Money, manpower, time & inconvenience.
Everything that had to be closed down, even bus routes, schools, business.
Sleepless nights for law enforcement & residents. New York, Pennsylvania, Vermont. And who knows what Canada prepared for.

And public safety.

While COPS are beating the bushes 30 miles from where the murderers are, the murderers are on the loose, capable of killing again.

Lookit:
I've seen magic tricks.
I understand that people can think they saw what they didn't.

Earlier this year there was a dress, that caused a big fuss, because persons couldn't even agree on what colors it was.

So human perception is obviously highly flawed.
And even trained observers (a rare breed) have manifold human failings.

But it's one thing to say: "We saw them."
It's another thing to say: "We saw to guys, and we think it was them."
A s a v v y police interrogator should have been able to sort that out, when taking their witness statement.

So far, I'm not sure we can give LEO a grade of C on this.
To call it below average is to flattering to them.

I can't imagine how many people in how many states or Canada, went running to the the authorities.
Well... I would love a psychological profile on these people!
I read quotes of store cashiers & business owners who said people came in every day saying ' They got the guys! '
Look at the Philly cabbie (Idon't k ow if I love him or not), he waited and did TWO more fares, AFTER he dropped two guys off. So either,
1- He is greedy.
2- His boss is an a@@
3- If took that long for him to say "Do the right thing & report "
4- He just wanted 5 minutes of fame.


The authorities- jurisdiction is always a problem. And small town cops never want ' outsiders ' in telling them what to do, (I don't blame them if they have a ' hamlet '), but these also s problem as far as inexperience.

I didn't hear at any time about their psych profiles, a criminalist, a behaviorist... .. Did you ?

50 min ago - CNN

Tracking dogs pick up s scent at a gas station, about a mike away from the prison

Naw, their in Maryland.

Maybe if they have a intense craving for crabs or just want to torch something, or kick a cop or run for office in 2016...

It could happen. jk


http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/11/us/new-york-prison-break/

At the 6:AM/ET hour today local news reports the hunt continues.

DAY 6 (day 7,in approx in 10hrs,at bed check, prison time)

8 minutes ago - CNN

Joyce Mitchell, civilian employee of the maximum security prison supplied equipment and or tools to help in the escape plan.

