Topic: Dangerous attitudes
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Sat 06/23/18 01:00 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sat 06/23/18 01:02 PM
I'll address the last question first. I live in a diverse neighborhood. My next-door neighbor to the east is a Caucasian female, my next-door neighbor to the west is an interracial couple with three children, directly across the street from me is an Asian couple and we all pretty much hang out with everyone. We don't have any issues "like that".

And I reserve calling him a "thug" because all I know of him is that legally, he was still a child. And since he was running away, I'll go with the assumption that he was a frightened child. I have no evidence one way or another that he committed any crime. And now that he's dead, I guess we'll never know.

I know that in Canada things are different. I've even heard stories of the prosecution being able to appeal an acquittal. In the United States, we have to things that sets us apart from the rest of the world. One is a presumption of innocence, put another way, they have to prove we did something, we don't have to prove we didn't.

The other thing is, The State doesn't get a second bite at the apple. There are protections against double jeopardy enshrined in the Constitution. So now what we have is, a cop that killed a child, that may or may not have done something illegal, (by the way, in this country, running is not illegal.) That's dead, after being shot IN THE BACK by a person that only received his license to kill four hours earlier.

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Sat 06/23/18 01:14 PM
That way of thinking is getting your people killed. The girls in the slinderman case were only 12 but charged as adults. 17 isn't a child anymore when they are running around shooting people. The police officer did the community and tax payers a favor.

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Sat 06/23/18 01:18 PM

That way of thinking is getting your people killed. The girls in the slinderman case were only 12 but charged as adults.


Pathetic isn't it? If the high school quarterback, had banged one of them, he would be a "rapist", and she would be a "child sexual abuse victim". But somewhere, there's a magic button, and when the DA pushes it, the "child" is instantly and magically transformed into an "adult".

Yes, hypocrisy abounds.


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Sat 06/23/18 01:32 PM
Edited by diserli_gears on Sat 06/23/18 01:32 PM

I'll address the last question first. I live in a diverse neighborhood. My next-door neighbor to the east is a Caucasian female, my next-door neighbor to the west is an interracial couple with three children, directly across the street from me is an Asian couple and we all pretty much hang out with everyone. We don't have any issues "like that".


So you dont live in all black neighbourhood, thank you for making my point


And I reserve calling him a "thug" because all I know of him is that legally, he was still a child. And since he was running away, I'll go with the assumption that he was a frightened child. I have no evidence one way or another that he committed any crime. And now that he's dead, I guess we'll never know.


oh now he is a child now at 17? so he isnt responsible for his actions because he is 17? got it.

why do we allow 16 years to drive a car then?



I know that in Canada things are different. I've even heard stories of the prosecution being able to appeal an acquittal. In the United States, we have to things that sets us apart from the rest of the world. One is a presumption of innocence, put another way, they have to prove we did something, we don't have to prove we didn't.


Yes the crown can, you guys call it District Attorney, the Crown can appeal an acquittal and its rarely done. Its so rare I cannot think of a single case.

The other thing is, The State doesn't get a second bite at the apple. There are protections against double jeopardy enshrined in the Constitution. So now what we have is, a cop that killed a child, that may or may not have done something illegal, (by the way, in this country, running is not illegal.) That's dead, after being shot IN THE BACK by a person that only received his license to kill four hours earlier.


and the cop was I think a cop somewhere else or involved in law enforcement somewhere else

so your point is what?

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Sat 06/23/18 01:40 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sat 06/23/18 01:45 PM


I'll address the last question first. I live in a diverse neighborhood. My next-door neighbor to the east is a Caucasian female, my next-door neighbor to the west is an interracial couple with three children, directly across the street from me is an Asian couple and we all pretty much hang out with everyone. We don't have any issues "like that".


So you dont live in all black neighbourhood, thank you for making my point


As if I would care if it was an "all black neighborhood".

I bought this house, because the price was good, the taxes were low, and the neighborhood was quiet. I didn't canvass the neighborhood, knocking on doors, to check the ethnicity of my neighbors before I bought the place.

In fact, I had no idea of my neighbors were, until it was moving day, and they came over and introduced themselves and offered to help me.

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Sat 06/23/18 02:12 PM

the 'right way' happened to favor white Europeans who had been in the states for two years already ... times have changed ... the comparison is not quite the same. ...




