Topic: What is nothing? Physicists debate
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Mon 03/25/13 04:51 PM
Also, "Zero" does not exist because it represents nothing.


Zero represents a complete lack of a quantity.

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Mon 03/25/13 04:55 PM


Well its your definition of nothing, I think. First simply because it can pass through you as you do not exist... it does not necessarily mean that it is nothing. Gravity is comprised of particles that pass through solid objects almost independently of it, creating a binding in either orbit, or to the surface of the body it is moving towards (often things such as center of planets) whether it is in or out of the atmosphere.

Secondly their is something that is familiar with many physicists. Which most people would consider to be nothing... it bends to large masses such as planets creating a completely invisible pockets that helps keep the planet more locked into it's orbit ( picture rolling a bowling ball across a trampoline and how the trampoline would bend into a pocket where the bowling ball was at ). This same thing is turned inside out under the pressure of a black hole. It is the pocket of space that is turned inside out where energy, planets, stars, rays of light and other debris is consumed into this pocket of space. If it was truly nothing..these things would not occur.

So even though when you say "there is nothing in there" referring to whatever. They may not be referring to a sub-atomic world that helps support physical objects and their behaviors in space.

how do you know gravity passes though solid objects? last i heard, they had no clue as to what gravity is...





One could deduce that gravity passes through solid objects as though they they do not exist because if you were to dig through the Earth gravity would still pull through the surface to the core;

Objects that are dense in the middle or hollow are heavier or lighter depending on their composition. Indicating that gravity passes through it. Pulling on the inside of objects as it moves to the core of the Earth creating a binding to its surface.


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Mon 03/25/13 04:59 PM


Well the solar wind occupies every cm of space so you do not have nothing. Maybe if we made a steel ball and vacuumed it out it would contain nothing, but I'm not sure of that either.


There is a reason why I said that nothing is a complete absence of matter, energy and forces. An area that is a vacuum can still have gravitational force passing through it.


Space is a vaccum... and gravity effects objects by pulling them into orbit of the one with the larger mass. As it passes through the atmosphere it intensifies the effects of it. Likely to bind it to the surface of the object.

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Mon 03/25/13 05:21 PM
well most physicist accept that the universe is a finite expanding brane with energy and matter inside it.Outside the brane is nothing.

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Mon 03/25/13 06:58 PM
I see nothing :)

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Mon 03/25/13 07:49 PM
Edited by sweetestgirl11 on Mon 03/25/13 07:49 PM
as usual these guys are over thinking this. I know this because my son is a physicist.

the answer is simplr...."Nothing" is what happens at school everyday according to the average American 12 y/o as reported to their parents when queried.

Example:

Mom: "What did you do in school today?"

Johnny and Matthew chime in simulataneously "Nothing!"


This hypothesis has passed rigourous retesting to repeat equivalent results numerous times and is now widely acceptedflowerforyou

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Mon 03/25/13 07:50 PM
It also apparently is what goes on behind every locked door in the world when any person (child or adult) knocks upon it.


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Mon 03/25/13 07:56 PM

It also apparently is what goes on behind every locked door in the world when any person (child or adult) knocks upon it.




especially if the door belongs to an attic, or a bathroom,
true, the definition could be expanded.

recent tests on johnny & matthew's younger brother also conclude that this is what college sophomores do all day....


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Mon 03/25/13 09:11 PM

I see nothing :)

If you say so, Sergeant Schultz.


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Mon 03/25/13 09:20 PM
I see NOTHING!! SARGENT Schultz ON YOUTUBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgcxGFmYyPs

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Mon 03/25/13 09:22 PM

I see NOTHING!! SARGENT Schultz ON YOUTUBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgcxGFmYyPs


Ah ha! Sergeant Schultz is an eye witness to the existence of nothing.

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Mon 03/25/13 09:25 PM


I see NOTHING!! SARGENT Schultz ON YOUTUBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgcxGFmYyPs


Ah ha! Sergeant Schultz is an eye witness to the existence of nothing.


He's the only witness.

