Topic: Women?
simpltim's photo
Thu 05/14/15 07:44 AM
I mean take dickinson for example. she was great and during a time that wasnt fair for women... she made it why not more?

simpltim's photo
Thu 05/14/15 07:46 AM
At the same time she is no Frost

2OLD2MESSAROUND's photo
Thu 05/14/15 07:52 AM

simpltim asked >>>
If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?


2old2 stated >>>
First - TY for that off handed compliment but it's rather unsubstantiated when you:
a.) haven't provide a list of 'GREAT MALE POETS' - according to you
b.) posted a real lame attack about a female poet that another member suggested worthy of mention
c.) neither offered up your credentials to quantify your 'RATING' system for us to JUDGE you by
d.) or you've totally ignored the century & era that those 'Great Poets & Painters' were born in and what role the females were regulated to


Simpltim stated >>>
ooooh .... im not attacking anything... only to provoke conversation
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well i just read that... u made me mad and i left off after ur accusations of me... it was wrong sorry... im bruttally honest... so many say they want honesty, so few can handle it.
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I mean take dickinson for example. she was great and during a time that wasnt fair for women... she made it why not more?


Conversation; that 2 way means of carrying on a thread/topic --- ie this one about 'Great Poets'...you've yet to define that which meets the criteria and what men are on your list!

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Thu 05/14/15 09:10 AM
If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?

Because poetry isn't really a measure of intelligence or profundity?
Mostly vocabulary, associations, and imaginative alliteration?

And for most of history men had higher educations and support for self actualization meaning greater disposable time for self expression? Because they had the baby envy and wanted to create something to live on through the ages?

Not to mention not "all the great poets" are men?

Other than that, social marketing? People becoming "great poets" because a majority of schools get a deal on bulk purchases of certain books, with the widespread adoption then leading to the judgment of someone being a "great poet" simply because they are the most common and known? And the majority of people that just churn out poetry driving down book prices and influencing competition for school adoption is men?

If you want a bad answer to a bad question pick whatever makes you happiest.

SitkaRains's photo
Thu 05/14/15 09:36 AM

If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?

Because poetry isn't really a measure of intelligence or profundity?
Mostly vocabulary, associations, and imaginative alliteration?

And for most of history men had higher educations and support for self actualization meaning greater disposable time for self expression? Because they had the baby envy and wanted to create something to live on through the ages?

Not to mention not "all the great poets" are men?

Other than that, social marketing? People becoming "great poets" because a majority of schools get a deal on bulk purchases of certain books, with the widespread adoption then leading to the judgment of someone being a "great poet" simply because they are the most common and known? And the majority of people that just churn out poetry driving down book prices and influencing competition for school adoption is men?

If you want a bad answer to a bad question pick whatever makes you happiest.


Enuff said well done

simpltim's photo
Thu 05/14/15 10:32 AM
obviously this was a generalized question only meant to invoke intelligent response... and i guess id better say intelligence is subgective, cant even be defined. i think we all know women had it rough and not all the greats were men, it doesnt need to be pointed out a million times...thanks all

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Thu 05/14/15 12:57 PM
simpltim stated >>>
obviously this was a generalized question only meant to invoke intelligent response... and i guess id better say intelligence is subgective, cant even be defined. i think we all know women had it rough and not all the greats were men, it doesnt need to be pointed out a million times...thanks all


New here - HUH?
So...since I've asked {twice} for your list of favorite male poets and you've not provided any; would that be because you really don't have 'ANY?' --- feeling like I'm frustrated pulling teeth to get you to respond on POINT!

And for the record and better communication within a community forum setting...if you want to move a topic move forward and allow adult discussion to ensue what might you have done differently in the way that you phrased >>>
If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?


Resigning - calling it a day what And I thought you wanted to 'TALK'...

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Thu 05/14/15 02:06 PM

If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?


They were too busy coming up with useful "old wives tales", nursery rhymes and educational tales (fables and fairy tales) that were written and published by men.

You are forgetting that although women had strong oral traditions that they passed from generation to generation, they were left/kept illiterate and were simply unable to write down their clever turns of phrase.

So men just wrote them down and were credited and received notoriety for the tales, stories, and rhymes.

Then chicks learned to read and write allowing them to get proper recognition for their work.

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Thu 05/14/15 03:39 PM
One of the best lessons I learned was when I was 16 and went out with a 17 year old girl. She taught me how to kiss real good, and taught me the value of "how to make a woman happy in all phases of life". So when Ruth stated that not all contributions are well known....oh man trust me...that is so true.....or else my hand would be my best friend.

