Topic: Two murderers escaped from NY prison. Still loose?
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Mon 06/15/15 08:31 AM
S2,
Is the media shift to Mitchell an attempt to maintain reader / subscriber attention?
Or might there be something to the darker explanation, it's an attempt to distract from the government's failures?

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Mon 06/15/15 08:41 AM

S2,
Is the media shift to Mitchell an attempt to maintain reader / subscriber attention?
Or might there be something to the darker explanation, it's an attempt to distract from the government's failures?


IMO- Yes, it is a distraction & a diversion.... Oh look a squirrel ! Jk...

They are not focusing on the prison,the search, the town etc..

And sadly, the average person, is going to be FAR more interested & preoccupied will the idea of a possible SEX scandal & blaming a WOMAN.
Than focusing on who is REALLY at fault & the SEARCH.

"* This is so damn convenient *

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Mon 06/15/15 08:53 AM
I havent kept up with this event other than the occasional glance at a news channel so Ill ask this to those of you who have kept up....Is anything known about the escapees backgrounds other than crimes committed? Specifically, is either the outdoors type? Meaning, would they have the knowledge to survive for awhile outdoors? If not, it seems they would HAVE to have help from someone to remain on the run this long. Thoughts?

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Mon 06/15/15 09:04 AM
RebelArcher posted >>>
I havent kept up with this event other than the occasional glance at a news channel so Ill ask this to those of you who have kept up....Is anything known about the escapees backgrounds other than crimes committed? Specifically, is either the outdoors type? Meaning, would they have the knowledge to survive for awhile outdoors? If not, it seems they would HAVE to have help from someone to remain on the run this long. Thoughts?


Sassy, most likely has more finite info then I do; but from what I've been hearing off of my NPR station --- those 2 convicts have been planning this for 5+ months...
So who knows exactly what they've obtained for information off of any WEB SIGHT that they would have had access too! noway

And just last evening the report stated that the search party did find one home that looked like it had been broken into - within blocks of the prison --- they're just now figuring this out; seems like this 'SEARCH PARTY' couldn't find their arses with both hands!
slaphead :angry:

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Mon 06/15/15 10:17 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Mon 06/15/15 10:28 AM

I havent kept up with this event other than the occasional glance at a news channel so Ill ask this to those of you who have kept up....Is anything known about the escapees backgrounds other than crimes committed? Specifically, is either the outdoors type? Meaning, would they have the knowledge to survive for awhile outdoors? If not, it seems they would HAVE to have help from someone to remain on the run this long. Thoughts?

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Richard Matt -

* He is the one everyone should be worried about. Some authorities liken him to Charles Manson *

I haven't found anything that would indicate he learned survival skills, as far as LIFE experience. However he IS a sick & twisted genius who could have easily taught himself.

Serial killers - Yes outside help. Probably MANY women. And he is the 'classic' profile.
Sex, age, race, adopted. etc.

Here is a VERY lengthy article on his history. Very little is personal or family - mostly crimes & testimonials.


http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2015/06/10/richard-matt-escaped-convict-early-troubles/71010902/



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Mon 06/15/15 11:17 AM
David Sweat - A master planner with a gun obsession , IMO
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David Sweat's Brutal Path To prison

http://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/public-safety/2015/06/10/david-sweats-brutal-path-prison/71017500/

* Very lengthy article*


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Mon 06/15/15 11:41 AM
If they recapture only Richard Matt, will the headline be:

Matt captured: no Sweat

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Mon 06/15/15 11:46 AM
LTme posted >>>
If they recapture only Richard Matt, will the headline be:

Matt captured: no Sweat



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Mon 06/15/15 05:01 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/us/new-york-prison-break

1- Schools open tomorrow, under heavy police protection
2 - State Attorney has now taken oven the investigation
3- 800+ authorities searching



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Mon 06/15/15 05:27 PM
Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Mon 06/15/15 05:28 PM
SassyEuro posted >>>
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/us/new-york-prison-break

1- Schools open tomorrow, under heavy police protection
2 - State Attorney has now taken oven the investigation
3- 800+ authorities searching


I enjoyed the NPR update {around noon} and nice/positive news about the locals - putting ice and water bottles out to the curbs for the search people - giving them a morale boost by tying 'DARK BLUE' ribbons on mail boxes/trees/fencing where they can see them!

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Tue 06/16/15 01:18 AM
DAY 10 & Case is COLD

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/us/new-york-prison-break/index.html


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Tue 06/16/15 02:02 AM
This fuster-cluck is costing U.S. $1 $M / day.

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Tue 06/16/15 06:31 AM
Here in Ks we've had our own incidents of 'prisoner assisted escapes' and this wonderful dog program benefitted both the prisoners and the local animal shelters too!

