IF god does anything in the natural world, then the natural laws apply to him too.

God has to be an extremely complex thing, (to use Dawkins' words) a god would be the ultimate 747.
Science has done a nice job of showing that simplicity gives raise to complexity. (Through evolution).
By using the logic we get from Science (or just re-working the creationist argument)
For God to be as complex as he is, there HAD to be something before god. Either for him to evolve from, or for him to be created from.

Personally, we have natural explanations for everything we understand, I don't see a need to invoke the supernatural for things we don't fully understand yet.

Tell yourself that all you want, it still fails the logic test.

That is special pleading. Whether you like it or not, whatever you say about the universe also applies to your god. If everything has to have a creator then so does your god, if your god has always been, then it is also possible for the universe to have always been.

Don't look at me, Windows 7 wasn't my idea.

Gotta top the 4-for-4 somehow..

Holland tops Uraguay, Germany tops Spain

Germany takes the Cup on PK's.

Ok, how many different times has it been "found" now?

Funny how all that science that does work with the age of the earth, and the age of fossils is suddenly good enough when they need it in an attempt to prove one of their fables.

4 for 4.



What has Inkracer learned? Shoulda put money on the games..

Sorry, I got the score wrong, 3-NIL, Germany..

Germany 2-NIL..

Looks like it..

Germany scores quickly.

Let's not leave out, the joy a vast number of the religious seem to take in the misfortune of others.. Like joyfully thinking about Carlin burning in hell, or going on a tirade about how Katrina was God's punishment for Ellen D. living in/around the Nawlins area..
Yet they claim to be loving. I don't see the point in being joyful over someone else's misfortune simply because they don't believe the exact same thing that you believe.
With Hitch having Cancer, chances are these people are going to be spewing their poison sooner rather than later.

2 for 2.

Got one right.

I think that Bill Maher said it best in Religulous:

"You don't know, and how do I know that you don't know? Because I don't know, and you don't possess any mental powers that I do not."

We will have to disagree there. The main reason that religion as started to fall is Science. At this point, I don't see it happening that Science starts to agree with religion.

One of the other message boards I frequent (a racing one) had to lock a thread on the passing of George Carlin, because of the religious bigotry..
Stupid **** like "Well, he knows he was wrong now, hope he has fun burning in hell"
The thing that pisses me off the most about those people is their undeserved certainty. I don't know what happens when we die, but I'm not going to speculate and preach that speculation as truth either.

Hitch is in for one hell of a fight. Cancer is an ugly disease, I've watched it destroy a grandfather, a family pet, and recently have had to help a friend get through losing her father to cancer.

My point being that "Science backs Atheism" is just as absurd as "Science back Christianity" or "Science backs theism" (My fault for not choosing the correct words the first time)

They are, and should be, different arenas.

That being said, I will trust a scientists words on Quantum Physics long before I will trust a preacher.

I would say that Science does not support anything in theism, whether theist or atheist. Science deals in the real word, Theism deals with belief.

The point being, there are billions of planets in that area of "just right". Right now, we only know of 1 planet with life on it. (I personally find it absurd to think that we are the only planet in the "life zone" with life on it.)
I think the best analogy I can use is this: The "miracle of life" is looked at like a lottery, have to match each number correctly to win, but there are so many planets out there, that it is more like you don't have to be exact, you can be within 10-20 of that number to win.. At that point it is not a miracle.