Topic: There is no God?
mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/29/15 10:02 AM



i don't see a god to replace... even taking science outa the picture, just logic is enough...


You are your own god moe.
I think even if something were to happen to point towards the existence of God, you'd choose to deny it completely. Leave it either to coincidence or dumb luck.


depends on the "something" that points towards it.. i'm open to believe, but as of yet, there is no reason to...

coincidence is just random events, and no one can deny they happen all the time, and luck is just another word for coincidence...

i do believe that everything can be explained through science, just some things not at the moment...

to me, believing in a god is like believing in magic, or other mythical beings... magic is possible, IMO, as a griffon is possible as well... with the right science, they can make both happen, so a god is not outa the question...

prashant01's photo
Tue 09/29/15 10:07 AM




I only want to find out and understand why some people choose to believe that there is no such thing as God.



I just know that god is not a thing ( Material),but I believe strongly that it does exist.

I know the different reasons too for what different people believes that it doesn't exist....and I always prefer to leave it to their own intellect.


Do you find those reasons valid?


Still didn't.

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Tue 09/29/15 10:14 AM




i don't see a god to replace... even taking science outa the picture, just logic is enough...


You are your own god moe.
I think even if something were to happen to point towards the existence of God, you'd choose to deny it completely. Leave it either to coincidence or dumb luck.


depends on the "something" that points towards it.. i'm open to believe, but as of yet, there is no reason to...

coincidence is just random events, and no one can deny they happen all the time, and luck is just another word for coincidence...

i do believe that everything can be explained through science, just some things not at the moment...

to me, believing in a god is like believing in magic, or other mythical beings... magic is possible, IMO, as a griffon is possible as well... with the right science, they can make both happen, so a god is not outa the question...


You would be so lucky for God to prove himself to you in the manner you choose and with an answer you find acceptable. It's not impossible...but you would be so lucky for that to happen.
I had it happen once, and only as a matter of personal acknowledgement of a series of unlikely events being as such. i still face everyday in a conflict with Him, and a choice to continue life with him or without him.
Maybe you should just challenge him. Seems like you have nothing else to lose by doing so, anyways. ohwell

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Tue 09/29/15 10:15 AM





I only want to find out and understand why some people choose to believe that there is no such thing as God.



I just know that god is not a thing ( Material),but I believe strongly that it does exist.

I know the different reasons too for what different people believes that it doesn't exist....and I always prefer to leave it to their own intellect.


Do you find those reasons valid?


Still didn't.


Which is why i also wonder about the reasons.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/29/15 10:22 AM





i don't see a god to replace... even taking science outa the picture, just logic is enough...


You are your own god moe.
I think even if something were to happen to point towards the existence of God, you'd choose to deny it completely. Leave it either to coincidence or dumb luck.


depends on the "something" that points towards it.. i'm open to believe, but as of yet, there is no reason to...

coincidence is just random events, and no one can deny they happen all the time, and luck is just another word for coincidence...

i do believe that everything can be explained through science, just some things not at the moment...

to me, believing in a god is like believing in magic, or other mythical beings... magic is possible, IMO, as a griffon is possible as well... with the right science, they can make both happen, so a god is not outa the question...


You would be so lucky for God to prove himself to you in the manner you choose and with an answer you find acceptable. It's not impossible...but you would be so lucky for that to happen.
I had it happen once, and only as a matter of personal acknowledgement of a series of unlikely events being as such. i still face everyday in a conflict with Him, and a choice to continue life with him or without him.
Maybe you should just challenge him. Seems like you have nothing else to lose by doing so, anyways. ohwell


lucky, i guess, would be a good word for it...

nothing to lose, nothing to gain... I might go to heaven if i do the right things? i might go to heaven and have 75 virgins waiting on me if i kill a bunch of people too... if a god wanted/needed my belief, for whatever reason it would to want/need it, it would do so... there's not much i can do either way, right?

as long as your happy in your beliefs, thats all that really matters, seems that most religious people are generally happier as a whole than none believers...

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Tue 09/29/15 10:29 AM






i don't see a god to replace... even taking science outa the picture, just logic is enough...


You are your own god moe.
I think even if something were to happen to point towards the existence of God, you'd choose to deny it completely. Leave it either to coincidence or dumb luck.


depends on the "something" that points towards it.. i'm open to believe, but as of yet, there is no reason to...

coincidence is just random events, and no one can deny they happen all the time, and luck is just another word for coincidence...

i do believe that everything can be explained through science, just some things not at the moment...

to me, believing in a god is like believing in magic, or other mythical beings... magic is possible, IMO, as a griffon is possible as well... with the right science, they can make both happen, so a god is not outa the question...


