Topic: Two murderers escaped from NY prison. Still loose?
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- RICHARD MATT

HUNDREDS hunt for escaped prisoners on Day
Richard Matt, the dangerously charismatic escapee at the center of the N.Y. manhunt
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By Sarah Kaplan June 12 ,2015

“ You can never have enough security with him , ” one police officer said of Richard Matt , one of the convicts who escaped from a maximum -security prison in upstate New York last weekend. “ You can never trust him . You can never turn your back on him . ”
“ He is the most vicious , evil person I ’ ve ever come across in 38 years as a police officer , ” the officer , retired North Tonawanda Police Department captain Gabriel DiBernardo, told the New York Times.
DiBernardo was the lead detective on the murder case that put Matt , 48, in prison. Now he’ s out, having engineered a brazen and seemingly inexplicable escape alongside a fellow inmate from Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, N . Y . The breakout set off a frantic manhunt across the area . Roads and schools have been closed and neighborhood streets swarmed with police officers as the low whine of search planes and a hum of anxiety cut through the summer air.
[Bloodhounds track escaped killers not far from New York prison ; DA says they had help ]
Meanwhile, those who know Matt — acquaintances , an old girlfriend, police officers from his past, even his own family — are horrified that the man they describe as charming, brutal and savagely brilliant has escaped from prison . Again.
“ You know he has escaped before. He has a genius IQ . I can’ t believe they let this happen , ” Matt ’ s son , 23- year -old Nicholas Harris , told the Buffalo News.
But Matt has a history of doing things that seemed unbelievable, either because they were too improbable or too brutal . Often , they were both .
His checkered history began early . Growing up in the small city of Tonawanda , N . Y . , about 12 miles north of Buffalo , he was known as a troublemaker, a schoolmate told the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle .
“ He would terrorize kids on the ( school) bus, ” Randy Szukala said . “ Friends of mine knew him . He would just terrorize people. Even in elementary, junior high , he had issues . ”
But Harris, Matt ’ s son , said that his father was plagued by a troubled upbringing .
“ He was left as an infant in a car. Everybody is born innocent , but he was raised around crime , ” Harris told the Buffalo News.
[Gallery : Inside the escape route of two murderers’ N .Y . prison break]
David Bentley , a retired detective from Tonawanda who attempted to mentor the troubled teen , told the New York Times that Matt ran away from a youth home at age 14, escaping on a stolen horse .
“ He was in and out of jail constantly, ” Bentley told the Buffalo News . “ Burglary ; they alleged he committed a horrific rape , but I think he beat the charge on that; stolen cars; everything but drugs. ”
In 1986, at age 19, Matt was convicted and sentenced to a year in the Erie County Correction Facility . But that term was interrupted when Matt , taking advantage of a guard ’ s mistake, slipped out of his cell , scaled a 9- foot brick and metal wall topped with razor wire and hopped a freight train to his brother’ s house in Tonawanda. When police finally tracked him down five days later , they found him brandishing an ax handle in his brother’ s apartment .
Harris can recall his father showing off the scars he got during that breakout, he told the Buffalo News .
Matt was in and out of jail after that, according to Tonawanda officers who knew him in the late ’ 80s and early ’ 90s . Tonawanda Police Captain Frederic Foels described him as a small time thug to the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle.
“ We always knew him as Ricky: ‘ Ricky Matt did this , Ricky Matt did that. ’ We were very well familiar with him at the time, ” he said .
Harris barely knew his father during that period , but his stories about him are frightening — he told the Buffalo News that Matt broke into his mother ’ s house and beat her when he was a baby . But at the same time , the young man knew how charismatic his father could be.
“ He makes an impression that lingers with you , ” Harris said . He told the Buffalo News how Matt had charmed his mother , Vee Marie Harris .
“ He had a crush on my mother and would say to her , ‘ If I were older, would you be my girl ?’” Harris said . “ He ’ d lower his head and kick his foot against the ground when he asked . She would tell him he was so young . But then she met him later when he was in his 20s and he was a good-looking guy . They started dating and she got pregnant with me . ”
That squares with Bentley ’ s recollection of Matt .
“ When [ Matt ’ s ] cleaned up, he ’ s very handsome and, in all frankness, very well -endowed . He gets girlfriends any place he goes, ” he told the Daily Beast.
There are several reports that Matt and his fellow escapee may have been helped by a female prison employee , who allegedly agreed to drive their getaway car but later got cold feet and never showed up. According to NBC, the employee may have been “ charmed ” by the charismatic Matt. The Washington Post cannot independently confirm these reports.
[How to escape a maximum security prison ]
Matt was also powerfully persuasive when he wanted to be. In 1991, while imprisoned in Erie County yet again , he convinced a fellow inmate — California socialite David Telstar who was jailed for embezzlement — to pay his $15, 000 bail. Telstar then offered to pay Matt to murder his wife and her parents , according to a
1992 Los Angeles Times story, not knowing that Matt was a jailhouse informant. Telstar later pleaded guilty to the murder- for -hire scheme .