Ellis Island was not the cake wake that modern society portrays it. There were 4 points that all Europeans were evalated on. Not meeting all four of these points were grounds for being placed on the next boat back to Europe. All immigrants were informed of the requirements before they boarded their ship:

1. Not having proof of identity and date of birth
2. Criminal history
3. Mental illness
4. Long tern illness. All immigrants received a basic medical examination. If one was sick they were placed in an infirmary with medical treatment. Parents were separated from children and male and female family members were separated in different buildings. If still sick after 10 days they were returned to their home country.

My mothers parents came from Germany (1912) and my fathers parents came from Sweden (1900). In their words lots of Europeons were repatriated back to their country of origin.

If the above four requirements were still in place the news media would call it unfair. Again, Ellis Island was not the cake wake.

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Sat 06/23/18 02:38 PM


the 'right way' happened to favor white Europeans who had been in the states for two years already ... times have changed ... the comparison is not quite the same. ...




Ellis Island was not the cake wake that modern society portrays it. There were 4 points that all Europeans were evalated on. Not meeting all four of these points were grounds for being placed on the next boat back to Europe. All immigrants were informed of the requirements before they boarded their ship:

1. Not having proof of identity and date of birth
2. Criminal history
3. Mental illness
4. Long tern illness. All immigrants received a basic medical examination. If one was sick they were placed in an infirmary with medical treatment. Parents were separated from children and male and female family members were separated in different buildings. If still sick after 10 days they were returned to their home country.

My mothers parents came from Germany (1912) and my fathers parents came from Sweden (1900). In their words lots of Europeons were repatriated back to their country of origin.

If the above four requirements were still in place the news media would call it unfair. Again, Ellis Island was not the cake wake.


I wonder how they had 'proof' of no criminal history in the 17 or 18th century.

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Sat 06/23/18 03:32 PM



the 'right way' happened to favor white Europeans who had been in the states for two years already ... times have changed ... the comparison is not quite the same. ...




Ellis Island was not the cake wake that modern society portrays it. There were 4 points that all Europeans were evalated on. Not meeting all four of these points were grounds for being placed on the next boat back to Europe. All immigrants were informed of the requirements before they boarded their ship:

1. Not having proof of identity and date of birth
2. Criminal history
3. Mental illness
4. Long tern illness. All immigrants received a basic medical examination. If one was sick they were placed in an infirmary with medical treatment. Parents were separated from children and male and female family members were separated in different buildings. If still sick after 10 days they were returned to their home country.

My mothers parents came from Germany (1912) and my fathers parents came from Sweden (1900). In their words lots of Europeons were repatriated back to their country of origin.

If the above four requirements were still in place the news media would call it unfair. Again, Ellis Island was not the cake wake.


I wonder how they had 'proof' of no criminal history in the 17 or 18th century.


Ever read The Scarlet Letter?

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Sat 06/23/18 04:32 PM
Edited by diserli_gears on Sat 06/23/18 04:57 PM


As if I would care if it was an "all black neighborhood".

I bought this house, because the price was good, the taxes were low, and the neighborhood was quiet. I didn't canvass the neighborhood, knocking on doors, to check the ethnicity of my neighbors before I bought the place.

In fact, I had no idea of my neighbors were, until it was moving day, and they came over and introduced themselves and offered to help me.


you had no idea who were your neighbours? oh please, do you think we are that stupid, of course you checked out the neighbourhood, anyone who has ever bought a house has always checked out the neighbourhoods they are thinking of buying in.

Now you claim you live in an ethnically diverse neighbourhood without checking it out?

Don't forget to feed the unicorn organic feed vs the GMO feed crap they feed other animals okay?


Or should I have said it in ghetto slang to bring my ethnicity out brotha



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Sat 06/23/18 04:55 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sat 06/23/18 04:57 PM
Believe whatever blows your skirt up.

I did not canvass my neighborhood checking out the ethnicities of my neighbors. I did not knock on a single door. The only thing I did, was check with the Township Council to see what the property taxes on the residence would be.

That was enough for me.

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Sat 06/23/18 04:57 PM
uh huh, sure you did.


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Sat 06/23/18 04:59 PM

Less welfare here could benefit Americans. Losing weight would would improve their help. Less foodstamps being sold for liquor would improve health and probably keep a lot out of jail. Welfare queen might have a change of heart and stop having unwanted kids. Maybe even go to work.


No one in the camps, is taking a single scrap of food out of your mouth. Why don't you check out the pictures of Auschwitz?

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Sat 06/23/18 05:13 PM



As if I would care if it was an "all black neighborhood".