You would be so lucky for God to prove himself to you in the manner you choose and with an answer you find acceptable. It's not impossible...but you would be so lucky for that to happen.
I had it happen once, and only as a matter of personal acknowledgement of a series of unlikely events being as such. i still face everyday in a conflict with Him, and a choice to continue life with him or without him.
Maybe you should just challenge him. Seems like you have nothing else to lose by doing so, anyways. ohwell


lucky, i guess, would be a good word for it...

nothing to lose, nothing to gain... I might go to heaven if i do the right things? i might go to heaven and have 75 virgins waiting on me if i kill a bunch of people too... if a god wanted/needed my belief, for whatever reason it would to want/need it, it would do so... there's not much i can do either way, right?

as long as your happy in your beliefs, thats all that really matters, seems that most religious people are generally happier as a whole than none believers...


Well...the right thing is subjective...
Not much you can do? Depends. Its a choice out of free will. You can either be active or passive.
And i dont see reason what 75 virgins will be doing in heaven waiting for some dude...lol...i really dont see any point to it.

prashant01's photo
Tue 09/29/15 10:40 AM






I only want to find out and understand why some people choose to believe that there is no such thing as God.



I just know that god is not a thing ( Material),but I believe strongly that it does exist.

I know the different reasons too for what different people believes that it doesn't exist....and I always prefer to leave it to their own intellect.


Do you find those reasons valid?


Still didn't.


Which is why i also wonder about the reasons.


If really so...I bet you wouldn't ever find any.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/29/15 10:47 AM







i don't see a god to replace... even taking science outa the picture, just logic is enough...


You are your own god moe.
I think even if something were to happen to point towards the existence of God, you'd choose to deny it completely. Leave it either to coincidence or dumb luck.


depends on the "something" that points towards it.. i'm open to believe, but as of yet, there is no reason to...

coincidence is just random events, and no one can deny they happen all the time, and luck is just another word for coincidence...

i do believe that everything can be explained through science, just some things not at the moment...

to me, believing in a god is like believing in magic, or other mythical beings... magic is possible, IMO, as a griffon is possible as well... with the right science, they can make both happen, so a god is not outa the question...


You would be so lucky for God to prove himself to you in the manner you choose and with an answer you find acceptable. It's not impossible...but you would be so lucky for that to happen.
I had it happen once, and only as a matter of personal acknowledgement of a series of unlikely events being as such. i still face everyday in a conflict with Him, and a choice to continue life with him or without him.
Maybe you should just challenge him. Seems like you have nothing else to lose by doing so, anyways. ohwell


lucky, i guess, would be a good word for it...

nothing to lose, nothing to gain... I might go to heaven if i do the right things? i might go to heaven and have 75 virgins waiting on me if i kill a bunch of people too... if a god wanted/needed my belief, for whatever reason it would to want/need it, it would do so... there's not much i can do either way, right?

as long as your happy in your beliefs, thats all that really matters, seems that most religious people are generally happier as a whole than none believers...


Well...the right thing is subjective...
Not much you can do? Depends. Its a choice out of free will. You can either be active or passive.
And i dont see reason what 75 virgins will be doing in heaven waiting for some dude...lol...i really dont see any point to it.


lol, thats my point, there is no point to any of it... someone says "this is what god/allah/buddha/whoever wants", i'm just supposed to say "oh, ok, i'll do whatever you want"... why would god talk with anyone else? if a god wanted me to believe, then a god needs to see me in person, not send a "representative"... so that being said, no one can convince me with words, other than a god itself...

