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Topic: Cali. Jails: DVD Players/full sized refrig/nice gym/come & g
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Fri 05/01/15 06:05 PM
Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Fri 05/01/15 06:10 PM
Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price
Updated at 1:04 AM PDT on Friday, May 1, 2015

Jail isn'��t meant to be comfortable.

But in some SoCal cities, for the right price, they can be decidedly more so than for most of the general prison population, to the outrage of crime victims and their families.

On Aug. 22, 2010, Chiho Hayakawa’s daughter, Mai, was killed instantly in a deadly DUI crash. She was the passenger in a Toyota Celica that was unrecognizable after the collision.

"One of the policemen said, 'she'��s not at the hospital, she'��s gone,'" Hayakawa remembered. She also remembered her daughter telling her she loved her the last time the two saw each other.

The drunken driver of the car was Mai'��s classmate, a man named Michael Keating.

Hayakawa said Keating never apologized to her family, and then, was given upgraded jail accommodations when his family shelled out tens of thousands of dollars.

"I was so shocked," she said.

In a so-called '��pay-to-stay'�� program, a judge granted Keating permission to pay for an upgraded cell in Seal Beach after he said he feared for his life if he was sent to regular jail

Programs like the one Keating participated in are usually offered to low-offense inmates, mostly nonviolent DUI offenders.

"I feel his solution comes from money," Hayakawa said.

Seal Beach and several other Southern California cities -�� including Anaheim, Arcadia, Burbank, Glendale, Huntington Beach, Pasadena, Santa Ana and Torrance - allow inmates to avoid other overcrowded and potentially more dangerous jails by renting the upgraded cells for a daily fee.

In Pasadena, that fee is $143 per day, plus a one-time administrative fee of $64. Some of the programs even let prisoners leave for work. The Fullerton Police Department has just one pay-to-stay cell, where inmates can spend $127 a night to get their own TV, their own phone, and even their own full-size fridge.

And the cell isn't exactly high security.

"The cell itself, it's rare that it'��s closed. It's always open," said Cpl. Gabriela Soto

In Anaheim, inmates in the city'��s pay-to-stay jail program can check out their own DVD players and work out in a nice gym. All of the programs are pricey, with money going to the city. In 2014, 268 participants used the pay-to-stay program in Glendale, and a total of $63,377 was collected.


"Bottom line - if you don't have the money, you're not going to be able to stay," said Det. Laura Lomeli. But in the eyes of the law, these accommodations do not equal a lesser punishment.

"It's good people who made a mistake, made a bad choice — and they have to pay the consequences," Lomeli said.

Critics say those who need benefits like the ability to keep their job while serving their time are the ones who can least afford pay-to-stay programs.

"What a terrible idea. What a slap in the face for the concept of equal justice for all,'�� said Peter Eliasberg, legal director for the ACLU of Southern California. "If it’s a public service -�� that should be offered to everyone regardless of their ability to pay."

Michael Keating, who was intoxicated behind the wheel when Mai Hayakawa, was killed, served two years and paid a total of $72,000 to the jail to stay out of the general population.

He declined to speak with NBC4, but his father sent a written statement.

"Michael has taken responsibility for his actions, and continues to work toward building a life for himself. Besides being remorseful for Mai Hayakawa'��s death he has to carry the label of 'convicted felon' which makes it all the more difficult,"" he wrote.

But for Mai'��s mother, Keating'��s punishment is just not enough. "It's so hard because my daughter's life and his two years - it's not fair," she said.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Pay-to-Stay-Jail-Programs-Offer-Upgraded-Cells-For-Price-302079671.html


Good Grief --- that's not 'JAIL' that's CLUB MED and what punishment is that for taking a life while DUI and found guilty of it?
Only in California - where $$$ talks and will buy you all sorts of amenities! Geeze Louise!


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Fri 05/01/15 06:11 PM
So a rich rapest can live in luxury but a poor killer lives in a normal jail?

Crazy. They are there for a reason

Rock's photo
Fri 05/01/15 06:12 PM
Their state flower is an opiate. :laughing:

Nothing about Cali surprises me.

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Fri 05/01/15 06:33 PM
there was a poster on Mingle a few months ago, looking for a relationship with a woman.. When I asked why he was wearing a orange jumpsuit (I already knew the answer). He told me he was incarcerated.

So here we have prison inmates surfing the web.. looking for ladies. and nobody in the corrections department sees a problem with this

Not to mention that we (tax payers) are most likely picking up the tab

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Fri 05/01/15 06:38 PM
Michael Keating, who was intoxicated behind the wheel when Mai Hayakawa, was killed, served two years and paid a total of $72,000 to the jail to stay out of the general population.