I bought this house, because the price was good, the taxes were low, and the neighborhood was quiet. I didn't canvass the neighborhood, knocking on doors, to check the ethnicity of my neighbors before I bought the place.

In fact, I had no idea of my neighbors were, until it was moving day, and they came over and introduced themselves and offered to help me.


you had no idea who were your neighbours? oh please, do you think we are that stupid, of course you checked out the neighbourhood, anyone who has ever bought a house has always checked out the neighbourhoods they are thinking of buying in.

Now you claim you live in an ethnically diverse neighbourhood without checking it out?

Don't forget to feed the unicorn organic feed vs the GMO feed crap they feed other animals okay?


Or should I have said it in ghetto slang to bring my ethnicity out brotha





I had this same debate on another thread, I have moved around plenty,

Whether one rents or not, they still will be someplace with their family for a while, so I dont imagine their interests will be much different in making a choice.


first is that realtors cannot disclose race or other demographic information about the neighborhood not pertinent to the sale.

second is someone would have to SPECIFICALLY research race to find it out and many people including myself NEVER have cause its not relevant.

what is checking out the neighborhood going to tell you about the diversity of your neighbors? This isnt exactly leave it to beaver where all the neighbors are out on their porches or mowing their lawns and having lemonade.

so what? do people go knock on a couple doors to see what color answers, before deciding if a neighborhood is worthy of their presence or something?

because I check the condition of the neighborhood, if there are parks and clean places for my kid, and if the price is reasonable for the square footage and condition of the home.

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Sat 06/23/18 05:14 PM

Believe whatever blows your skirt up.

I did not canvass my neighborhood checking out the ethnicities of my neighbors. I did not knock on a single door. The only thing I did, was check with the Township Council to see what the property taxes on the residence would be.

That was enough for me.


we are outliers in this crowd when it comes to race hangups ... it seems

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Sat 06/23/18 05:41 PM



I had this same debate on another thread, I have moved around plenty,

Whether one rents or not, they still will be someplace with their family for a while, so I dont imagine their interests will be much different in making a choice.


first is that realtors cannot disclose race or other demographic information about the neighborhood not pertinent to the sale.

second is someone would have to SPECIFICALLY research race to find it out and many people including myself NEVER have cause its not relevant.

what is checking out the neighborhood going to tell you about the diversity of your neighbors? This isnt exactly leave it to beaver where all the neighbors are out on their porches or mowing their lawns and having lemonade.

so what? do people go knock on a couple doors to see what color answers, before deciding if a neighborhood is worthy of their presence or something?

because I check the condition of the neighborhood, if there are parks and clean places for my kid, and if the price is reasonable for the square footage and condition of the home.


that wasn't my point or argument Miss Harmony, that viper guy going on police being racists and not giving black people a chance and I asked him where is neighbourhood his?

does he live in the inner cities or an area of ethnic diversity based on socioeconomic?

what do I mean by checking out the neighbourhood? as for how safe it is, not about the race of the area?

Race has nothing do with it, He mentioned race,I mentioned why doesn't he live in a all black neighbourhood and all know the reasons why

that was my point.

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Sat 06/23/18 05:43 PM




I had this same debate on another thread, I have moved around plenty,

Whether one rents or not, they still will be someplace with their family for a while, so I dont imagine their interests will be much different in making a choice.


first is that realtors cannot disclose race or other demographic information about the neighborhood not pertinent to the sale.

second is someone would have to SPECIFICALLY research race to find it out and many people including myself NEVER have cause its not relevant.

what is checking out the neighborhood going to tell you about the diversity of your neighbors? This isnt exactly leave it to beaver where all the neighbors are out on their porches or mowing their lawns and having lemonade.

so what? do people go knock on a couple doors to see what color answers, before deciding if a neighborhood is worthy of their presence or something?

because I check the condition of the neighborhood, if there are parks and clean places for my kid, and if the price is reasonable for the square footage and condition of the home.


that wasn't my point or argument Miss Harmony, that viper guy going on police being racists and not giving black people a chance and I asked him where is neighbourhood his?

does he live in the inner cities or an area of ethnic diversity based on socioeconomic?

what do I mean by checking out the neighbourhood? as for how safe it is, not about the race of the area?

Race has nothing do with it, He mentioned race,I mentioned why doesn't he live in a all black neighbourhood and all know the reasons why

that was my point.


what is the point, I also dont live in an ALL WHITE neighborhood ,,, who cares?


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Sat 06/23/18 05:47 PM


Believe whatever blows your skirt up.

