This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own.

No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it?

I know what you are talking about.

If a woman is going to say "No" to engaging in sex, then she needs to say it before any sex takes places.

If she says "Yes" at the beginning, voluntarily participates in sex until she obtains pleasure for herself, and then says "No" before her partner obtains pleasure, then the woman is playing a game.

Two adults need to express what their limits are before anything happens. Back when my late wife and I were just dating, she and I agreed that we would not have sexual intercourse until after we were married, and we kept that agreement. To us, "No" to premarital sexual intercourse meant "No".

Well, I can see the point of not leading someone on to a major degree and then them saying no...BUT. and a big one at that...ha.
Who is going to want to force themselves on someone that has made it clear in some way, (saying no, pulling away, getting up or whatever) and get satisfaction from that?

That sounds pretty hard up to me. No thanks. There also could be a good reason, physically, mentally or otherwise that they need to stop...

Pushing yourself on a woman, when it is unwanted is way beyond stupid.

PS. This is not directed at Dodo, this idea came from the other thread..

SO Yes, No means No.

Well, I can see the point of not leading someone on to a major degree and then them saying no...BUT. and a big one at that...ha.
Who is going to want to force themselves on someone that has made it clear in some way, (saying no, pulling away, getting up or whatever) and get satisfaction from that?

That sounds pretty hard up to me. No thanks. There also could be a good reason, physically, mentally or otherwise that they need to stop...

Pushing yourself on a woman, when it is unwanted is way beyond stupid.

PS. This is not directed at Dodo, this idea came from the other thread..

SO Yes, No means No.

That's why I said that people need to set limits before anything happens.

That's why I said that people need to set limits before anything happens.

nice idea, true. but not completely realistic....unless of course you have not ever had a real burning desire for someone but just knew it was better to wait...that can and does happen PEOPLE - men and women both, have the right to change their minds at any point -irrespective of what was previously agreed upon or not

they also have the right to change their minds and go thru with it if it feels right

whatever happens it needs to be 100% consensual 100% of the time

your take on this is a little creepy dave

What is creepy about setting limits ahead of time?

As I mention in my previous post, plenty of women here have already said no to sexual intercourse before marriage. Are they being creepy?

My late wife and I kissed with passion before we married, but she and I kept our limit of no intercourse before we got married.

That's right. It is still possible for people to wait until marriage before having sexual intercourse, and there is nothing creepy about it. The fact that one person has difficulty controlling sexual impulses doesn't mean that everyone has that difficulty.

out of respect for your being a forum member I will respond to the point of saying that if you re read the many comments on here you will find the answers to the questions you have posed as I am not going to fall for your classic move of quoting people out of context, nor will I take the bait and explain any further. If you are genuinely interested in answers there are already in print above. (gotcha) end/

we communicate in two ways

verbal language and body language

so,, no, a verbal no isnt always a no, it depends upon the body language

just like an ok isnt always an ok, if the body language signals discomfort or tension

body language trumps verbal language,,,in the heat of the moment


semantically, of course, no means no

in real life,, its much more complex,,,

In most respects yes SAVE ONE, (ACTUALLY TWO) Case one, NEVER TEASE A STARVING DOG WITH MEAT! PERIOD. If you dangle a slab of meat in front of a starving dog you will get bitten.

Case two, women who play the no game...

"No baby, No baby, baby why are you stopping?"

Please tell me women don't do that... Not all women do but some do...

Really the only sounds I want to hear are those of a woman having the time of her life under, above, beside, and bent over the couch in front of me... 'NO' is the last thing I want to hear!

So how do you justify an idiot who straps T-Bone steaks on their naked bodies to go streaking in front of hungry lions?

Have you never been to a strip club? How would this thinking work there...How would you slow the bus down in that environment man.

You may find that T-bone on your eye or worse, if the bouncers feel like justifying the situation.