I don't know if you all recall this case; it was called the 'Afluenza' because the judge was persuaded to be so lienant on Micheal Keating...even though he was sooooo drunk he didn't even know / remember that he had a passenger in that totaled car of his! Not that he'd been able to recognize her --- her family couldn't even identify her remains!

Ya, this 'RICH KID' got off from his vehicular manslaughter with a 2yr sentence because he couldn't have handled a harsher punishment in a standard prison and then the prison allowed 'Pay For Special Privileges' --- something wrong - really wrong here! IMHO

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Fri 05/01/15 06:44 PM
devildog stated >>>
there was a poster on Mingle a few months ago, looking for a relationship with a woman.. When I asked why he was wearing a orange jumpsuit (I already knew the answer). He told me he was incarcerated.

So here we have prison inmates surfing the web.. looking for ladies. and nobody in the corrections department sees a problem with this

Not to mention that we (tax payers) are most likely picking up the tab


OMG...guess that old saying is 2 true; it's not what we are looking for but 'what's looking 4 U'

BEWARE...there are real CREEPY HUMANS EVERY WHERE~~~


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Fri 05/01/15 09:30 PM

there was a poster on Mingle a few months ago, looking for a relationship with a woman.. When I asked why he was wearing a orange jumpsuit (I already knew the answer). He told me he was incarcerated.

So here we have prison inmates surfing the web.. looking for ladies. and nobody in the corrections department sees a problem with this

Not to mention that we (tax payers) are most likely picking up the tab


Are you kidding me? Mingle has convicts here? Like we don't suffer enough from the scammers here.

This is an outrage! What did the article mean that the programs let the prisoners leave for work? You mean they are part time prisoners???

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Fri 05/01/15 09:46 PM


there was a poster on Mingle a few months ago, looking for a relationship with a woman.. When I asked why he was wearing a orange jumpsuit (I already knew the answer). He told me he was incarcerated.

So here we have prison inmates surfing the web.. looking for ladies. and nobody in the corrections department sees a problem with this

Not to mention that we (tax payers) are most likely picking up the tab


Are you kidding me? Mingle has convicts here? Like we don't suffer enough from the scammers here.

This is an outrage! What did the article mean that the programs let the prisoners leave for work? You mean they are part time prisoners???


yes to both.

I am doing a project for work to build a new factory. I won't say where, but that state ( and others) offered as part of the incentive to pick their state,prisoner work programs ( low risk inmates or inmates with less then a year left on their sentence). We pay the state DOC a agreed upon amount and they pay the inmates, transport them ect.... but to answer your question.. yes, they are out and working.

We did not take that offer as we A) we did not think it a good business decision based on possible customer concerns.. B) we did not want the responsibility should something happen.

But, I know of other companies that have.

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Fri 05/01/15 10:03 PM

Pay-to-Stay Jail Programs Offer Upgraded Cells For a Price
Updated at 1:04 AM PDT on Friday, May 1, 2015

Jail isn'��t meant to be comfortable.

But in some SoCal cities, for the right price, they can be decidedly more so than for most of the general prison population, to the outrage of crime victims and their families.

On Aug. 22, 2010, Chiho Hayakawa’s daughter, Mai, was killed instantly in a deadly DUI crash. She was the passenger in a Toyota Celica that was unrecognizable after the collision.

"One of the policemen said, 'she'��s not at the hospital, she'��s gone,'" Hayakawa remembered. She also remembered her daughter telling her she loved her the last time the two saw each other.

The drunken driver of the car was Mai'��s classmate, a man named Michael Keating.

Hayakawa said Keating never apologized to her family, and then, was given upgraded jail accommodations when his family shelled out tens of thousands of dollars.

"I was so shocked," she said.

In a so-called '��pay-to-stay'�� program, a judge granted Keating permission to pay for an upgraded cell in Seal Beach after he said he feared for his life if he was sent to regular jail

Programs like the one Keating participated in are usually offered to low-offense inmates, mostly nonviolent DUI offenders.

"I feel his solution comes from money," Hayakawa said.

Seal Beach and several other Southern California cities -�� including Anaheim, Arcadia, Burbank, Glendale, Huntington Beach, Pasadena, Santa Ana and Torrance - allow inmates to avoid other overcrowded and potentially more dangerous jails by renting the upgraded cells for a daily fee.

In Pasadena, that fee is $143 per day, plus a one-time administrative fee of $64. Some of the programs even let prisoners leave for work. The Fullerton Police Department has just one pay-to-stay cell, where inmates can spend $127 a night to get their own TV, their own phone, and even their own full-size fridge.