I did not canvass my neighborhood checking out the ethnicities of my neighbors. I did not knock on a single door. The only thing I did, was check with the Township Council to see what the property taxes on the residence would be.

That was enough for me.


we are outliers in this crowd when it comes to race hangups ... it seems


THIS is what sparked it.. Who mentioned "race" first?



My OP is about a black teen (child) shot in the back by a cop, And you immediately declared him a "thug" and said you were backing the cop.

I find myself wondering if your pic is real, because you sure don't sound like a black person.
oh please youre such actually never mind, dont want the mods to delete the thread, focusing on my pics is just proof that you have no cogent point.

back to the point.

If a teen or a person is involved in a shooting of another person ( do I need to explain the concept of shooting someone)they are not law abiding citizens.

A thug is a criminal especially those involved in shootings? can you tell me why a 17 year old teen has a gun and using it to shoot others?


Because Im Black I should side with all black people and Democrats?

You're as bad as Hillary Clinton that said all women should have voted for her because she is a woman.

I dont support any criminal of any race , is that clear enough for you.

By the way that is a racist comment, about not sound like a black person

how are black people suppose to act like?

am I suppose to use urban slang and instead of saying "ask" I should use "Axe" instead?

By the way I know youre black and do you live in a black neighbourhood or a white neighbourhood.

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Sat 06/23/18 05:54 PM
my point is he doesn't live in area where its mostly black and other poorer minorities live because he can afford to live elsewhere and feel "safer" from the gangs.


For those who live in section 8 housing that its a challenge living safely day to day, I actually feel bad for most of them because they are good people on the wrong side of the economic track.

So to sit here and say oh those poor teens that was shot he must have been a good boy or the wrong place at the wrong time blah blah blah, is B.S.

Life in those hoods is rough, everyone knows that including law enforcement why that kid started running is anyone guess but he must have been guilty of something and before you say...

the coward cop shot an unarmed kid , dont bother.

You will never convince me that the kid was innocent as he was involved in another shooting , I dont care if he had a weapon on him or not, nobody could have known that he didn't have gun on him or it was in his car in those split seconds





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Sat 06/23/18 05:56 PM



Believe whatever blows your skirt up.

I did not canvass my neighborhood checking out the ethnicities of my neighbors. I did not knock on a single door. The only thing I did, was check with the Township Council to see what the property taxes on the residence would be.

That was enough for me.


we are outliers in this crowd when it comes to race hangups ... it seems


THIS is what sparked it.. Who mentioned "race" first?



My OP is about a black teen (child) shot in the back by a cop, And you immediately declared him a "thug" and said you were backing the cop.

I find myself wondering if your pic is real, because you sure don't sound like a black person.
oh please youre such actually never mind, dont want the mods to delete the thread, focusing on my pics is just proof that you have no cogent point.

back to the point.

If a teen or a person is involved in a shooting of another person ( do I need to explain the concept of shooting someone)they are not law abiding citizens.

A thug is a criminal especially those involved in shootings? can you tell me why a 17 year old teen has a gun and using it to shoot others?


Because Im Black I should side with all black people and Democrats?

You're as bad as Hillary Clinton that said all women should have voted for her because she is a woman.

I dont support any criminal of any race , is that clear enough for you.

By the way that is a racist comment, about not sound like a black person

how are black people suppose to act like?

am I suppose to use urban slang and instead of saying "ask" I should use "Axe" instead?

By the way I know youre black and do you live in a black neighbourhood or a white neighbourhood.



so tell me who mentioned Race first Viper, I didn't.

since you posted what I actually said.





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Sat 06/23/18 06:02 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sat 06/23/18 06:05 PM
When I went house shopping, I never once thought to myself "where are the black neighborhoods?" Or "where are the white neighborhoods?"

The ONLY thing I considered was: "how central is this location to my service calls?" And what am I looking at and mortgage payments? And what will the property taxes be on this property? And how big is the backyard, and where can I make space in the garage for my dog to have her puppies?.

It could have been an all-black neighborhood, it could have been an all-white neighborhood, it could have been exactly what I have now, a multicultural neighborhood. I didn't know, and I didn't care. I got a good price for my home, I just got my first tax bill, and I'm extremely happy with it. In my backyard is so large, I made ditch my push mower, and purchase a riding mower.

The race and or ethnicity of my neighbors doesn't mean two farts in a hurricane to me. They're good people. And if I were an all-black neighborhood, I'm sure they would be good people too.