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Mon 03/25/13 09:41 PM



I see NOTHING!! SARGENT Schultz ON YOUTUBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgcxGFmYyPs


Ah ha! Sergeant Schultz is an eye witness to the existence of nothing.


He's the only witness.


Actually, there is another witness.


He is the one in the middle.

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Mon 03/25/13 09:51 PM
He sees no evil.

He doesn't see "nothing."

:tongue: laugh

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Mon 03/25/13 09:55 PM
The measurement problem.

Reality is an illusion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF61lhEeGng

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Tue 03/26/13 08:40 AM


... and i'm still not clear on why you think gravity waves pass through objects...


I didn't say that gravity passes through objects.
I said, " An area that is a vacuum can still have gravitational force passing through it."

However, since you mentioned it, yes, gravitational force does pass through objects. Whenever you are inside a building, gravitational force passes through the floor(s) of the building to reach you.


huh... good point...laugh drinker

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Wed 03/27/13 12:22 PM
Edited by Mirage4279 on Wed 03/27/13 12:25 PM



... and i'm still not clear on why you think gravity waves pass through objects...


I didn't say that gravity passes through objects.
I said, " An area that is a vacuum can still have gravitational force passing through it."

However, since you mentioned it, yes, gravitational force does pass through objects. Whenever you are inside a building, gravitational force passes through the floor(s) of the building to reach you.


huh... good point...laugh drinker


Gravity does pass through objects and then some... passes through the Earth's surface till it's end point is reached at the center of a planet or whatever. The point of it is to create orbit from moons to planets. Then binds planets to stars in an orbit. Stars form a rotation around a center to form galaxies and then form a binding between galaxies. Without gravity they would just go hurtling through space

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Wed 03/27/13 12:31 PM




... and i'm still not clear on why you think gravity waves pass through objects...


I didn't say that gravity passes through objects.
I said, " An area that is a vacuum can still have gravitational force passing through it."

However, since you mentioned it, yes, gravitational force does pass through objects. Whenever you are inside a building, gravitational force passes through the floor(s) of the building to reach you.


huh... good point...laugh drinker


Gravity does pass through objects and then some... passes through the Earth's surface till it's end point is reached at the center of a planet or whatever. The point of it is to create orbit from moons to planets. Then binds planets to stars in an orbit. Stars form a rotation around a center to form galaxies and then form a binding between galaxies. Without gravity they would just go hurtling through space


no gravity would make it harder to go to the bathroom, too...

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Wed 03/27/13 12:33 PM





... and i'm still not clear on why you think gravity waves pass through objects...


I didn't say that gravity passes through objects.
I said, " An area that is a vacuum can still have gravitational force passing through it."

However, since you mentioned it, yes, gravitational force does pass through objects. Whenever you are inside a building, gravitational force passes through the floor(s) of the building to reach you.


huh... good point...laugh drinker


Gravity does pass through objects and then some... passes through the Earth's surface till it's end point is reached at the center of a planet or whatever. The point of it is to create orbit from moons to planets. Then binds planets to stars in an orbit. Stars form a rotation around a center to form galaxies and then form a binding between galaxies. Without gravity they would just go hurtling through space


no gravity would make it harder to go to the bathroom, too...


I think we could still go to the bathroom, but it might be hard to keep the stuff in the toilet. laugh

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Wed 03/27/13 12:38 PM






... and i'm still not clear on why you think gravity waves pass through objects...


I didn't say that gravity passes through objects.
I said, " An area that is a vacuum can still have gravitational force passing through it."

However, since you mentioned it, yes, gravitational force does pass through objects. Whenever you are inside a building, gravitational force passes through the floor(s) of the building to reach you.


huh... good point...laugh drinker


Gravity does pass through objects and then some... passes through the Earth's surface till it's end point is reached at the center of a planet or whatever. The point of it is to create orbit from moons to planets. Then binds planets to stars in an orbit. Stars form a rotation around a center to form galaxies and then form a binding between galaxies. Without gravity they would just go hurtling through space


no gravity would make it harder to go to the bathroom, too...


I think we could still go to the bathroom, but it might be hard to keep the stuff in the toilet. laugh


i think the aim would be a bit different...