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| Topic: Two murderers escaped from NY prison. Still loose? | |
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As racist as this sounds, if blacks had escaped and about to cross the border, patrol at the border would be suspicious because blacks are not resident to those parts of town. But these two suspects are white. People tend to lower guard at white people than they do of blacks. These suspects can blend in very easily and can assimilate in any town they go into because of their race. These suspects will be extremely difficult to find. *Patrol at the border would be suspicious "  That doesn't make sense. 250 officials trying to find these guys no matter what they look like .What is suspicious about officials doing their job? And you check stats on Canada's racial & cultural diversity. They are not a country full of white people wearing berets. I was hoping someone would catch this exactly... I am not sure if these convicts were on death row or not..One of the reasons years ago death row escapees would run for Canada was Canada didn't have extradition for death row people.. Not sure if this has changed or not, remember it from years ago. I am sure someone from Canada will come in and correct me if I am wrong. There is no death row in NYS. Death row was abolished under the Pataki administration. The last person on Death Row was someone named John Taylor who was convicted of killing 5 Wendy's employees. But his death row sentence was overturned. Right now, he's serving life sentences at Dannemora Correctional Facility. NYS is too liberal for death penalty. There is a disproportionate amount of minorities in prison and no politicians want to touch that. |
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"... the chase doesn't stop at the boarder" d1 True. BUT !! It introduces significant jurisdictional complications, including: - Governor Cuomo has ~250 LEOs working the case. Their work is quite likely to stop at the border. - That drops these two hot potatoes in Canada's lap. And they don't have a whole lot of $financial $incentive to fund a $multi-$million $dollar manhunt; to clean up the mess the U.S. is responsible for. "They are not a country full of white people wearing berets." S2 Tidy whities? I thought Canada was substantially White skinned. I know the larger cities may have minority residents. But there aren't a lot of Black ***** on the Toronto Maple Leaf's bench. Toronto is about 30-45 minutes from Buffalo and Rochester. And Buffalo and Rochester is extremely west of Dannemora and Plattsburgh |
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"... the chase doesn't stop at the boarder" d1 True. BUT !! It introduces significant jurisdictional complications, including: - Governor Cuomo has ~250 LEOs working the case. Their work is quite likely to stop at the border. - That drops these two hot potatoes in Canada's lap. And they don't have a whole lot of $financial $incentive to fund a $multi-$million $dollar manhunt; to clean up the mess the U.S. is responsible for. "They are not a country full of white people wearing berets." S2 Tidy whities? I thought Canada was substantially White skinned. I know the larger cities may have minority residents. But there aren't a lot of Black ***** on the Toronto Maple Leaf's bench. Toronto is about 30-45 minutes from Buffalo and Rochester. And Buffalo and Rochester is extremely west of Dannemora and Plattsburgh |
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2 Hours ago- An Inside Job ?
New York Times Yahoo CNN FoxNews A FEMALE employee is now being questioned for POSSIBLY asstisting the two convicted murderers escape. * One sentenced to 20 yrs & the other 22 yrs * |
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As racist as this sounds, if blacks had escaped and about to cross the border, patrol at the border would be suspicious because blacks are not resident to those parts of town. But these two suspects are white. People tend to lower guard at white people than they do of blacks. These suspects can blend in very easily and can assimilate in any town they go into because of their race. These suspects will be extremely difficult to find. *Patrol at the border would be suspicious " That doesn't make sense. 250 officials trying to find these guys no matter what they look like .What is suspicious about officials doing their job? And you check stats on Canada's racial & cultural diversity. They are not a country full of white people wearing berets. I was hoping someone would catch this exactly... I am not sure if these convicts were on death row or not..One of the reasons years ago death row escapees would run for Canada was Canada didn't have extradition for death row people.. Not sure if this has changed or not, remember it from years ago. I am sure someone from Canada will come in and correct me if I am wrong. There is no death row in NYS. Death row was abolished under the Pataki administration. The last person on Death Row was someone named John Taylor who was convicted of killing 5 Wendy's employees. But his death row sentence was overturned. Right now, he's serving life sentences at Dannemora Correctional Facility. NYS is too liberal for death penalty. There is a disproportionate amount of minorities in prison and no politicians want to touch that. " There is a disproportionate amount of minionites in prison and no politicians want to touch that " What ? Original People, Asians & Pacific Islanders ? I don't think so ! Politicians could 'touch ' it, only by praising them for upholding the law & their contribution.  * Make another thread * |
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guess the Weather now isn't so inclement that they couldn't camp out for a while!