http://www.cnn.com/us

(CNN)—[Breaking news update at 7:31 a.m. ET]
Clinton Correctional Facility employee Joyce Mitchell "provided some form of equipment or tools" to Richard Matt and David Sweat, the two convicted murderers who escaped from that maximum-security prison in upstate New York, Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie told CNN on Friday.
[Original story posted at 7:29 a.m. ET]
In New York's recent history, almost every prison escapee was captured within 24 hours.
Almost every escapee, except for Richard Matt and David Sweat, who were on Day 6 of their run from authorities early Friday.
But tracking dogs picked up their scent, and authorities are hopeful they will capture them before the week is out.
"If this is an actual true lead that the dogs are following on, we hope to be successful in the next 24 hours," Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie said Thursday night.
State data show that of the 29 inmates who fled between 2002 and 2013, only one was free for more than two days.
Authorities have been looking for Matt and Sweat since early Saturday morning, when they were discovered missing from the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora.
The two used power tools to get out of their cells and cut into a steam pipe, navigating a tunnel of pipes and finally surfacing out a manhole. They left dummies in their beds.
'I haven't left home in two days'
Their escape sent jitters across neighboring Vermont, where authorities believe they may have gone, and Canada, whose border is about 20 miles from the maximum-security prison.
Still, the most intense law enforcement activity has been in northeast New York, where investigators continue to search for clues by painstakingly checking wooded areas and roads and popping open trunks at checkpoints.
The ordeal has turned life upside down for those who call this rural, idyllic, out-of-the-way place home. Many people have restricted their movement, while classes in the Saranac Central School District -- which includes Dannemora -- were called off for a second straight day Friday "to assist law enforcement and to keep our buses off the routes ... where they are searching," Superintendent Jonathan Parks said.
"I haven't left home in two days, I had to call in to work today because you wouldn't be able to return back home," resident Brooke Lepage said. "There were constant helicopters.
"Last night they had floodlights. There was a recorded (telephone) message telling us to stay in the house and make sure outside lights were on."
Scent near a sandwich shop
Amid the mayhem, the search appears to be narrowing down -- the latest focus being a sandwich shop not far from where the convicts escaped.
Investigators are looking at surveillance video from a gas station about a mile away from the prison.
Tracking dogs picked up the scent of both prisoners at the station and followed it east toward the town of Cadyville, Wylie said. The gas station has a Subway sandwich shop, and the two might have been rummaging for food in the trash bin, authorities said.
Authorities are reviewing the limited security video from the store.
A perimeter is up around the site of the scent, and the dogs were working their way in Thursday night.
Investigators found an imprint from a shoe or boot as well as food wrappers in the area, a source said. Possible bedding -- an indent in the grass or leaves -- has also been discovered, Wylie said.
Did prisoner have a relationship with employee?
New details emerged about a prison employee who may have helped the inmates escape, authorities said.
State Department of Corrections officials had received a complaint about the relationship between prison seamstress Joyce Mitchell and one of the two escapees, according to a state official.
While there was no evidence to support the complaint, Wylie said, that does not mean there was no relationship.
"I don't believe that the information was that there was absolutely no relationship," he said.
Investigators zeroed in on Mitchell -- whose relatives have denied as being involved in the breakout -- because of the earlier complaint, the source said.
State corrections officials declined to comment because of the ongoing investigation, but New York State Police Superintendent Joseph D'Amico said authorities believe Mitchell planned to pick up the inmates after their escape. She changed her mind at the last minute, he said.
Her cell phone was used to call people connected to Matt, according to another source. It's unclear who made the calls, when they were made or whether Mitchell knew about them.
Mitchell told investigators that Matt made her feel "special," though she didn't mention being in love with him, a source familiar with the investigation said.
She has cooperated with investigators and answered all their questions.
The Clinton County district attorney said his office is considering possibly charging her with felonies, including accessory to the escape and promoting prison contraband.
CNN's Randi Kaye and Greg Botelho contributed to this report

Can I jump in here for a minute and ask a question? This thread makes me a little nervous about my sons' vacation in Upstate NY every summer. Do they have anything to worry about this summer?

They go to the southern tier region near Ithaca. Where was the prison?

Hello s1,
I think Ithaca is at least 80 miles away from the Clinton prison.
If they're at camp right now, you might want to take them home.

BUT!!

After such escapes, prison security tends to tighten up a little.

As long as their first day at camp begins AFTER the two murderers are caught or killed, they should be as safe at camp this year as they were last.

If you have broadband Internet access, you may be able to get mileage information from a resource like mapquest.

PS s1,

There's a town in NY called "Clinton".
But the prison isn't there.

It's the Clinton prison in the village of Dannemora, NY.

Hybristophilia

Hybristophilia "is a paraphilia in which
sexual arousal, facilitation, and attainment of orgasm are responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed an outrage, cheating, lying, known infidelities or crime, such as rape, murder, or armed robbery." The term is derived from the Greek word ὑβρίζειν
hubrizein , meaning "to commit an outrage against someone" (ultimately derived from ὕβρις hubris "hubris"), and philo, meaning "having a strong affinity/preference for". [1] In popular culture, this phenomenon is also known as "Bonnie and Clyde Syndrome".
Many high-profile criminals, particularly those who have committed atrocious crimes, receive "fan mail" in prison which is sometimes amorous or sexual, presumably as a result of this phenomenon. In some cases, admirers of these criminals have gone on to marry the object of their affections in prison. [2][3]
Hybristophilia is accepted as potentially lethal, among other such paraphilias including, but not being limited to, asphyxiophilia ,
autassassinophilia , biastophilia , and
chremastistophilia. [4]