Matt exercised his chilling combination of charisma , coercion and cruelty again in 1997, in the murder for which he was serving 25 years to life before his breakout last weekend. According to the Associated Press , he convinced an accomplice, then 21-year - old Lee Bates, to help him kidnap , torture and murder Matt ’ s former boss, businessman William Rickerson . Bates told authorities that the duo dumped Rickerson in a car dressed only in his pajamas, driving from New York to Ohio and back while Matt tried to get the older man to tell him about large sums of money Matt was convinced Rickerson had hidden somewhere. At one point , Matt opened the trunk and bent back Rickerson’ s fingers until they broke , Bates said . Then he snapped Rickerson ’ s neck with his bare hands .
DiBernardo, the lead investigator in the Rickerson murder case , told the Buffalo News that Bates was probably terrified into helping Matt.
“[ Matt] was very imposing , a big muscular man and very strong . So out of fear, yes , ” he said .
“ Ricky [ would ] dominate , ” Johanna Capretto , Matt’ s ex -girlfriend, testified at his 2008 trial, according to the Daily Beast. She described Bates as “ pretty much [ a] follower. ”
Weeks later , Matt showed up at the apartment of his half brother, Wayne Schimpf . At Matt’ s trial a year later , Schimpf said he was unnerved by Matt ’ s sudden appearance .
“ He said that he was in a lot of trouble , ” Schimpf testified,
according to the Daily Beast. He added that Matt showed him an article about Rickerson ’ s killing , saying he thought he may have killed the man by accident .
“ I just kind of looked at him like , ‘ Are you for real ?’” Schimpf said . “ And I just says — I mean, I couldn ’ t believe that he did it. I says , ‘ How did you do it? How did you hack him up , with a chainsaw or something ?’
“ He turned and looked at me, and with a grin that I won ’ t forget , he said , ‘ With a hacksaw , '” Schimpf testified. “ This whole time I ’ m still thinking he ’ s full of crap , he’ s just trying to sound big . You know , I really didn ’ t want to believe it. ”
[ The crimes that put escaped inmates Matt , Sweat in prison ]
Later , Matt told Schimpf that he needed to get out of town and asked to borrow his car , Schimpf testified. When Schimpf refused , Matt reportedly told him , “ You ’ re my brother, you ’ re my blood. I love you but I ’ ll kill you . ”
Schimpf made copies of his keys , the Daily Beast reported , and soon after his car was gone. Matt had fled to Mexico, where he quickly got into trouble again . In 1998, according to the Buffalo News, Matt was imprisoned for killing another American in a fight outside a bar .
Matt attempted to escape from there too , his son said .
“ He said he made it up to the roof of the prison and got shot in the shoulder . He pulled down his shirt and showed us the bullet wound , ” Harris told the Buffalo News . “ This guy has bullet holes on his body . He ’ s been shot like nine times . It ’ s like they can’ t kill him . ”
In 2007, Matt was extradited back to the U . S . along with a drug cartel kingpin. According to Rick Pfeiffer , a court reporter who covered Matt’ s trial for the now -defunct Tonawanda News , the U . S . government hadn ’ t negotiated for Matt. He just showed up.
“ There had been no discussion with the American government about extradition , ” Pfeiffer t old the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle. “ He had just been such a difficult prisoner — if you can imagine a guy who seemed too difficult to stay in a Mexican prison. ”
At his 2008 trial for the Rickerson murder , officials went to great lengths to ensure that Matt could not escape or endanger anyone, the New York Times reported. The glass that covered courtroom tables was removed for fear that Matt might break it and use one of the shards as a weapon . A sniper watched over the courthouse and double the usual number of deputies were posted as guards . Matt wore an electric stun belt aimed at preventing an escape .
“ It can never be overdone with Rick Matt , ” DiBernardo told the Times. “ He ’ s a cunning individual , and a strong individual , physically strong . There’ s no question he can handle himself . ”
Even Matt’ s attorney , assistant public defender Matthew P . Pynn , seemed wary of his client’ s charisma .
“ I can’ t explain it, ” he said ,
according to the Buffalo News . “ I can see him as a guy who would have a lot of friends . … Rick Matt was a fun but dangerous guy to hang around with . ”
One of the jurors in the trial , Brett Sawyer of Lockport , N . Y . , said that Matt looked like “ a cult leader , ” dressed in stylish suits donated by a friend .
“ It seems he has a way of manipulating people to do things, ” Sawyer told the Buffalo News.
After four weeks of testimony , Matt was convicted in only four hours. That night , Bentley — the Tonawanda officer who knew Matt when he was growing up — got a letter from the man who he once had tried to mentor .
“ You lied in court to [ expletive ] me over for the DA, ” the note read , according to the Buffalo News. “ You also make it very clear that we are not friends . I ’ ll remember both …”
“ Dot- dot- dot. Like there ’ s more to come , ” Bentley said back in 2008.
There was . On June 6, Matt and a second inmate, 34- year -old David Sweat, broke out of Clinton Correctional Facility by drilling through steel walls and pipes with power tools.
“ It was really unbelievable, ” New York Gov . Andrew Cuomo ( D ) told CNN. “ If it was a movie plot, you would say that it was overdone. ”
Those who have dealt with Matt before are less surprised. Bentley told the New York Times that he ’ s prepared to defend himself against Matt. DiBernardo said he’ s uneasy that the man he helped put behind bars is out again .
“ It ’ s not a good feeling to know he’ s out there . … Anything is possible with Rick Matt, ” he told the Buffalo News . “ I keep watching the news and I hope they stop him before he does something violent again , because he is full of violence. That ’ s his life .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/12/richard-matt-the-dangerously-charismatic-escapee-at-the-center-of-the-n-y-manhunt/