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The New York State Police commander in charge of the investigation wants to know where they got the power tools from.
I'm no criminologist. But, wild guess: Home Depot? "guess the Weather now isn't so inclement that they couldn't camp out for a while!" C7 With all the worms they can eat? There are heavy rains forecast to begin in an hour or so. Sleeping on wet leaves in wet clothing all night, with tree bark on your breath; not fun. BUT !! This seems to be a well planned, well coordinated escape, I'm guessing with help on the outside, and quite likely on the inside too as S2 suggests. If they were going to go to this much trouble; would having an automobile, and perhaps also an aircraft on standby for them? What I want to know is, what's in it for the outside help? ISIL is recruiting sociopaths from our prisons now? If they were able to get power tools, they may also have gotten guns, or lord knows what else. The fact is; they're already both convicted murderers. What do they have to lose by killing a few more people? |
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My neighbor suggested they're close enough to the Canadian border (which is substantially unguarded), they may be trying to escape to there. As unguarded as the border may look ...... it isn't. There is all manner of electronic surveillance, cameras, IR / thermal / motion / sound sensors, aerial surveillance etc. Add random mobile Border Patrol Trailers at road crossings and not quite as unguarded as people believe. |
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Thanks kf.
It's contextual. My comment about our Northern border was in context about our Southern border. a) We STILL have illegal immigrants streaming across our Southern border. b) Our Southern border may have ten times the security assets on it that our Northern border does. It's relative, contextual. |
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It would make sense that they may be heading north and not south and yes it would also make sense to find someplace that you would blend instead of stand out
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Well TM, considering the amount of help they apparently had, inside and or out, I'm guessing they're gone; perhaps 500 miles away by now.
Some news reports indicate there are numerous leads the police are investigating. I have no details on that. And one or more of them may help track them down for recapture. But considering the reported level of sophistication of this operation, I'm guessing they're gone, and quite possibly gone, not "for good", but at least, until they're re-arrested on unrelated offense, and then identified. |
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 They are headed for south America, where they will be hailed as hero's. |
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6 hours ago,Business Insider.
Eyewitnesses say they have seen the 2 escaped convicts. www.businessindider.com/eyewitness-saw-two-escaped-prisioners-making-getaway-in-new-york. ------------------------------------------------------- 30 min ago CNN Authorities search farms & fields for signs of escaped convicts www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/news-new-york-prison-break/ __________________________________ |
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S2,
May we "think aloud", think this one through? We KNOW this pair is resourceful. Their escape has stunned authorities. This indicates a level of sophistication and preparedness the authorities simply don't seem prepared to adequately respond to. The New York State Police spokesman indicates this case is being handled like a 1950's movie drama. These escapees may already be resting comfortably at their permanent refuge; yet this now reported 300 man team is acting like the pair are trying to escape on foot. If they can get power-tools into a maximum security prison, I'd be astounded if they couldn't get a car on a roadway. And let's be clear. It is known when the escape was detected. It is not known when the escape was conducted. The head-start these murderers got may have been 12 hours or more. |
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Edited by
SassyEuro2
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Tue 06/09/15 03:05 PM
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S2, May we "think aloud", think this one through? We KNOW this pair is resourceful. Their escape has stunned authorities. This indicates a level of sophistication and preparedness the authorities simply don't seem prepared to adequately respond to. The New York State Police spokesman indicates this case is being handled like a 1950's movie drama. These escapees may already be resting comfortably at their permanent refuge; yet this now reported 300 man team is acting like the pair are trying to escape on foot. If they can get power-tools into a maximum security prison, I'd be astounded if they couldn't get a car on a roadway. And let's be clear. It is known when the escape was detected. It is not known when the escape was conducted. The head-start these murderers got may have been 12 hours or more. __ __________________________________ Your reading my mind...  IF there are still on the run , by 'bed check ' tonight, it will be FOUR days. * Like you implied, that we know of * The authorities, well I'm SURE there has been a lot of jurisdiction issues & playing ' rooster in the yard'.  I agree the authorities were/ ARE totally unprepared. Never underestimate your ememy. Here is the latest: the last 2 hours 2 escaped prisoners are tracked to a town 40 miles from the New York prison Boston Herald Search for escaped inmates shifts to 30 minutes away Syracuse. com Escaped convicts MAY be cornered in a small town. |
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Thanks for the updates S2.