Causes

The reason why some people do this is unknown, but some speculations have been offered. For instance,
Katherine Ramsland, who is a professor of forensic psychology at
DeSales University mentions, that some of the women in particular who have married or dated male serial killers have offered the following reasons:
"Some believe they can change a man as cruel and powerful as a serial killer."
"Others “see” the little boy that the killer once was and seek to nurture him."
"A few hoped to share in the media spotlight or get a book or movie deal."
"Then there’s the notion of the “perfect boyfriend.” She knows where he is at all times and she knows he’s thinking about her. While she can claim that someone loves her, she does not have to endure the day-to-day issues involved in most relationships. There’s no laundry to do, no cooking for him, and no accountability to him. She can keep the fantasy charged up for a long time."
Others offered reasons along the lines of:
"Some mental health experts have compared infatuation with killers to extreme forms of fanaticism. They view such women as insecure females who cannot find love in normal ways or as “love-avoidant” females who seek romantic relationships that cannot be consummated." [2]
From a perspective focusing on male serial killers attracting female partners, Leon F. Seltzer (psychologist), has offered explanations based on
evolutionary psychology. Serial killers, in his view, are cases of alpha males that tend to attract women. This is because such males were good at protecting women and their offspring in our evolutionary history . Women nowadays may consciously realize that it is unwise to date a serial killer, but they are nevertheless attracted to them, as he notes "as a therapist I've encountered many women who bemoaned their vulnerability toward dominant men who, consciously, they recognized were all wrong for them." [3] As evidence of women's fantasy preference for dominant men, he refers to the book A Billion Wicked Thoughts: What the World's Largest Experiment Reveals about Human Desire by Ogi Ogas and Sai Gaddam. Seltzer discusses Ogas and Gaddam's argument that this fantasy is the dominant plot of most erotic/romantic books and movies written for women but the fantasy always holds that this male dominance is conditional, "it doesn’t really represent the man’s innermost reality." [3]

Examples

One of the most infamous examples of hybristophilia is the large number of women attracted to Ted Bundy after his arrest. [5] He often drew scores of women at the jammed courtrooms of his trials each day. [6] Bundy allegedly received hundreds of love letters from women while he was incarcerated.
Jeffrey Dahmer , a serial killer, is said to have had amorous women sending him letters, money, and other gifts during his time in prison. [7]
Serial killer Richard Ramirez married a female groupie in prison who had written him over 75 letters. During his trial, dozens of women flocked to the courtroom to catch a glimpse of him.
The phenomenon of Charles Manson groupies is also an example of hybristophilia. [8]
Terrorists such as Anders Behring Breivik, [9] Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, [10] and
Timothy McVeigh have also been the objects of hybristophilia.
School shooters and other mass murders, such as Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold , James Eagan Holmes , and
Adam Lanza have also been objects of hybristophilia.

Famous author Ayn Rand is known to have been a hybristophile, having become infatuated with kidnapper and murderer William Edward Hickman after reading about him and admitted to basing aspects of several characters in her work on him. [11]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

This whole drama points out though we say we want violent felons incarcerated for life as a society we are not really that serous about keeping them there if it calls for more tax dollars or stiffer penalties. We certainly do not want to spend the money to intradict the new wireless technology. Especially if it might inconvienance the locals.

With the number of prisoners going through the revolving prison door there are plenty networks in and outside the prison walls.

And as explained the groupie factor. Think about how many people talk to unknown strangers every day on this site alone. AND even though repeatedly being told not to send money, gift cards, and useful personal items, including useful current information both publicly and privately. Think about it they don't have to carry a map we are telling every thing they need to know right here via one stolen cell phone and free wifi.

And with the general hatred of police plenty of people who like making the system look like a bunch of smucks will find some patsy to make a scapegoat weather they are, or not, part of the scheme.

Not to mention the major bucks that a false siting can generate between "serving" police and media that swarm like a locust with master-cards in hand boosting local economies.