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From the link that SassyEuro provided >>>

In 1998, according to the Buffalo News, Matt was imprisoned for killing another American in a fight outside a bar .
Matt attempted to escape from there too , his son said .
'He said he made it up to the roof of the prison and got shot in the shoulder . He pulled down his shirt and showed us the bullet wound, Harris told the Buffalo News . 'This guy has bullet holes on his body. He's been shot like nine times. It's like they can't kill him.'

In 2007, Matt was extradited back to the U.S. along with a drug cartel kingpin


rant Ok - Ok...granted I'm NOT IN CHARGE of incarcerated humans {never have been} and yet the more this story unfolds or gets peeled away like layers of a 'STINKING ONION' --- this crap seriously just pissed me OFF!

1. you've got a repeat offender at escape attempts
2. you put him in a position where he's working with/along side a female
3. upgrade his 'CLASSIFICATION' to a lesser degree of 'PROBLEM' and allow him more privileges
4. now the massive amount of 'MAN POWER - AGENCIES - COMMUNITY TERROR' and this is just UTTER BAFFLING BS...IMO


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NEW: Joyce Mitchell is transferred from Clinton County Jail, officials say
Convicted killers Richard Matt and David Sweat have been on the run since June 6
Mitchell, a prison tailor, allegedly provided them with the tools for their brazen escape
(CNN)— Prison worker Joyce Mitchell is in custody, accused of aiding in a daring prison escape. The two convicted killers she allegedly helped are free, but on the run.
Mitchell allegedly provided Richard Matt and David Sweat with the tools to cut through cell walls for their escape from an upstate New York prison a week ago.
"The defendant did intentionally ... and unlawfully introduce hacksaw blades, chisels, a punch and a screwdriver bit, dangerous contraband, into Clinton Correctional Facility," court records said.
Mitchell allegedly brought the items to the prison on May 1.
On Saturday, Mitchell was transferred from the Clinton County Jail about 150 miles south to the Rensselaer County Correctional Facility. Clinton County Sheriff David Favro said the move was meant to avoid the distraction of jailing her near the massive manhunt. Her next court appearance is Monday.
She was arraigned Friday night on a felony charge of promoting prison contraband and a misdemeanor charge of criminal facilitation. She pleaded not guilty.
If convicted, she faces up to eight years behind bars.
Convict made her feel 'special'
Matt and Sweat's escape was discovered during an early morning bed check at Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora.
While making their escape, they slipped through holes and cut into a steel plate and a steam pipe, then got out through a manhole and onto the street.
And Mitchell had a lot to do with their ability to plan out the daring escape, authorities said.
She supplied tools used in the escape and was their possible getaway driver before she got cold feet, authorities said. Her cell phone was also used to make calls to people connected to Matt, according to a source. It's not known who made these calls.
Mitchell has told investigators that Matt made her feel "special" though she didn't say she was in love with him, a source familiar with the investigation said.
Her husband and prison co-worker, Lyle Mitchell, is also under investigation, but has not been arrested or charged, authorities said. He worked in the maintenance department at the tailoring block where his spouse was employed, Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie said.
Lyle Mitchell has worked at the prison since 2005, most recently as an industrial training supervisor, the same title his wife held, according to state records.
Lyle Mitchell cried when allegations surfaced against his wife, according to a friend who did not want to be named. The friend said Lyle Mitchell asked how his wife could do such a thing.
Infamous manhunts: When police have tracked fugitives into the wild
How did she allegedly help convicts?
Joyce Mitchell provided hacksaw blades, drill bits and lighted eyeglasses to the convicts before their escape, sources said.
The hacksaw blades and other items given to Matt were purchased over the past few months, according to law enforcement sources.
Matt and Sweat used power tools to cut through cell walls. Despite the time, effort and noise likely involved, authorities didn't learn anything was amiss until a bed check at 5:30 a.m. Saturday.
Authorities believe the fugitives are continuing their escape as a pair, two law enforcement sources said.
Towns under virtual lockdown
Relationship investigated
State Department of Corrections officials had received a complaint about the relationship between Joyce Mitchell and one of the two escapees, according to a state official. The department didn't find enough evidence to support the complaint, though that does not mean the inmate and prison worker weren't close.
"I don't believe that the information was that there was absolutely no relationship," said Wylie, the district attorney.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/13/us/new-york-prison-break/


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Sat 06/13/15 11:51 AM
I'm suspicious.... now
Ispock

1- In approx 7hrs, it will be technically, 8 days (prison bed ck time).
What is the problem, that they have not been found dead or alive.?
2- Did they actually leave the prison alive? But they there is the tailor/seamstress who went to the hospital w/an anxiety attack & confession.
3- Are they both dead? Shot ? Died from the run? Where are the bodies?
4- Is only one dead? Did the older & more dangerous one kill the younger to increase his chances?
5- Why is there NO REAL news & updates now? Last real/ new update was ' Richard Matthews may be headed for Texas.... & that Judy Mitchell's husband had knowledge of the escape (after the fact), & may have helped.
6- OVER 500 law enforcement officers (of a variety), & blood hounds & police dogs & every technology possible at their disposal... & NOTHING !?

Sure Richard Matthews is a Criminal & a
" Genius ", but come on...!

Yo! New York! Do you still think the NO DEATH PENALTY idea WAS a GOOD idea?

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Sat 06/13/15 02:05 PM
SassyEuro posted >>>
Yo! New York! Do you still think the NO DEATH PENALTY idea WAS a GOOD idea?


AAAAAMEN SISTER!!!

I've always found it extremely 'ODD' how whenever this death penalty questions rears it's head up - the stats & data will be flung out into the topic/thread about how expensive it is to put someone on 'DEATH ROW' --- SERIOUSLY noway

Those intelligent humans in charge can't see their way around that $$$ issuethink

I've got quite a few 'budget-belt tightening tips' that would save those penal institutions huge annual over head costs...but the ACLU might object! But all those extra federal dollars could be way better spent on our VA - medical needs for wounded warriors! rant

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SassyEuro posted >>>
Yo! New York! Do you still think the NO DEATH PENALTY idea WAS a GOOD idea?


AAAAAMEN SISTER!!!

I've always found it extremely 'ODD' how whenever this death penalty questions rears it's head up - the stats & data will be flung out into the topic/thread about how expensive it is to put someone on 'DEATH ROW' --- SERIOUSLY noway

Those intelligent humans in charge can't see their way around that $$$ issuethink

I've got quite a few 'budget-belt tightening tips' that would save those penal institutions huge annual over head costs...but the ACLU might object! But all those extra federal dollars could be way better spent on our VA - medical needs for wounded warriors! rant


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2OLD2MESSAROUND,

I agree with you 100% on this. If as a nation we thought more about the economy & justice & the TRULY deserving like ALL our veterans, we would be better people as a whole.

