Topic: Death penalty or lifelong imprisonment
Duttoneer's photo
Wed 03/20/13 08:45 AM
I am opposed to Capital punishment, here in Great Britain it was abolished in 1965, and we are better for it in my opinion.

Here are some interesting points on how we treat our prisoners, compared to how we treat our old age pensioners in the UK, and an interesting suggestion

Let's put the pensioners in jail and the criminals in a nursing home..
This way the pensioners would have access to showers, hobbies and walks.
They'd receive unlimited free prescriptions, dental and medical treatment, wheel chairs etc and they'd receive money instead of paying it out.
They would have constant video monitoring, so they could be helped instantly, if they fell, or needed assistance.
Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all clothing would be ironed and returned to them.
A guard would check on them every 20 minutes and bring their meals and snacks to their cell.
They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.
They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual counselling, pool and education.
Simple clothing, shoes, slippers, PJ's and legal aid would be free, on request.
Private, secure rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor yard, with gardens.
Each senior could have a PC a TV radio and daily phone calls.
There would be a board of directors to hear complaints, and the guards would have a code of conduct that would be strictly adhered to.

The criminals would get cold food, be left all alone and unsupervised. Lights off at 8pm, and showers once a week. Live in a tiny room and pay £600.00 per week and have no hope of ever getting out. (It is not quite this bad, but I am sure you get the general idea, somethings do need to change in our society in my opinion).




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Wed 03/20/13 08:51 AM
Edited by MetalShadow6 on Wed 03/20/13 08:52 AM
If someone were truly evil, why would you want to keep a cancer alive? Death penalty should be reserved for things like rape and murder. Biblical, a murderer is to be put to death so they can stand trail before God and their accuser, which would be the person(s) they kill. However in the case of rape, statutory rape, would you sleep better knowing that if that person was imprison life long, that person can still get out legally and could start up again? There are some crimes that God commanded to have a death penalty so He could deal with them face to face.

However many people are receiving life long imprisonment for simple things like being caught for the third time having drugs on you. Lately we think by simply locking people up for long periods of time that will solve the problem. However that does not address to root of the problems.

Many crimes, people are not evil just lost or hurting. A lady down the street from me caught a guy she knows, trying to break into her barn and steal stuff. She called the cops and of course they took him off to jail and he will most like spending some time in prison. She told me that the guy had a ruff life, which his parents really were not there and he strung out on drugs. Yet the system thinks just sending him to prison will solve the problem. Even inmates can get a hold of drugs. The guy need consoling and help to turn his life around away from drugs. Much like AA helps people get off the booze and their life straight.

Imprisonment does not really punish or corrects the behavior of anyone. A few that have support of family and friends, or those wrongly accused will take what the prison system offers like classes, but most sit around playing cards and telling sex stories. They also pass stories around on how to do things like blow up a car and leave no trace.

Then you have the over crowding of prison and the huge expense the tax payers have to pay just so these guys can have food, bed, clothes, shower and a roof while they sit around working out, playing cards and watching TV. Some inmates will even run their own stores from the room. Some people now purposely commit crimes to go to prison cause they know all that would be provided for them.

Still, if you are bent on sending someone to prison and you want the in solitary confinement, that still will not work. Many gang leaders like some of the Mexican Mafia are in solitary confinement and yet they still run their gangs, recruit new people and get stuff sneaked into their cell.

The reality is that prison in not a real punishment but a means to just separate the people we don’t like or agree with from us. Many can return to committing the same crime once out on parole or even still operate from within the walls of the prisons. For the real evil person, we are supplying them with room and food at our expense, for the hurting and mislead we have turn our backs on and allowed them to become the hands of the ones that are truly evil.

Our prison has become nothing more then make up to cover the skin cancer so we don’t have to deal with the real causes. After all, is Charles Manson really being punish for the crimes he committed or should he be sent to answer for his crimes before the God of all creation? Are you comfortable with the fact that life in prison has no effect on such a man and he can still come up for parole and the victims’ family has to keep going back to court to convince the judge not to release him? After all, who says that a judge may not let him go and that he may not want to seek revenge on the victims’ families? Again, you is being punished, Mason or the fear the victims’ families have to live in and the pain that keeps being brought up?

oldsage's photo
Wed 03/20/13 09:34 AM

If someone were truly evil, why would you want to keep a cancer alive? Death penalty should be reserved for things like rape and murder. Biblical, a murderer is to be put to death so they can stand trail before God and their accuser, which would be the person(s) they kill. However in the case of rape, statutory rape, would you sleep better knowing that if that person was imprison life long, that person can still get out legally and could start up again? There are some crimes that God commanded to have a death penalty so He could deal with them face to face.

However many people are receiving life long imprisonment for simple things like being caught for the third time having drugs on you. Lately we think by simply locking people up for long periods of time that will solve the problem. However that does not address to root of the problems.