And the cell isn't exactly high security.

"The cell itself, it's rare that it'��s closed. It's always open," said Cpl. Gabriela Soto

In Anaheim, inmates in the city'��s pay-to-stay jail program can check out their own DVD players and work out in a nice gym. All of the programs are pricey, with money going to the city. In 2014, 268 participants used the pay-to-stay program in Glendale, and a total of $63,377 was collected.


"Bottom line - if you don't have the money, you're not going to be able to stay," said Det. Laura Lomeli. But in the eyes of the law, these accommodations do not equal a lesser punishment.

"It's good people who made a mistake, made a bad choice — and they have to pay the consequences," Lomeli said.

Critics say those who need benefits like the ability to keep their job while serving their time are the ones who can least afford pay-to-stay programs.

"What a terrible idea. What a slap in the face for the concept of equal justice for all,'�� said Peter Eliasberg, legal director for the ACLU of Southern California. "If it’s a public service -�� that should be offered to everyone regardless of their ability to pay."

Michael Keating, who was intoxicated behind the wheel when Mai Hayakawa, was killed, served two years and paid a total of $72,000 to the jail to stay out of the general population.

He declined to speak with NBC4, but his father sent a written statement.

"Michael has taken responsibility for his actions, and continues to work toward building a life for himself. Besides being remorseful for Mai Hayakawa'��s death he has to carry the label of 'convicted felon' which makes it all the more difficult,"" he wrote.

But for Mai'��s mother, Keating'��s punishment is just not enough. "It's so hard because my daughter's life and his two years - it's not fair," she said.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Pay-to-Stay-Jail-Programs-Offer-Upgraded-Cells-For-Price-302079671.html


Good Grief --- that's not 'JAIL' that's CLUB MED and what punishment is that for taking a life while DUI and found guilty of it?
Only in California - where $$$ talks and will buy you all sorts of amenities! Geeze Louise!




Prison's here in Nevada let inmates purchase PlayStation 2's, movies and games for them up until recently until the prison staff realized porn was getting smuggled in and watched on them.

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Fri 05/01/15 10:18 PM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Fri 05/01/15 10:20 PM
what I'm kind of surprised, that other people are surprised.

Death row,they get private cells & their own TV . And they sit for 7 yrs. then file an appeal & sit another 7 years * A speedy trial in the USA can take up to 7 years, just for s court date* And taxpayers are paying for it.

White collar prisoners have tennis courts & tax payers are paying for it.

A regular prison has gyms with the newest equipment... weight lifting.
Most prisons give the convicts 'computer time'. Even though none are allowed to log on date sites... some prisons don't have mandatory observation.
Other prisons the guards pass a cell phone around & they log on sites.
Or the prisoners smuggle them in or pay the guards to buy & bring in phones.
* Mingle2 actually has fewer con's than i'm use to seeing .... one reason why I say " Google search is our friend"*


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Fri 05/01/15 10:22 PM
Wow.. Based on what ive read on here...prisoners in some US states are spoiled...
There are differences between rights and privileges, and between due consideration and luxuries...and these concepts seem to get more and more mixed up...

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Fri 05/01/15 10:43 PM

Wow.. Based on what ive read on here...prisoners in some US states are spoiled...
There are differences between rights and privileges, and between due consideration and luxuries...and these concepts seem to get more and more mixed up...


Yep.. IMO , ALL prisons in English speaking countries spoil & pamper inmates. And it takes wayyy.... to long for 'due process '. And for an ACTUAL death sentence to be carried out. Some states don't have a death penalty. And each state decides ' the grounds ' for the death penalty & the penalty for most crimes.
Federal crimes, are under government jurisdiction.

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Fri 05/01/15 11:28 PM


Wow.. Based on what ive read on here...prisoners in some US states are spoiled...
There are differences between rights and privileges, and between due consideration and luxuries...and these concepts seem to get more and more mixed up...


Yep.. IMO , ALL prisons in English speaking countries spoil & pamper inmates. And it takes wayyy.... to long for 'due process '. And for an ACTUAL death sentence to be carried out. Some states don't have a death penalty. And each state decides ' the grounds ' for the death penalty & the penalty for most crimes.
Federal crimes, are under government jurisdiction.


Due process is always long and arduous...as public opinion and the perceived common good tend to be in opposition nowadays with morality and justice...

I guess that is what happens when people mistake freedom and democracy for entitlement and "get what you can while the getting is good" mentality...
sad2

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Fri 05/01/15 11:28 PM

So a rich rapest can live in luxury but a poor killer lives in a normal jail?