There may be a paradox in police work here. 40 years ago, COPs had to use their heads. They didn't have: - DNA testing - cellphone tracking - license plate scanners - huge databases on lightning quick computers - facial recognition software, - etc. So they applied shoe leather and brain power. I'm not talkin' bad about today's policemen. But we have already seen in airliners how progressively more automated cockpits have resulted in progressively less skillful pilots. These high tech police tools no doubt simplify their job. But it wouldn't surprise me if it does so at the cost of the Sherlock Holmes factor; intelligent detective work. Anybody care to guess for how long they'll be loose? - A week? - A month? - Years? - Decades? - Forever? |
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New York Post - This break is just 1 of 2,000
_________________________________ Residents in fear as cops search NY town for escaped convictd. NewYorkDailyNews>news>crime ------------------------------------------------------ Possible sighting of escaped convicts draw swarms of police to small New York town LosAngelesTimes ----------------------------------------------------- 15 minutes ago CNN Escaped killers' driver went to hospital instead http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/new-york-prison-break __________________________________ |
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Thanks for the updates S2. There may be a paradox in police work here. 40 years ago, COPs had to use their heads. They didn't have: - DNA testing - cellphone tracking - license plate scanners - huge databases on lightning quick computers - facial recognition software, - etc. So they applied shoe leather and brain power. I'm not talkin' bad about today's policemen. But we have already seen in airliners how progressively more automated cockpits have resulted in progressively less skillful pilots. These high tech police tools no doubt simplify their job. But it wouldn't surprise me if it does so at the cost of the Sherlock Holmes factor; intelligent detective work. Anybody care to guess for how long they'll be loose? - A week? - A month? - Years? - Decades? - Forever? You may have heard the saying ... " It takes a BAD cop to catch a GOOD criminal " I completely agree with you, technology has robbed the police & in some ways all of us, in that many CAN NOT or never learned to 'step in the mind' ( or the heart ) of another  |
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Yes S2. Evening news reported about 3 hours ago (while it was still daylight) that about 35 miles from the prison, in a NY town called Willsboro, there were two separate eye-witness sightings of the fugitives. The police are now focusing their search; but in rather ham-handed fashion. I think they should have an aerial drone on station there, in case they try to make a break for it, to escape the locus of the search. Thermal imaging at night might help find them if they're on the run. I'm guessing wildly, if these reports are correct, & the COPs don't botch it; they may get one or both by tomorrow morning, or perhaps the day after. I wonder what it will have cost. If these COPs average $50K per year, and there are 300 on 12 hour shifts that's over a $quarter $million. |
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Thanks to both Sassy and LT for the updates..
I am hoping that they are caught if one is caught they will most likely turn on the other. The sad thing to me is still the fact that they had so much help and IMO they have had help on the inside and the outside.. This was well planned.. |
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