Sileia's photo
Tue 09/29/15 11:58 AM
I do not know if I believe God. I mean there is so much crap you see on news usually it is bad. Even when I tried to look for god in my daily life. I asked myself if I was believe in God which religion swing with. I mean there is so many religion I am not even sure which one would be right if I was to a believe in God.I mean have aunt that was Catholic and cousin Jewish. It is wonder why I am so mix up when it come religion and well believing in god. I often question it. One question I had for God but never got answer. Like why was I made suffer my grandmother when when I did my best to a take care of my grandmother.Yes I did go without a lot time when it came to a my grandmother I sacrifice everything just about include my health just to a please others. And then I have my grandmother which is Baptist so you see how mix up when it religion I am not even sure what to a believe in.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/29/15 12:03 PM

I do not know if I believe God. I mean there is so much crap you see on news usually it is bad. Even when I tried to look for god in my daily life. I asked myself if I was believe in God which religion swing with. I mean there is so many religion I am not even sure which one would be right if I was to a believe in God.I mean have aunt that was Catholic and cousin Jewish. It is wonder why I am so mix up when it come religion and well believing in god. I often question it. One question I had for God but never got answer. Like why was I made suffer my grandmother when when I did my best to a take care of my grandmother.Yes I did go without a lot time when it came to a my grandmother I sacrifice everything just about include my health just to a please others. And then I have my grandmother which is Baptist so you see how mix up when it religion I am not even sure what to a believe in.


yourself is usually the best...

LUNG1954's photo
Wed 09/30/15 02:20 AM
Here are some reasons to believe that God is really there.
1. The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
The Earth...its size is perfect. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life. Water... You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
Eighty-six percent of all land-dwelling species and 91 percent in the water have yet to be discovered and cataloged by science, according to an estimate published in PLoS Biology by the Census of Marine Life scientists.
2. The universe had a start - what caused it?
Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.
Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen.
3. The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?
Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.
How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?
What "universe" means, said David Kornreich, an assistant professor at Ithaca College in New York State. He was the founder of the "Ask An Astronomer" service at Cornell University.
"I don't know [the answer] because I don't know if the universe is infinitely large or not," he said. The observable universe appears to go back in time by about 13.7 billion light-years, but beyond what we could see there could be much, much more.
"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics.
Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle.
All the stars, planets and galaxies that can be seen today make up just 4 percent of the universe. The other 96 percent is made of stuff astronomers can't see, detect or even comprehend.

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Wed 09/30/15 08:29 AM
I really don't want to offend anyone....but it's very sad to notice from almost all replies that people who are posting with full confidence (confidence that they know what actually god means)aren't at all aware of even the concept of god.

Mostly everyone is relating it with death,crimes,religion,injustice & many other irrelevant issues....hell,if god was meant to save anybodies life then why would have he created the death??

And is death really that bad?? Isn't it a chance for a fresh start??(Even if you don't believe in life after death)
Don't people give it a thought that how ugly will be the whole world if everyone who comes to life never dies!! How will the life cycle go on?

If god was supposed to punish the culprits & save the exploited people from them,then why would have he prompted such criminal thoughts in their minds??

Aren't we being too much selfish to expect god to do everything in our favor always?

If god is supposed to maintain peace and happiness everywhere why would have he created fierce cyclones,earthquakes,floods???

It will make some sense if people try to understand below points before posting.

1.God is almighty...the creator as well as the destroyer.
2.God has created the ever evolving universe....not the religions.
3.God isn't meant for keeping on saving you every time you commit mistake....he has gifted you & others the mind to apply,brain to think & body to act...how you use those will decide how your life will be....

And sorry....I'm not really anyone to describe in words what really the god is....but I feel him around me always....that's why I'm surviving...!

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Wed 09/30/15 09:06 AM

I really don't want to offend anyone....but it's very sad to notice from almost all replies that people who are posting with full confidence (confidence that they know what actually god means)aren't at all aware of even the concept of god.

Mostly everyone is relating it with death,crimes,religion,injustice & many other irrelevant issues....hell,if god was meant to save anybodies life then why would have he created the death??

And is death really that bad?? Isn't it a chance for a fresh start??(Even if you don't believe in life after death)
Don't people give it a thought that how ugly will be the whole world if everyone who comes to life never dies!! How will the life cycle go on?

If god was supposed to punish the culprits & save the exploited people from them,then why would have he prompted such criminal thoughts in their minds??

Aren't we being too much selfish to expect god to do everything in our favor always?

If god is supposed to maintain peace and happiness everywhere why would have he created fierce cyclones,earthquakes,floods???

It will make some sense if people try to understand below points before posting.

1.God is almighty...the creator as well as the destroyer.
2.God has created the ever evolving universe....not the religions.
3.God isn't meant for keeping on saving you every time you commit mistake....he has gifted you & others the mind to apply,brain to think & body to act...how you use those will decide how your life will be....

And sorry....I'm not really anyone to describe in words what really the god is....but I feel him around me always....that's why I'm surviving...!