Crazy. They are there for a reason


I dont think violent crimes are considered 'low offense'

msharmony's photo
Fri 05/01/15 11:29 PM

there was a poster on Mingle a few months ago, looking for a relationship with a woman.. When I asked why he was wearing a orange jumpsuit (I already knew the answer). He told me he was incarcerated.

So here we have prison inmates surfing the web.. looking for ladies. and nobody in the corrections department sees a problem with this

Not to mention that we (tax payers) are most likely picking up the tab


I dont see an issue with incarcerated having some connection to what is going on in the world or to cyber 'relationships' as long as at the end of the day they dont have the 'freedom' to pose threats in the real world.

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Fri 05/01/15 11:32 PM



there was a poster on Mingle a few months ago, looking for a relationship with a woman.. When I asked why he was wearing a orange jumpsuit (I already knew the answer). He told me he was incarcerated.

So here we have prison inmates surfing the web.. looking for ladies. and nobody in the corrections department sees a problem with this

Not to mention that we (tax payers) are most likely picking up the tab


Are you kidding me? Mingle has convicts here? Like we don't suffer enough from the scammers here.

This is an outrage! What did the article mean that the programs let the prisoners leave for work? You mean they are part time prisoners???


yes to both.

I am doing a project for work to build a new factory. I won't say where, but that state ( and others) offered as part of the incentive to pick their state,prisoner work programs ( low risk inmates or inmates with less then a year left on their sentence). We pay the state DOC a agreed upon amount and they pay the inmates, transport them ect.... but to answer your question.. yes, they are out and working.

We did not take that offer as we A) we did not think it a good business decision based on possible customer concerns.. B) we did not want the responsibility should something happen.

But, I know of other companies that have.



I think its a good idea actually, to keep their skills fresh and teach them new ones, makes it more likely to 'assimilate' back into society when they served their time

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Fri 05/01/15 11:52 PM

Wow.. Based on what ive read on here...prisoners in some US states are spoiled...
There are differences between rights and privileges, and between due consideration and luxuries...and these concepts seem to get more and more mixed up...


in some U.S. prisons they are. Some of the Federal prisons ( especially for white collar crime are called " Club Fed". But we do have our share of bad prisons to. My local one ( NYC) is Rikers Island.. and Northern State Prison in Jersey. You don't even want to drive past them.

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Sat 05/02/15 12:15 AM


Wow.. Based on what ive read on here...prisoners in some US states are spoiled...
There are differences between rights and privileges, and between due consideration and luxuries...and these concepts seem to get more and more mixed up...


in some U.S. prisons they are. Some of the Federal prisons ( especially for white collar crime are called " Club Fed". But we do have our share of bad prisons to. My local one ( NYC) is Rikers Island.. and Northern State Prison in Jersey. You don't even want to drive past them.


That, in a way is kindof weird... I can understand the state system of having different policies for different states, but the discrepancy seems to be too widely varied...not only in terms of facilities and personnel available-- which is more or less a budgeting issue, but also in administerial and managerial concepts... I mean, shouldnt there be a more or less common denominator across all penal institutions, regardless of the state it is under?

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Sat 05/02/15 01:35 AM


there was a poster on Mingle a few months ago, looking for a relationship with a woman.. When I asked why he was wearing a orange jumpsuit (I already knew the answer). He told me he was incarcerated.

So here we have prison inmates surfing the web.. looking for ladies. and nobody in the corrections department sees a problem with this

Not to mention that we (tax payers) are most likely picking up the tab


I dont see an issue with incarcerated having some connection to what is going on in the world or to cyber 'relationships' as long as at the end of the day they dont have the 'freedom' to pose threats in the real world.



well I do... trying to pick up women on the internet is not part of the " corrections" process... it is not learning a skill that will benefit you when you are sent back into society... last time I looked anyway.

Learning a trade on line.. school on line.. I have no problem with.. surfing dating sites... sorry, yes I have a problem with that.


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Sat 05/02/15 01:52 AM


there was a poster on Mingle a few months ago, looking for a relationship with a woman.. When I asked why he was wearing a orange jumpsuit (I already knew the answer). He told me he was incarcerated.

So here we have prison inmates surfing the web.. looking for ladies. and nobody in the corrections department sees a problem with this

Not to mention that we (tax payers) are most likely picking up the tab


Are you kidding me? Mingle has convicts here? Like we don't suffer enough from the scammers here.

This is an outrage! What did the article mean that the programs let the prisoners leave for work? You mean they are part time prisoners???

didn't last too long if I remember correctly!:laughing:

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