i dont know what dirty, leaking penises youve been touching, but i make liberal use of condoms and mutual masturbation.

and knowing that sex is an important part of a healthy relationship isnt the same as using someone for sex. having sex with your girlfriend is something that well-rounded, mentally healthy guys do. if she were using the no-sex thing to weed out "undesireables", then its a stupid system because theres alot of really good guys who dont have dumbass head-issues about sex that she would be weeding out.

its not like shes maintaining her virginity here (thats a whole other bunk concept). shes just withholding sex for the sake of withholding sex. its not making anything more pure. its not making anything more "right" or good or nice. its just a self defeating habit that shes blaming men for.

theres nothing here to be respected.

you took it out of context. i choose to not have sex because i want to be pure for my marriage. the second point is that a good man would wait.
you jump to conclusions without reading everything properly.

What do you think marriage is? It is a contract. Sometimes it is like a purchase. It is an agreement that has obligations on both sides. It is traditional. It is an arrangement. But most of all, it is a partnership.

People will be more choosy about a business partnership than they will a marriage because they think that marriage is all about love and nothing else. No its not. It is about a partnership, raising children, living together, doing business together etc.

Sex is part of the package. If it is going to be a very important part of the package so that it might make or break the partnership, I would suggest you take it for a test drive before you tie the knot.

Decide if you both want children and if you are both able to conceive them. If there is problem in this area, this would not be a good thing to find out after the marriage.

If sex is not an important make or break part of the partnership, then it does not matter. This is supposedly for the rest of your life. These things need to be AT LEAST discussed in detail before marriage.

JB

youre not making anything more pure.

and only a dumb and emasculated man would wait a year or more to have sex with someone only to marry her.

if anything youre ensuring that youre going to have crappy novice sex on your honeymoon.

the point here is that youre the one with the issues and not the men.

Marriage is a cake. Sex is the icing. If you aren't willing to eat the cake, why should you get to eat the icing?

Davo~ I've been reading here and can't help but say you are being rude, insulting, and attacking.

If I were the OP, I'd report you.

some only want the icing :(

thanks, but just because i don't like what he says doesn't mean i am going to report him.

;_;

awww you no likee the words the stranger is typing? so sowwy.

now theres something i can respect.

It's not what he says, it is how he says it. But honestly, if you think how he is talking to you/responding to you, is within the parameters of the rules, have at it. I'm totally out. Not even going to read.

Man..... these religious thread suck. Why do I do this to myself?

thanks...
about the having crapy sex thing... every partner is going to be different anyways and it would take time to get to know each other. my view is that if you truely love someone, it doesn't matter how long you have had sex before. besides you don't know what i am capable of.

Marriage is the trap. Withholding sex is the bait.

It's not hard to have sex. If you don't want a girlfriend, then you can get a crack addict to perform sex acts for $5.00 or less. If you want a girlfriend, you can persue one who willing to have sex outside of marriage. If you want a wife, you can persue a woman who insists on waiting.

You were married, did you husband trick you into marriage by withholding sex?

Man..... these religious thread suck. Why do I do this to myself?


Maybe its a masochistic need you feel that needs filled. Isn't marriage the ultimate form of masochism?

Withholding sex actually used to be the bait. This day and age it is rarely done. There are so many women willing to give it to anyone or sell it a man should never be lacking opportunities for sex.

What a man should be looking for is someone he likes as a person, and someone who likes the same things, or someone who wants to be married, is nurturing, honest and likes to cook.
If he finds this person and if he is looking for a permanent marriage relationship, he will wait if she does not want to have sex before marriage.

But if the sex thing is really important, and they have worked other things out, and are planning to get married (engaged) I see nothing wrong with giving it a go before the contract is signed. If it is a total disaster one of them might want to reconsider the marriage. Better before marriage than after.

If you are looking for marriage, you have to look at the whole package. This does not mean I think you should bed every guy you date to "try him out."

When courting for marriage, if a decision has not been made in six months, it probably is not going to happen. This is for younger people. Older people take their time with these decisions.

Just my thoughts.

Jeannie

The sex thing is always important - essential even
that the partners are on the same wavelength on this...



now, as to the question of how many dates - or how well
do you need to know someone first. well there is no
single right answer to that question. when it is enough
it is enough.



now back to religion. religious or spiritual compatibility
as well as financial attitudes, intellectual parity, desire
for children...and well i've seen some LONG lists floating
around...



marriage is a contract. sex is copulation.
neither is required for a trusting, loving relationship.

making love, like happiness is art.
both are required for a trusting loving relationship.

well said

Davo may be politically incorrect and abrasive in his delivery, however his point is just and I think thats the nerve he is touching. Good Job Davo touch the nerves.

Touching is ok before marriage right? lol