What you have posted is nothing offensive. There is nothing to be apologetic for.
God is God.
We, people are just people.
The recognition of such, is true wisdom, just as confidence in ignorance is true bliss.

Rizun's photo
Wed 09/30/15 12:33 PM
Edited by Rizun on Wed 09/30/15 12:37 PM
I don't believe in god BECAUSE I don't feel it and it makes no logical sense to me. Religion to me has always been a part of society in some way, it's like the teddy bear I got when I was young. I can't imagine parting with it, but sooner or later I gotta grow up and give it up or pass it along, but I'll never stop loving it and I'm going to make damn sure the next owner will love it like I did. Like it's how we deal with emotionally difficult or wonderful things like death or birth. Religion has kind of become tradition.
I don't think most people care or believe what's going on when it's Christmas... or Easter... why would they.

Mostly though I think we do it out of fear, because it's so basic a feeling and therefore so powerful. Fear of the unknown.
Personally I have never felt so relieved when I figured out that there is nothing to fear.

Then again what god are we referring to
The christian god, or Odin, Allah, the Greek gods, a volcano, the sun or..

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Wed 09/30/15 01:34 PM
Edited by rug212001 on Wed 09/30/15 01:36 PM

I only want to find out and understand why some people choose to believe that there is no such thing as God.


I can only comment on my own point of view and how I got to being an atheist.

First off, I do not discount the possibility of god. However, I have not seen any reason to believe in one.

I have studied religious text most of my life and I find constrictions, immoral behavior, and many just plain absurdities from god in all that I have studied. Therefore, I cannot believe in it.

I have researched all the known historical evidence of how the religious text I have studied came into being and how the came into use. I have not found evidence for any divine intervention with this research. Therefore, I cannot believe in it.

I look at history and see all the horrible things that have been done in the name of god. I look at current events and see all the horrible things that are currently being done in the name of god. Therefore, I cannot believe in it.

I look at every "scientific proof" of god's existence and find it to be deeply flawed to the point I cannot justify calling it science.

I talk to religious people and see that most of their beliefs come from one of two things.
1 - It's how they was raised and taught from a very young age.
2 - Personal revelation.
I have also found it is mainly a combination of both. While I was raised to believe in god, it fell apart when I studied. As for the personal revelation I think Matt Dillahunty summed it up much better than I ever could.

if there is a god, that god should know exactly what it would take to change my mind...and that god should be capable of doing whatever it would take. The fact that this hasn't happened can only mean one of two things:
1. No such god exists.
2. Whatever god exists doesn't care to convince me, at this time.


Since all other evidence has fallen short, I go with option 1.

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Wed 09/30/15 07:51 PM

I don't believe in god BECAUSE I don't feel it and it makes no logical sense to me. Religion to me has always been a part of society in some way, it's like the teddy bear I got when I was young. I can't imagine parting with it, but sooner or later I gotta grow up and give it up or pass it along, but I'll never stop loving it and I'm going to make damn sure the next owner will love it like I did. Like it's how we deal with emotionally difficult or wonderful things like death or birth. Religion has kind of become tradition.
I don't think most people care or believe what's going on when it's Christmas... or Easter... why would they.

Mostly though I think we do it out of fear, because it's so basic a feeling and therefore so powerful. Fear of the unknown.
Personally I have never felt so relieved when I figured out that there is nothing to fear.

Then again what god are we referring to
The christian god, or Odin, Allah, the Greek gods, a volcano, the sun or..



You are equating religion with God?

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Wed 09/30/15 08:24 PM
Edited by Pansytilly on Wed 09/30/15 08:27 PM


I only want to find out and understand why some people choose to believe that there is no such thing as God.


I can only comment on my own point of view and how I got to being an atheist.

First off, I do not discount the possibility of god. However, I have not seen any reason to believe in one.

I have studied religious text most of my life and I find constrictions, immoral behavior, and many just plain absurdities from god in all that I have studied. Therefore, I cannot believe in it.


Absurd, how so?
Even people, governments, societies have absurdities, constrictions, immoral behavior...doesnt make any of it untrue, or unreal or unbelievable...? Doesnt even make it unacceptable, i think..


I have researched all the known historical evidence of how the religious text I have studied came into being and how the came into use. I have not found evidence for any divine intervention with this research. Therefore, I cannot believe in it.


What kind of evidence are you looking for?


I look at history and see all the horrible things that have been done in the name of god. I look at current events and see all the horrible things that are currently being done in the name of god. Therefore, I cannot believe in it.