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Dog trainer helped inmate escape in crate, authorities say
LANSING, Kan. 2-16-2006 (AP) —

A dog trainer who did volunteer work at a prison ran off with a convicted killer after helping him escape in a dog crate loaded into the back of her van, authorities say.
Toby Young, a 48-year-old married mother of two grown sons, was the founder of a program that rescued dogs from animal shelters and worked with inmates to train the pets and make them suitable for adoption.

Authorities at the state prison at Lansing said seven inmates apparently helped pull off the escape Sunday by putting 27-year-old prisoner John Manard into the crate, then hoisting it into her vehicle.

Two guards who were supposed to check the van before it left the prison did not do so, perhaps because they recognized and trusted Young, authorities said.


Young was "well-known and well-liked by everyone," Corrections Department spokesman Bill Miskell said. "It appears that her familiarity with the staff may have played a part."

Miskell refused to speculate on Young's possible motivation. Authorities have declined to say whether Young and the inmate were romantically involved.

In preparation for the escape, Young gathered more than $10,000 in cash, took two guns from her home, bought a vehicle, rented a storage area and bought hair dye and an electric razor that could be used to alter her appearance or Manard's, investigators said.

The state offered a $5,000 reward for information leading to Manard's arrest, but investigators acknowledged the two could be anywhere in the world by now.

Young was known as the "Dog Lady" to inmates at the prison about 25 miles from Kansas City, Mo. In numerous news stories about her Safe Harbor Prison Dog program, Young spoke passionately about her desire to help both the dogs and the inmates improve their lives.

Manard, who was serving a life sentence for murdering a man during a carjacking in 1996, was one of the inmates who helped train the dogs, and he was frequently quoted as praising the program.

Young's family, including her firefighter husband, Pat, refused requests for an interview. On Wednesday, her father read a statement saying family members "simply don't have any ideas why or how this happened." They assured Young they loved her and pleaded with her to come home.

People who worked with Young on the dog program refused to talk to The Associated Press, with one saying they are too overwhelmed to discuss her disappearance.

Before working at the prison, Young received training in which the boundaries between volunteers and inmates were made "extremely clear," Miskell said.

"Our training emphasizes to volunteers what they should and should not do for the inmates," he said. "There is no doubt that she knew the boundaries."

Miskell said prison officials hope the dog program can continue. He said it has proved valuable in getting inmates to behave behind bars.
usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-02-16-crate-escape_x.htm

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Well, indeed - Mrs. Young received the obligatory training of 'how to work with prisoners'; and yet the guard staff were the ones that DROPPED THAT BALL ABOUT DOING THEIR JOBS REGARDLESS OF WHO IT IS THAT IS LEAVING THE FACILITY!!! slaphead frustrated


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Tue 06/16/15 07:23 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 06/16/15 07:24 AM
http://nypost.com/2015/06/14/cuomo-created-a-total-cluster-f-k-in-hunt-for-escaped-killers/

Cuomo created total cluster f--k in escaped-killers hunt


slaphead

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Tue 06/16/15 10:35 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ny-prison-escape-convict-richard-matt-painted-stunning/story?id=31793568

Richard Matt, apparently a great artist (maybe his only good personality trait pitchfork ).
Has painted portraits of female celebrities.



Note - Artistic Ability is ONE of the (possible ) personality traits of a serial killer

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Tue 06/16/15 10:41 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Tue 06/16/15 11:11 AM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/nyregion/in-absence-of-sightings-theories-abound-on-escapees-whereabouts.html?_r=0&referrer=

Convicts could be any where ? :

slaphead








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Tue 06/16/15 10:46 AM
"Convicts could be any where ? :" S2

Except prison.

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Tue 06/16/15 10:53 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/new-york-prison-break/

Story Highlights -

Nothing much, except Richard Matt & David Sweat did plan on killing Judy Mitchell's husband
* Which of course did NOT happen*

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Tue 06/16/15 10:56 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Tue 06/16/15 10:57 AM

"Convicts could be any where ? :" S2

Except prison.


Hhhaaaa I got a kick out of the article.
Is it Mexico? Is is France? Is it Italy ?
The world wants to know.



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Tue 06/16/15 01:08 PM
Conrad_73 posted >>>
http://nypost.com/2015/06/14/cuomo-created-a-total-cluster-f-k-in-hunt-for-escaped-killers/

Cuomo created total cluster f--k in escaped-killers hunt
slaphead


Well, that was a thoroughly disgusting & frustrating read; 2 much TESTOSTERONE and huge EGOS all crowded into one small space and about a issue that has lots of 'MEDIA PRESSURE' = Nothing worth while getting accomplished and lots of miss-steps and over looked items! rant

TY...for the link and exasperated head-ache grumble