


Some individual churches may do this, not denying that. But for the belief in itself on a general note does not support such a thing.

So yes I ask you the same thing, how many preachers live in million dollar homes? I know not of one. And even if the preacher does live in a million dollar home, who's to say he bought that with the money he received from charity for the church? Who's to say he didn't earn that money else where?

And what's it matter that the country of the Vatican is the richest in the world? What does the two have to do with one another? Did the church make the country the riches country in the world?

The church was originally set up to receive money from donations, so that it could give it back out to the public through different helpings of individuals in time of needs. If the church's are not doing that now, but still receiving money, that is by all means their own doings. Not supported by the belief in itself.

And btw, yes I was really asking the question. Why would I ask a question if I did not seek the answer to it?


i gave you an answer, in an indirect way... remember robert tilton? if you ever watched his show, he would state, on live TV, quote: "If you send me money, god will give you a better life"... most organized religions are a scam, just to make money and control the people that go to them. the control factor is they want more money, and some power that comes with it. some preachers even think they are a god to their people.



If you send me money, god will give you a better life


This is absolutely not Christian. It may have been a person claiming to be Christian doing this, but this is not supported by the scriptures, therefore not supported by God. This is an individuals scam, again not supported by the scriptures and or God for that matter.

You can't buy God, you can't buy blessings, you can't "buy" nothing from God.


thats what i thought, but it isn't always like that... Joel Olstein bout the old Houston Rocket stadium in downtown Houston for his followers... I think he paid 50 million for it, then had it completely remodeled...


Yeah, from what you have said here. He sounds like that joke people have for Preachers/churches that do that kind of thing. "Send your money to God, here's my address".

People will do evil things and use any resort they can to do those things. But the belief in itself will get no one rich, except rich with spirit.