Desperate for a story or to cover their lack of evidence it is easy to miss label anything that suggests they passed through anywhere. Just about every where in the USA, bad weather or not there indigent people scavengering that this pair could blend into rather quickly. Trailing a scent dragged around in hand me down clothes is as likely to find a pair of boots on a bum as the escapees.

My guess is they are quite comfortably put up somewhere by now and will blend into where ever they light for months. For a couple hundred bucks they can have new identities and a girlfriend who will be more than glad to let them drive her car for a rent check as long as they want.

To suggest that these prisoners were any way "soft" from living "inside" is ludicrist. If anything they will have to "fatten up" to go undetected. They proved by their convictions and longevity in the system that they are skilled predators and survivors.

As to the question "how could no one not seen anything" my limited exposure to prisons over the years is there are societies with in societies on both sides of the bars and if you don't have some benefit from protecting someone you mind your own business and keep your mouth shut about anything you see and hear going on. If immunity is not offered , which is basically worthless, no one is going to disrupt their payroll. It comes down to keeping your job.

Prisons are a multibillion dollar business with all kinds of contraband going in and out on a daily basis. That this prison was so easily compromised does suggest to me that contractors were involved and someone, possibly a groupee or lack of better word media whore, paid big bucks to break these two out for the movie rights. It could be external terrorists. Think about it; how stupid does this make us look to our enemy's that we coddle murders they would behead and be done with?

What I do expect it will fade from the headlines like many other crimes of interest for the moment and only those who enjoy something less boring than their lives to talk about will kick it around like other crimes that have gone unsolved for years.

My sympathies to their victims that were denied justice one more time. I am sure their families are going to be harassed and disrupted again.

CNN - Breaking News

The husband of Joyce Mitchell is now being 'looked at' for his involvement in assisting with the jailbreak, says New York District Attorney.

(CNN)— [Breaking news update, posted at 2:33 p.m. ET]
The husband of an upstate New York prison employee who may have helped a pair of convicted murderers escape is being investigated and "could've been involved or at least had knowledge" of the breakout, Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie told CNN on Friday.
Lyle Mitchell, husband of prison seamstress Joyce Mitchell, worked in the maintenance department at the same tailoring shop where his wife worked at the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, officials said.
[Previous story, posted at 12:16 p.m. ET]
An employee of an upstate New York maximum-security prison gave hacksaw blades, drill bits and lighted eyeglasses to a pair of convicted murderers before their brazen escape, sources said Friday.
Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie told CNN's "New Day" that Joyce Mitchell "provided some form of equipment or tools" to fugitive felons Richard Matt and David Sweat.
Two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the investigation later elaborated about the hacksaw blades, with one of the sources mentioning the drill bits and the two pairs of special glasses given to Matt. They were purchased over the past few months.
Matt and Sweat used power tools to cut through cell walls that included a steel plate and sever a 24-inch steam pipe -- once to get in and once more to get out -- and surfaced through a manhole. Despite all the time, effort and noise likely involved, authorities didn't learn anything was awry until a bed check at 5:30 a.m. Saturday.
Authorities strongly believe the fugitives are still together after deciding to continue their escape as a pair, two law enforcement sources briefed on the matter said Friday.
A search perimeter was established, one of the sources said, after an officer saw someone entering a wooded area at nightfall Wednesday.
A tactical search team discovered human tracks and bloodhounds picked up the scent of the felons -- leading investigators to the area where the two men apparently bedded down. Wrappers found at that area were consistent with food wrappers from the prison commissary, according to the source.
The inmates knew Mitchell from her work tailoring clothes as an industrial training supervisor at Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora. She has not been arrested. She hasn't spoken publicly. And her relatives have denied she did anything wrong.
Prison worker in spotlight after escape
Authorities have a different take, however.
State Department of Corrections officials had received a complaint about the relationship between her and one of the two escapees, according to a state official. The department didn't find enough evidence to support the complaint, though that does not mean the inmate and prison worker weren't close.
"I don't believe that the information was that there was absolutely no relationship," said Wylie, the district attorney.
Mitchell told investigators Matt made her feel "special," though she didn't mention being in love with him, a source familiar with the investigation said.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/new-york-prison-break/