I could rant all day about our prison system & cuddling the guilty. If it were up to me, Eastern Europe prisons is what they deserve OR DEATH.
I checked 3-5 sites & could NOT find out how many states HAVE the death penalty- (14-24 ?, one conflicting report after another, including the NAACP ) what is WRONG with this picture? Only thing I learned was that COP KILLERS are NOT being executed (and dome child advocacy groups are ANTI- Death Penalty claiming that the child/victim will suffer more psychological damage & equate molestation/rape to murder..... WHAT !!!!??? & this is MORE & more common.... so disturbing! explode


offtopic I really need a rant thread for ridiculous laws & injustice

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Sat 06/13/15 06:28 PM
New York Times

In Search for Escapees, Voracious Bugs, Poisonous Plants and Muddy Woods
Officers searching along a forested area in Cadyville, N.Y., for two prisoners who escaped last week from the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, N.Y.
NANCIE BATTAGLIA FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES

By RICK ROJAS
JUNE 13, 2015

CADYVILLE, N.Y. — These rolling woods, just miles from the New York State prison where two convicted killers escaped a week ago, can be brutally unforgiving to the unacquainted. It is easy to get disoriented, local residents say, and between the bugs and the wet weather, it might be the second worst time of year for anyone to try seek refuge there. Winter, of course, would be far worse.
“I’m sure if they’re out in the elements, they’re not having a good time,” said Dan Ladd, an outdoors columnist for a local newspaper, The Press-Republican, in Plattsburgh . “It can’t be fun.”
For days, hundreds of searchers have been working around the clock, pushing deeper into an area of homes and dense woodlands, trying to find Richard Matt, 48, and David Sweat, who turns 35 on Sunday, after their escape from the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, N.Y. If the men have been stuck in this muddy thicket of pine and spruce since their escape, they have been confronted by inhospitable conditions that could make finding food, water and shelter a challenge but would also complicate the efforts to track them down.
“You’ve got to assume they’re cold, wet, tired and hungry,” Major Charles E. Guess of the New York State Police said in a news conference on Friday. Even experienced campers and hikers would be challenged by conditions in the woods, and there is no evidence that the two men had any extensive outdoor skills.
On Saturday, conditions in Dannemora and surrounding areas were actually idyllic: warm sun, clear skies and a gentle breeze. A cordon of some 300 members of the Corrections Department Emergency Response Team – CERT – prepared to canvass yet another swath of woods and wilderness just south of the prison along Route 3. Wearing dark blue fatigues, heavy vests and sidearms, team members – some already sweating and gulping water – were encouraged by supervisors, who also reminded them to “check your ammo.”
“Good job, Team 11,” one said. “You guys are solid.”
Spaced in between the team members were State Police troopers and rangers, some carrying rifles. It was a surreal and unnerving sight for some residents of Route 3, the line of men along the highway another sign of the strangeness – and unpleasantness — of life here right now.
“We’re sick of being prisoners in our own home,” said Shelly St. Denis, 37, who said she had been scared often during the last week, but was comforted by the sight of the search teams. But like others in the area, Ms. St. Denis said she had also taken some security steps of her own.
“I’m not a gun person,” she said. “But I’ll tell you what: We have a gun.”
After lining up along Route 3, the CERT teams – each man spaced about 20 feet apart – marched down the embankment and into the woods, cracking brush along the way. Other teams fanned out through pastures, where several corralled horses sauntered.
The number of people searching have slowly grown as the days have passed, with state officials now saying more than 800 are hunting Mr. Matt and Mr. Sweat in a five-square-mile area east of the prison. On Saturday morning, the teams along Route 3 were pushing north, back towards the Clinton Correctional Facility: slowly, arduously checking every acre, often stopping – “Hold!” members shout – and then moving on.
