I don't care what Moses would say. And why would he call me a liar?

because isn't it obvious that Moses didn't need Jesus to get to God ...why do you ask silly questions like that?

Apples and oranges again Funches.

Moses lived during the old covenant. In the old covenant people were saved by their works. In the new covenant people are saved by our faith in the only begotten, Jesus Christ.

now watch me make you contradict yourself and mix those apples and oranges

according to you all those that do not know Jesus like babies or those that never heard of Jesus automatically get toss into the Lake of Fire to burn

Not specifically, no. The babies will not be thrown into the lake of fire for they don't have the conscious thought to make a choice in either belief or disbelief.

If one never even heard of Jesus Christ, how would they be punished for denying him as Lord and Savoir?

not making a conscious thought to believe or not to believe is called Agnosticism

and since babies have "Free Will" they therefore have choice

and the babies that are not saved due to fault of their own or their parents according to the Christian religion are destined to be tossed into the Lake of Fire

see not everyone need Jesus to get to God ...

Yes babies do have free will, but not a conscience thought of what they are doing with that free will. They don't know what they are doing is or isn't right or wrong. Again, babies don't have a conscience thought of the actions they did or didn't do to be judged on. They are innocent. Even if a baby breaks something, they are innocent for they don't have a conscious thought on what they did.

And their parents have nothing to do with it. Your relation or lack of has absolutely nothing to do with your parents or anyone other then yourself and Jesus Christ.

No, they still need him. For it is his judgement that stands. But who hasn't even just "heard" of Jesus or Christianity as a general note? Very little to none.

if babies were innocent and can't make conscious decisions...then why do you insist that it's ok for parents to beat them? ...

what type of monster beat those that can't make conscious decision, therefore we have to assume that babies can make conscious decisions and the parents have the responsibility of guidance

therefore Christian parents have the options of beating their children into accepting Jesus or use "Forced Baptism"

this is why when it comes to the Christian religion babies are not exempt from burning in the lake of fire

Jesus never taught anything about having Final Judgement...that is something his followers dreamed up

Jesus taught and said that true worshippers worship the Father

What in the world? Now making false accusations about another? I never said it was ok to "beat" a "baby". I've never said it was ok to "beat" anyone.

POSTED BY COWBOY
It is a parents responsibility to raise that child and "teach" it right from wrong. Some people use spanking, some use others
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/329692?page=5 post 17

Yes, he did teach that we worship the Father. I never said anything different. We worship the father through Jesus Christ.

And about the final judgement -

Revelation 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
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And here is Jesus speaking specifically of the final judgment that is to come.


Matthew 25
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

since you can't spank without beating

therefore Christians parents have the option of giving their children a beatdown to accept Jesus or burn in Hell

Cowboy these quotes are from followers not from Jesus....using Revelation as an example is deception since you know that Revelation was a dream not a quote from Jesus

as I said Jesus taught nothing about him having final Judgement...he was to afraid of being stoned

A beating and a spanking are two totally different things. A beating would just be outright hitting on the child for no reason. A spanking is for punishment of something they did.

The verses from Matthew were from Jesus specifically.

a beating and a spanking is inflicting pain on a child

so therefore parents have the options of "inflicting pain" on their children to teach them to accept Jesus or have their souls burn in the lake of Fire