Story highlights
Sleepy hamlets and towns shadowed by the Adirondack Mountains upended by prison break
Schools superintendent: "People are eager to get back to the daily routine"
New York (CNN)— Melissa's Barber Shop in the upstate New York hamlet of West Chazy was open for business Thursday, even though the front door was shuttered.
Inside, owner Melissa Guerin's eyes veered nervously between a surveillance camera monitor and the locked front door. No hair was being cut.
"They've shaken up our community," Guerin, 41, said of two convicted murderers who escaped from a nearby prison.
Life in the sleepy hamlets and towns shadowed by the Adirondack Mountains has been transformed by incessant rumors, roadblocks, buzzing helicopters, troopers in schools, residents under lockdown and the invasion of a small army of law enforcement officers.
West Chazy is about 30 minutes from the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, where fugitives Richard Matt and David Sweat on Saturday pulled off a breakout worthy of a Hollywood movie.
They were the first to escape from the maximum security prison in its 170-year history, shattering the sense of peace in Dannemora and surrounding communities.
"It's like a military state," said Steve Lashway, who runs a meat market and deli in Dannemora.
'Like a lockdown'
Thomas LaSalle, 31, said he has been told to stay locked in his house as the manhunt continues. Some residents could only leave their homes with a state police escort. Armored vehicles drive by now and then. He called the whole ordeal "very unnerving," with police visible everywhere and helicopters overhead.
In the rain overnight, groups of officers stood guard every 100 feet, LaSalle said.
LaSalle said his wife and two daughters have left town. He hunkered down in the house with a cousin. They're both fully armed.
"I got the shakes," he said. "It's a lot of excitement. It's like a lockdown."
The day after the breakout was discovered, law enforcement officers combed through all school district buildings, every school bus, and the woods and swamps surrounding the middle school and high school.
A state trooper had stood guard at every school, but on Thursday classes were canceled. Bus drivers had waited for children who wanted to remain inside their homes until buses arrived. Recess periods were held indoors.
Escapes not a consideration
The manhunt involves more than 500 law enforcement officers -- about the size of West Chazy's population.
"People are eager to get back to the daily routine and the things that they do around here," said Jonathan Parks, superintendent of the Saranac Central School District. "People live around here for a reason. It's quiet. It's serene. Your daily routine doesn't really involve a whole lot of thought about danger. That's why we're here."
While the school district had prepared for active shooters and other emergencies, escaped convicts were not a consideration.
"Everybody just has assumed that that's a given that no one can get out of there," Parks said of the notorious prison. "So that's certainly not been on our radar at all."
How did they escape?
On Thursday, law enforcement converged on a site where tracking dogs picked up a scent authorities suspect was from the escapees, sources said.
A large-perimeter search area has been set up around this spot, which is about 3 miles from the prison, according to a state official and another source briefed on the investigation.
In addition to the scent, investigators found an imprint either from a shoe or boot, as well as multiple food wrappers in the area, one of the two sources said. Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie said that possible bedding -- in the form of an indent in grass or leaves -- has also been discovered.
'Little Siberia'
"Life has been insane," Lashway told CNN on Thursday. "We have ... officers on every corner with shotguns, and there are roadblocks up everywhere."
Rumors about the fugitives' whereabouts were rampant.
"It's been crazy with all the rumors," Lashway said. "Just about every day, somebody comes into the shop and says, 'They've got 'em. They've got 'em.' But nope, they don't. The next day same thing."
Overall, business at his meat market is down, except for sandwich and coffee sales to law enforcement.
"I've been making a lot of subs," he said.
Opened in 1845, the Clinton Correctional Facility is also known as "Little Siberia." The name stems not only from its remote and cold location but also its history as home to some of the most hardened inmates in the history of New York crime.
"You never really think of somebody getting out and hiding in the area," said Parks, the schools superintendent.