Alexandra Farrington, 22, a recent graduate of George Mason University, had come home to Cadyville on Wednesday after a trip to Eastern Europe. She was amazed, and frightened, by what was happening in her hometown.
“It’s ironically safer in Albania,” she said. “I came here and I can’t go outside.”
Those who know the terrain have made jokes that, if the men are in these woods, they are surprised the pair have not turned themselves over to the authorities by now, beaten up by nature and begging for a break. The rain has fallen regularly and hard. The woods are filled with skunks, porcupines and black bears. Then there are the bugs that swarm the forest this time of year: black flies, ticks and deer flies.
“It wouldn’t surprise me if when they get them, they’re going to be severely bug bitten,” said Brandon Minogue, 25, an emergency medical technician from Plattsburgh who was waiting for calls at the firehouse in Cadyville.
“I wouldn’t be surprised if they come back sick,” added a colleague, Emily Oczechowski, 27.
There are many threats from nature that the escapees would face, those who know the woods said.
They could catch Lyme disease from the ticks or they could drink contaminated water. There is poison ivy, poison sumac and hogweed, and days spent slushing through the rain and mud leaves them vulnerable as well. “The dangers at this point, if they are not in a cabin, are hypothermia, dehydration and exhaustion,” said Shane Hobel, founder of the Mountain Scout Survival School in Beacon, N.Y.
Survival experts say sustenance is available: The woods are crowded with deer during these months, so they could kill one and eat the meat. Wild strawberries, or the inner bark of some trees, such as birch and white pine, can also be eaten. But there are still plenty of hardships. If they wanted to start a fire for warmth or cooking, they would have to be careful because the smoke could give away their location. They may not have the necessary tools to hunt. “And unless they know their edible plants, which I highly doubt these guys do, they’re in trouble,” Mr. Hobel said.
The typically quiet and idyllic landscape near Cadyville, a small community southeast of Dannemora, has been interrupted by the helicopters hovering over the woods, fleets of four-wheeled all-terrain vehicles and officers lining major roadways and blocking streets.
But it is unclear what, if anything, has come of the search.
The conditions that would make existence difficult for the men trying to hide are certainly not any easier for the law enforcement officers they are trying to evade. (More than one police officer with a drier assignment has quietly confessed that they do not envy their colleagues in the field.)
For one thing, Mr. Ladd said, the wet ground makes it harder for investigators to hear any footsteps. And in woods as thick as these, visibility is severely limited. “Someone could be hiding six feet away from you, and you couldn’t see them,” said Harrison Hobbs, 60, one of the emergency medical technicians at the firehouse.
Ms. Oczechowski, a native of the area, added that investigators were venturing into rarely visited places. “This is probably the most it’s been walked ever,” she said.
Many around here are stumped by the possibility that they did not get any farther than a few miles from the prison. The authorities said there have been more than 700 leads, and searchers have looked in the nearby community of Willsboro. Officials have also raised the possibility that they might have fled to Vermont. But in recent days, the search has zeroed in on this area.
“They didn’t make it that far,” Ms. Oczechowski said. “I’m just saying.”
Danny Sullivan, 24, said the whole ordeal has reminded him of another escape: A while back, one of his family’s pigs got away and they had to search through the woods. “It’s thick, thick, thick,” he said.
“The only reason we caught him was because of the mud,” said Mr. Sullivan, who works for the apple orchard that his family has run for more than 35 years. But, he added, “He got around a lot better than these inmates, if they’re still around here.”