Many crimes, people are not evil just lost or hurting. A lady down the street from me caught a guy she knows, trying to break into her barn and steal stuff. She called the cops and of course they took him off to jail and he will most like spending some time in prison. She told me that the guy had a ruff life, which his parents really were not there and he strung out on drugs. Yet the system thinks just sending him to prison will solve the problem. Even inmates can get a hold of drugs. The guy need consoling and help to turn his life around away from drugs. Much like AA helps people get off the booze and their life straight.

Imprisonment does not really punish or corrects the behavior of anyone. A few that have support of family and friends, or those wrongly accused will take what the prison system offers like classes, but most sit around playing cards and telling sex stories. They also pass stories around on how to do things like blow up a car and leave no trace.

Then you have the over crowding of prison and the huge expense the tax payers have to pay just so these guys can have food, bed, clothes, shower and a roof while they sit around working out, playing cards and watching TV. Some inmates will even run their own stores from the room. Some people now purposely commit crimes to go to prison cause they know all that would be provided for them.

Still, if you are bent on sending someone to prison and you want the in solitary confinement, that still will not work. Many gang leaders like some of the Mexican Mafia are in solitary confinement and yet they still run their gangs, recruit new people and get stuff sneaked into their cell.

The reality is that prison in not a real punishment but a means to just separate the people we don’t like or agree with from us. Many can return to committing the same crime once out on parole or even still operate from within the walls of the prisons. For the real evil person, we are supplying them with room and food at our expense, for the hurting and mislead we have turn our backs on and allowed them to become the hands of the ones that are truly evil.

Our prison has become nothing more then make up to cover the skin cancer so we don’t have to deal with the real causes. After all, is Charles Manson really being punish for the crimes he committed or should he be sent to answer for his crimes before the God of all creation? Are you comfortable with the fact that life in prison has no effect on such a man and he can still come up for parole and the victims’ family has to keep going back to court to convince the judge not to release him? After all, who says that a judge may not let him go and that he may not want to seek revenge on the victims’ families? Again, you is being punished, Mason or the fear the victims’ families have to live in and the pain that keeps being brought up?



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TBRich's photo
Wed 03/20/13 09:38 AM
Death or Life In Prison? Either way I am not getting married again, because its six of one, a half dozen of the other. Oh, did I misunderstand the question?

msharmony's photo
Wed 03/20/13 09:48 PM

It's a sad fact, that in my country, prisoners get a life of luxury. They are allowed to have Sky TV, gaming consoles, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. I would actually think humiliation would be more effective, as in shaming them infront of their neighbours. Death Penalty is the easy way out.


I hardly think an hour or two of a 'privilege' per day, like tv or gaming,, is the life of luxury when coupled with life inside a 6x6 cell, an open nasty toilet, meals with basics, and the constant threat of rape or murder,,,,

I guess I have a different view of 'luxury' than others,,,so they get humane treatment sometimes and sometimes can catch a television show,, , noone can ocnvince me that this is 'too much' , in this world its still pretty basic,,,


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Thu 03/21/13 06:57 AM
They get more then a few hours out side their cell. Besides, many have stuff to doing the cell like card games, working out, sleeping, playing dominos, read books and so on. I like to know what prison have nasty toilet because the guards are require to carry cleaning supplies to the cells and let the inmates clean their room.

I knew guys that would manage to sneak and keep some Clorox bleach and cans of Lysol spray in their rooms. At Christmas time, one guy even bought up most the shampoo from the other inmates out of the Christmas package and he used some of it to mop the floor in his room. Many have used toothpaste to clean things including the walls in their room.

Many off them keep their cell clean and refuse to live like a slob. They become very resourceful with the limited supplies. They will tear apart a bed sheet to make a clothes line in their cell to hang their clothes on. Those guys they would sneak and keep bleach in the cell were big on making sure their clothes were both clean and white.

Now there was one guy that did pee all over the floor and didn’t care but his cellmates got him transferred out to another pod. They were not going to put up with him dirtying things up. It may very from jails and prison but because of human rights and the way many inmates are, the cells are not as dirty as you think.

Nyeh's photo
Sat 03/23/13 09:07 AM
Freedom or death! For me anyways lol. Isn't a life long imprisonment practically the same thing as a death sentence....just carried out really slow.

msharmony's photo
Sat 03/23/13 10:15 AM

They get more then a few hours out side their cell. Besides, many have stuff to doing the cell like card games, working out, sleeping, playing dominos, read books and so on. I like to know what prison have nasty toilet because the guards are require to carry cleaning supplies to the cells and let the inmates clean their room.

I knew guys that would manage to sneak and keep some Clorox bleach and cans of Lysol spray in their rooms. At Christmas time, one guy even bought up most the shampoo from the other inmates out of the Christmas package and he used some of it to mop the floor in his room. Many have used toothpaste to clean things including the walls in their room.

Many off them keep their cell clean and refuse to live like a slob. They become very resourceful with the limited supplies. They will tear apart a bed sheet to make a clothes line in their cell to hang their clothes on. Those guys they would sneak and keep bleach in the cell were big on making sure their clothes were both clean and white.