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Thu 05/14/15 04:05 PM


If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?

maya angelou,emily Dickinson,sylvia plath,carol ann duffy,amy Lowell,margaret atwood ths list goes on so there u have famous women poets blows yer post out the water


And don't forget the great Safo.

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Thu 05/14/15 04:07 PM

If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?

Maybe because men talk the talk whereas women walk the walk.
In other words, if you want anything said, ask a man, if you want anything done, ask a woman. :smile:

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Thu 05/14/15 04:55 PM


A warm Welcome to the forums tim waving



Just so you are clear, Blondey, Tim is a MALE and NOT wearing a dress! :laughing:

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Thu 05/14/15 05:28 PM

I mean take dickinson for example. she was great and during a time that wasnt fair for women... she made it why not more?

None of Dickenson's poems were published (or even viewed by many people) during her lifetime. She was an extremely private person, and wrote her poetry for herself.

simpltim's photo
Thu 05/14/15 06:12 PM


If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?


They were too busy coming up with useful "old wives tales", nursery rhymes and educational tales (fables and fairy tales) that were written and published by men.

You are forgetting that although women had strong oral traditions that they passed from generation to generation, they were left/kept illiterate and were simply unable to write down their clever turns of phrase.

So men just wrote them down and were credited and received notoriety for the tales, stories, and rhymes.

Then chicks learned to read and write allowing them to get proper recognition for their work.


thats a mighty bold statement there... :-) hahaha

regularfeller's photo
Thu 05/14/15 06:25 PM



If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?


They were too busy coming up with useful "old wives tales", nursery rhymes and educational tales (fables and fairy tales) that were written and published by men.

You are forgetting that although women had strong oral traditions that they passed from generation to generation, they were left/kept illiterate and were simply unable to write down their clever turns of phrase.

So men just wrote them down and were credited and received notoriety for the tales, stories, and rhymes.

Then chicks learned to read and write allowing them to get proper recognition for their work.


thats a mighty bold statement there... :-) hahaha


The truth often is bold.

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Sat 05/16/15 09:54 PM
Edited by Valeris on Sat 05/16/15 09:55 PM

If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?


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List Of Female Poets
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_poets
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Eleanor Hallowell Abbott (1872–1958), American poet, novelist and short story writer
Kathy Acker (1947–1997), American experimental novelist, punk poet, playwright, essayist, postmodernist and sex-positive feminist writer
Léonie Adams (1899–1988), American poet, seventh United States Poet Laureate
Fleur Adcock (born 1934), poet and an editor of English and Northern Irish ancestry; lived much of her life in England
Kim Addonizio (born 1954), American poet, novelist
Kelli Russell Agodon (born 1969), American poet
Delmira Agustini (1886–1914), Uruguayan poet
Akazome Emon (956–1041), Japanese poet and historian
Rachel Akerman (1522–1544), Austrian Jewish poet writing in German
Bella Akhmadulina (1937–2010), Soviet and Russian poet, short story writer, and translator
Anna Akhmatova (1889–1966), Russian and Soviet modernist poet
Anne-Marie Albiach (born 1937), French poet and translator
Jordie Albiston (born 1961), Australian poet and academic
Louisa May Alcott (1832–1888), American novelist, playwright and poet
Claribel Alegría (born 1924), Nicaraguan poet, essayist, novelist, and journalist
Elizabeth Alexander (born 1962), American poet, essayist, playwright and academic
Ellen Palmer Allerton (1835-1893), American poet
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PacificStar48's photo
Sun 05/17/15 12:20 PM
Sounds like someone has a writing assignment to find great female writers and wants the Mingle crowd to do his homework.

There have been great female writers across time and many of them actually published under a male pen name rather than waste their time fighting the then male dominated publishing world.

Only recently have women moved into self publishing and if you look at popular current writing there are as many female authors ans male.

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Sun 05/17/15 12:30 PM
So the mark of a profound and intelligent person is if he/she writes poetry?

mikeyspace4691's photo
Sun 05/17/15 12:36 PM
There once was a man from Nantucket, and that's all I gotta say about that..

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Sun 05/17/15 12:59 PM

If women are so intelligent and profound, why are all the great poets men?


The above-quoted post assumes something without bothering to prove that it is correct.

Thus, I have no reason to believe what the above-quoted post is assuming.