Jesse McKinley contributed reporting from Cadyville and Lisa Foderaro from New York City.



http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/nyregion/in-search-for-escapees-voracious-bugs-poison-plants-and-muddy-woods.html

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Sat 06/13/15 06:42 PM
Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Sat 06/13/15 06:43 PM
SassyEuro posted >>>

I agree with you 100% on this. If as a nation we thought more about the economy & justice & the TRULY deserving like ALL our veterans, we would be better people as a whole.

I could rant all day about our prison system & cuddling the guilty. If it were up to me, Eastern Europe prisons is what they deserve OR DEATH.
I checked 3-5 sites & could NOT find out how many states HAVE the death penalty- (14-24 ?, one conflicting report after another, including the NAACP ) what is WRONG with this picture? Only thing I learned was that COP KILLERS are NOT being executed (and dome child advocacy groups are ANTI- Death Penalty claiming that the child/victim will suffer more psychological damage & equate molestation/rape to murder..... WHAT !!!!??? & this is MORE & more common.... so disturbing! explode

offtopic I really need a rant thread for ridiculous laws & injustice


Well...my state of KS is/was until the Supreme Court got involved and brought that all to a 'SCREECHING HALT'explode It seems our legal legislators couldn't write up a 'BILL' and word it correctly and it was challenged and now it's all held up due to the 'METHOD' and injectable solutions that aren't being made anymore!!!