Now there was one guy that did pee all over the floor and didn’t care but his cellmates got him transferred out to another pod. They were not going to put up with him dirtying things up. It may very from jails and prison but because of human rights and the way many inmates are, the cells are not as dirty as you think.



all prisons arent the same, but most are not exactly a vacation

a bsically clean 10*10 room one must LIVE in with no windows and little otuside contact, eating and sleeping amongst killers and rapists, is still not most peoples idea of luxury,,,


msharmony's photo
Sat 03/23/13 10:16 AM

Freedom or death! For me anyways lol. Isn't a life long imprisonment practically the same thing as a death sentence....just carried out really slow.



I would think so , yes

death is a quick and slow suffering few moments and then peace
a life with little sun constantly looking over your shoulder,,,thats torturous,,,

oldhippie1952's photo
Sat 03/23/13 10:32 AM

If you are to be asked: what will you choose, death penalty or lifelong imprisonment. This is just one of the problems in the world. The law of man vs the law of God. The point of views of the victims and the suspects lies in your hands. Share.



You put me in a dilemma. As a free spirit I could not take lifelong imprisonment...and at the same time I don't believe in killing myself. Is there a third option?

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Sat 03/23/13 01:51 PM
I say we put all the murderers on one island, the rapists on another, and so on.....yeah like the movie--let them have their anarchy. Prison and/or a death sentence is not right... messed up is the person that thinks like this.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 03/23/13 02:27 PM
actually,it is costing more,with all those dozens of Appeals open to a Prisoner condemned to Death,than it would cost to incarcerate him for the rest of his life!

mightymoe's photo
Sat 03/23/13 02:46 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Sat 03/23/13 02:48 PM

If its just for their punishment to be releived did you not think of the victim that is supposedly been living a normal life rather than to end it immediately? If you end the suspects life, can they bring back the life of the victim?


has nothing to do with anything, if the person that killed is dead, he won't kill again, thats a for sure... i think they should do executions faster and more often...

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 03/23/13 02:48 PM


If its just for their punishment to be releived did you not think of the victim that is supposedly been living a normal life rather than to end it immediately? If you end the suspects life, can they bring back the life of the victim?


has nothing to do with anything, if the person that killed is dead, he won't kill again, thats a for sure... i think they do executions faster and more often...
i sometimes wonder what effect it really has on the Executioners!
Those that actually have to do the Deed!

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Sat 03/23/13 03:05 PM
I know someone serving LWP in Nevada. He has been incarcerated for over 20 yrs now. He is adjusted to prison life has a job there and is content. And remember there is always the possibility of a pardon.

mightymoe's photo
Sat 03/23/13 03:08 PM



If its just for their punishment to be releived did you not think of the victim that is supposedly been living a normal life rather than to end it immediately? If you end the suspects life, can they bring back the life of the victim?


has nothing to do with anything, if the person that killed is dead, he won't kill again, thats a for sure... i think they do executions faster and more often...
i sometimes wonder what effect it really has on the Executioners!
Those that actually have to do the Deed!


i'm sure there are a few others out there like me that wouldn't have a problem with it...

PacificStar48's photo
Sat 03/23/13 04:16 PM
What people want to forget is when a death sentence applies a serious crime has been committed.

What is lost in the whole process is the victims that sometimes have lost their lives or have forever had their lives altered and must have that memory in their lives every moment of every day for the rest of their lives.

Does executeing the criminal remove the memory? No but I can tell you as a survivior that knowing that they have not one more moment they can endanger you is a great comfort.

And haveing to wait while they may actually get out of jail on any number of ways or live in what is relative comfort, with medical care, education, and other luxeries I can not afford as a parasite on my life my society is am even greater crime.

And all those people who want to think that these crimes are something that are not that big a deal or that it is cheaper to just lock them up should have to spend the rest of their lives in the jail cell with these animals.

One thing you all want to know for sure is when you want to cry and whail how unfair all the overcrowding is here California, something these criminals should have to think about if they choose to continue to commit crimes, is and how we are suppose to let them out early they are moving to your neighborhoods and bringing their ways with them.

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Sat 03/23/13 04:24 PM
The goal is to remove the law-breakers from culture to preserve the culture. I'm pretty sure imprisonment and murder are illegal last I checked. Imprisoning someone for imprisonment and killing someone for killing? Is that not anti-culture?

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Sat 03/23/13 04:27 PM
I can't for the life of me, understand how it seems okay for a victim, to have the memory of it, a whole lifetime, yet isn't giving the criminal a death penalty, a good way of the criminal having to avoid what he did to them?


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Sat 03/23/13 04:34 PM

I can't for the life of me, understand how it seems okay for a victim, to have the memory of it, a whole lifetime, yet isn't giving the criminal a death penalty, a good way of the criminal having to avoid what he did to them?




You guys are still thinking along the lines of punishment. When has this ever done any good....for anything? You remove them, period.