At Melissa's Barber Shop, Guerin said her sons had been keeping her company out of concern for her safety. Customers had been arriving in pairs. On Thursday, she was alone, with the door locked.
"This has had a big impact on my business," she said. "I'm a little nervous. I know that sounds silly but you never know.'"
'Infamous history'
It's a close-knit community. The barbershop's clientele is largely divided between the older and younger generations of workers at the Clinton Correctional Facility, one of the largest public employers in the area. Guerin heard about the escape before it was on the news.
"I have a lot of correctional officers who come here," Guerin said. "They're very protective of me... One of the officers wanted me to be safe. It was Saturday morning. He just wanted to let me know. He called and sent pictures of the escapees."
An independent advocacy group called the Correctional Association of New York has described the prison as a place that "has an infamous history of staff violence, brutality, dehumanization and racist attitudes that are an affront to any sense of humanity."
The notorious Mafioso Charles "Lucky" Luciano did 10 years there before being deported to Italy.
Robert Chambers, the so-called preppy murderer, was transferred there after committing infractions at another prison. Chambers, who claimed that Jennifer Levin died accidentally during rough sex, was convicted of manslaughter -- and, later, of drug offenses.
The bond between the surrounding communities and the prison runs deep.
"Permanent settlement in Dannemora began in 1838 and Dannemora was officially incorporated as a village in 1901, growing up around the Clinton Correctional Facility," the village website said.
'Are they here?'
The prison houses about 3,000 inmates, according to the website.
"My Grandfather Kennedy worked on the prison farm," said Michael Maggy, a co-owner and pharmacist at Maggy Pharmacy, across the street from the prison.
"My Grandfather Maggy worked at the annex. My Uncle Russell worked in the prison system. So did my cousins and a lot of my best friends. I always valued what they did. But it does desensitize you, driving by every day, of what's actually behind the wall."
The military-type precision with which local, state and federal law enforcement personnel have responded to the breakout has given people confidence, Maggy said.
"Even though we're still aware that these bad guys ... are still out there and they may be still here, it's making us feel very protected and a little more comfortable," he said. "We're very concerned. Everyone who has a dog that barks at night, 'Is it an animal or are they here?'"
Who are the suspects?
Parks said many correctional officers and prison employees have children in the district schools.
"They realize that the best of the best are here in the area looking" for the convicted murderers, he said. "That leads to a sense of security."
Parks has a son in the eighth grade.
"Certainly everybody has in the back of their mind what could happen," he said. "There's no doubt about that. We're all certain that there will be a significant review of practices and procedures at that prison. We'll all pretty much bet our paychecks that it will be another 100 years before somebody escapes from that place."
CNN's Julia Talanova, Greg Botelho and Don Melvin contributed to this report.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/11/us/dannemora-prison-community/

P4,
I think ending the Drug War would be a big help in dialing that back.
The prison industrial complex is gobbling up $tax $money by the $billions.

S2,
Thanks for the scoop.

5:PM/ET
NPR reports the LEO think they may have the pair boxed in on a privately owned 50 acre parcel.
The owner locks his driveway gate, but cooperated in the manhunt and unlocked it for LEO.

I'm impressed these guys are this successful.
Escape was impressive.
But nearly a week of evasion as well? Pretty impressive.

Story highlights CNN

NEW: Prison employee to be arraigned, sheriff says
Husband of prison employee being investigated, district attorney says
Authorities believe fugitives are still together, law enforcement sources say
Convicted killers Richard Matt and David Sweat have been on the run for six days
(CNN)—[Breaking news update, posted at 4:45 p.m. ET]
Joyce Mitchell, the upstate New York prison seamstress who officials said may have helped a pair of convicted murderers escape, will be arraigned on unknown charges Friday evening and processed at the Clinton County Jail in Plattsburgh, Sheriff David Favro told CNN.
Earlier, Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie said Mitchell "provided some form of equipment or tools" to fugitive felons Richard Matt and David Sweat.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/new-york-prison-break/index.html