Between 'BIG PHARMA' and our state's attorney's and now my MORON GOVENOR --- my state is 'F'd Up Beyond Repair!!! grumble

from your link
Alexandra Farrington, 22, a recent graduate of George Mason University, had come home to Cadyville on Wednesday after a trip to Eastern Europe. She was amazed, and frightened, by what was happening in her hometown.
'��It'��s ironically safer in Albania,'�� she said. '��I came here and I can'��t go outside.'


:wink: I did chuckle about this comment...and yet I can't imagine the claustrophobic sensation that I would be suffering if I couldn't move around without an escort or just go outside to 'HANG OUT'!!!

Frankly - I'm hoping that they find only mangled body parts from a 'BEAR' attack; enough mess'n around with those 2 'EVIL DOERS'!!! :angry:

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Sat 06/13/15 07:13 PM
2OLD2MESSAROUND quoted

Frankly - I'm hoping that they find only mangled body parts from a 'BEAR' attack; enough mess'n around with those 2 'EVIL DOERS'!!!
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I'm hoping that a few of the locals got to them, killed them & buried them or disposed of them.
This is plausible in so many ways, especially considering the occupations of the residents.
This could be why there isn't any new news coming out of the area. Perhaps they are all trying to figure out " What now?... Let's say, they split up & one is headed to Texas " . Hhhaaaa...
By day 3, I expected to hear about cadaver dogs brought in, this would be protocol. And now, it is day 7-8.
Curious, very curious....

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Sat 06/13/15 08:24 PM
"I'm hoping that a few of the locals got to them, killed them" S2

That's much too quick.
They're fairly young.
I think a few more decades in prison might be the way to go with it.

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Sun 06/14/15 04:12 AM
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Sun 06/14/15 05:41 AM

2OLD2MESSAROUND quoted

Frankly - I'm hoping that they find only mangled body parts from a 'BEAR' attack; enough mess'n around with those 2 'EVIL DOERS'!!!

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SassyEuro stated >>>
I'm hoping that a few of the locals got to them, killed them & buried them or disposed of them.
This is plausible in so many ways, especially considering the occupations of the residents.
This could be why there isn't any new news coming out of the area. Perhaps they are all trying to figure out " What now?... Let's say, they split up & one is headed to Texas " . Hhhaaaa...
By day 3, I expected to hear about cadaver dogs brought in, this would be protocol. And now, it is day 7-8.
Curious, very curious....


But...there is that nice reward that the governor's office {or someone} put out there; that alone ought to bring in the 'Bounty Hunters' and as many gun toten NRA members as humanly possible think Is the reward still at $100,000 or have they increased it?

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Sun 06/14/15 08:27 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Sun 06/14/15 08:33 AM
2OLD2MESSAROUND - quoted

But...there is that nice reward that the governor's office {or someone} put out there; that alone ought to bring in the 'Bounty Hunters' and as many gun toten NRA members as humanly possible Is the reward still at $100,000 or have they increased it?

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Governor Cuomo, stated on a New York morning TV show, & to the media, that the reward is set at $50,000 for one escape & $100,000 for both.
* remains the same *


No NEWS coming out... but found 2 interesting tib bits from the past week.

Smiley note -
Animal ( New York), June 7,2015

m.animal new York.com/2015/heres-raciest-smiley-face-inmates-left-authorities-prison-break/

Gov Cuormo said on a New York morning show this the sticky note left on a pillow Friday night (8 days ago), was raciest.


I checked 8 other news outlets, none are referring to the sticky note as raciest. ONLY New York media has.
* IMO this is just a distraction an being inept... Hhhaaaa *


Cell phones

1- Prisoners claim to have seen the escapees with phones.
2- The authorities believe the escapees have two.
3- Judy Mitchell made calls from HER cell phone for them

Unfortunately MANY prisoners have access to cell phones brought in as contraband & even given or sold to them by the guards.
Each prison has it's on rules as far as ''computer use', sometimes all prisoners have access, sometimes certain ones, sometimes they are monitored, sometimes they are NOT.
IT IS UP TO THE WARDEN & the Prison Board.
As PLANNED OUT as the escape & evading capture had been. One or both of the prisoners could of been using a prison computer or going on the web via mobile phone.





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Sun 06/14/15 08:34 AM
those Grubs must still be tasty!huh

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Sun 06/14/15 03:50 PM
Well C7,
escargot (snails), considered a delicacy by the French.