I think God is mostly just used as a scapegoat for both ends...
If someone were to do something as evil in the name of a god they believe in, but in reality only wanted to advance themselves...How is it different from someone who does something good in the name of a god, but in reality, suffers for it?
Is the existence of God dependent on what other people do?


I look at every "scientific proof" of god's existence and find it to be deeply flawed to the point I cannot justify calling it science.

This is true if your concept of God is one that hinges solely on science.


I talk to religious people and see that most of their beliefs come from one of two things.
1 - It's how they was raised and taught from a very young age.
2 - Personal revelation.
I have also found it is mainly a combination of both. While I was raised to believe in god, it fell apart when I studied.


I agree, it is a mix of both.
Some who were raised without learning any measure of faith in God, can eventually find him after all, God-willing.


As for the personal revelation I think Matt Dillahunty summed it up much better than I ever could.

if there is a god, that god should know exactly what it would take to change my mind...and that god should be capable of doing whatever it would take. The fact that this hasn't happened can only mean one of two things:
1. No such god exists.
2. Whatever god exists doesn't care to convince me, at this time.


Since all other evidence has fallen short, I go with option 1.


His assumption actually removes personal accountability. Seems selfish and childish to be one sided and to put all the blame on God for something Matt chose on his own.
Kinda like how kids sometimes tell their parents " if i am important to you, then you should do ____ to convince me, otherwise you are just full of it and there is no reason for me to believe you anymore "
Same reasoning with some toxic relationships..." If you love me, you'd do ___ to prove it "

So no matter what he does, if you dont want to believe or acknowledge it, nothing he does will ever convince you anyways...?

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Wed 09/30/15 08:37 PM

I do not know if I believe God. I mean there is so much crap you see on news usually it is bad. Even when I tried to look for god in my daily life. I asked myself if I was believe in God which religion swing with. I mean there is so many religion I am not even sure which one would be right if I was to a believe in God.I mean have aunt that was Catholic and cousin Jewish. It is wonder why I am so mix up when it come religion and well believing in god. I often question it. One question I had for God but never got answer. Like why was I made suffer my grandmother when when I did my best to a take care of my grandmother.Yes I did go without a lot time when it came to a my grandmother I sacrifice everything just about include my health just to a please others. And then I have my grandmother which is Baptist so you see how mix up when it religion I am not even sure what to a believe in.


I used to think that if i were to join all religions...and i do mean all...that id probably get at least one right...lol...
I found that the search for and knowing God is not confined to a religion. God is not constrained to what and how we think of him as, and especially not to what someone else has to say about him.
You don't depend on someone else's opinion if you want to get to know someone, what more God?

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Wed 09/30/15 08:42 PM
Edited by Pansytilly on Wed 09/30/15 08:44 PM

God is nothing more than a cult . What kind of god would allow six million of his believers to die in the holocaust and not intervene . He could easily have reappeared . The only answer the church provides for his absence is the gift of free will .... Perhaps a major oversight on god's part .


Reappeared? Right. Like magic.


The trinity .. eternal punishment ..
life after death are illogical concepts . To believe without proof is irrational ... There is no legitimate tangible proof that god is not a figment of man's over active imagination . As for the bible .. I have seen schizophrenic patients who believe they are god and have written their own psychotic version of the bible . It is not inconceivable that in the future ... they too will have a following :-)
.


As i am sure you have your own following as well.


At the root of Religion is social control . . To believe in salvation for fear of eternal damnation is nothing more than psychological coercion .


The root of politics is social control.
The root of religion is something else, that sadly evolved and stemmed to serve politics in many cases.


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Wed 09/30/15 08:52 PM
I personally do believe in a God.

The reason I believe is because of the existence of love.

love is counter-intuitive to our very survival as a species, it makes zero sense for love to exist.


If our whole purpose is survival what would be wrong with rape? our survival and the continuation of our species should be the our goal then...so logically speaking rape would be good for our survival...

But most of us would agree rape is very bad, it's not 'right' why do we know things like this even if they are never taught to us?

In even very remote tribes their is systems that 'respect elders' why? again if our only purpose is survival it would make sense to weed out the elderly(weak), but we don't do this. Instead we form bonds between parents, children, spouses, friends, etc....what is the purpose of those?


I personally believe a God exists, because the evidence exists that we have a purpose other than survival, and personally i'm curious to figure out exactly what that purpose is.