I don't know where these guys are.

But we know where they belong.

We should have an office pool.

... how many days before these murderers get their just deserts ...?

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Sun 06/14/15 04:08 PM
Unfortunately MANY prisoners have access to
cell phones brought in as contraband & even
given or sold to them by the guards.

...or.....




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Mon 06/15/15 03:17 AM
6:AM / ET
Still gone.

I don't care much for disparaging our law enforcers, BUT !!!

The 6:AM news report I saw indicated there's security cam video from the day of the escape that the police are still reviewing.

Why would it take 8 days for 800 COPs to view one day of video?!

If anyone wants to put some theatrical perspective on this, I invite you to review a wonderful Sly Stallone movie titled First Blood. There were some sequels that bit the penguin, so skip those.

But the original First Blood movie was fairly well done.

There's one particular scene where a news reporter [na�ve narrator] praises police efforts to capture the fugitive.
"It's d�j� vu all over again."

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Mon 06/15/15 06:39 AM
Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Mon 06/15/15 06:43 AM
OK - OK...WTF? Unbelievable and totally inexcusable that she was left in her working area/position of employment after this prior investigation! She became nothing more then a 'WEAK MENTAL' link in the control chain with that penitentiary rant
She should have been relocated to another JOB!!!

Joyce Mitchell, the prison worker accused of helping two inmates escape in upstate New York, was investigated for a prior sexual incident with escapee David Sweat, sources familiar with the investigation told NBC News.

After the incident, which was investigated by prison officials, the other escapee, Richard Matt, charmed himself into her affection -�� so much that she "thought it was love,"sources said.

District Attorney Andrew Wylie said on Friday that Mitchell was previously investigated because of a complaint that she had a relationship with Sweat, but he said there wasn't "sufficient information" to remove her from the prison or charge her.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/new-york-prison-escape/new-york-prison-worker-backed-out-escape-plan-prosecutor-n375446

And after all of her 'sneaking' contraband into and out of this prison location - I called a couple of local people {they work at the El Dorado - Correctional Facility} and I was told that they are checked on their person - that their personal lockers are checked daily - that there would be 'NO WAY' of getting those large power tools and other items 'IF THE SECURITY PERSONNEL WERE/HAD BEEN DOING THEIR JOBS'...noway grumble rant

Seems that this place needs a thorough house cleaning for daily protocol and what & who is doing their jobs properly!

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Mon 06/15/15 08:05 AM

OK - OK...WTF? Unbelievable and totally inexcusable that she was left in her working area/position of employment after this prior investigation! She became nothing more then a 'WEAK MENTAL' link in the control chain with that penitentiary rant
She should have been relocated to another JOB!!!

Joyce Mitchell, the prison worker accused of helping two inmates escape in upstate New York, was investigated for a prior sexual incident with escapee David Sweat, sources familiar with the investigation told NBC News.

After the incident, which was investigated by prison officials, the other escapee, Richard Matt, charmed himself into her affection -�� so much that she "thought it was love,"sources said.

District Attorney Andrew Wylie said on Friday that Mitchell was previously investigated because of a complaint that she had a relationship with Sweat, but he said there wasn't "sufficient information" to remove her from the prison or charge her.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/new-york-prison-escape/new-york-prison-worker-backed-out-escape-plan-prosecutor-n375446

And after all of her 'sneaking' contraband into and out of this prison location - I called a couple of local people {they work at the El Dorado - Correctional Facility} and I was told that they are checked on their person - that their personal lockers are checked daily - that there would be 'NO WAY' of getting those large power tools and other items 'IF THE SECURITY PERSONNEL WERE/HAD BEEN DOING THEIR JOBS'...noway grumble rant

Seems that this place needs a thorough house cleaning for daily protocol and what & who is doing their jobs properly!



Oh I know.. this is why I posted earlier that I could rant all day on our prison system.
And why, was ' Mr Murder & Dismemberment ', allowed to have ANY contact with a CIVILIAN ? * rhetorical*

Insanity- and the state, the prison board, the warden, the guards, her boss & her (& maybe her husband) are ALL responsible for this nightmare.

And of course the authorities & this so called 'search/manhunt' is just a joke.
Something is NOT Kosher here.

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Mon 06/15/15 08:24 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ny-prison-escape-joyce-mitchell-court-search-convicts/story?id=31768440

ABC News - 40 minutes ago, Joyce Mitchell appeared in court