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Edited by
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Unhealthy food is cheaper than healthy food. There's even research on it. Thats a bit ambigious...lets deal with specifics. Home-made beans and rice is cheaper per unit calorie, per unit protein, and for most nutrients, per unit (insert nutrient) than most items found on most fast food restaurant menus. Edit: Well, that might NOT be true for the 'per unit calorie' part for obvious non-foods. But clearly we aren't lacking for calories, even (or especially) when we eat cheap, non-nutritious 'foods'. |
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Unhealthy food is cheaper than healthy food. There's even research on it. Thats a bit ambigious...lets deal with specifics. Home-made beans and rice is cheaper per unit calorie, per unit protein, and for most nutrients, per unit (insert nutrient) than most items found on most fast food restaurant menus. Edit: Well, that might NOT be true for the 'per unit calorie' part for obvious non-foods. But clearly we aren't lacking for calories, even (or especially) when we eat cheap, non-nutritious 'foods'. I'll have to agree with the "Unhealthy food ... is cheaper .." comment. The US, in particular, produces mass quantities of refined products such as high fructose corn sugar, that provides very cheap valueless calories. Most of the wheat we consume has the germ removed for stability. The typical grocery store is a wasteland of high priced, over processed junk, that we shouldn't be eating anyway. What food group are "Cheetoes". Of the three to four dollars a box for Wheaties, about ten cents goes to the farmer. Statistics show that poor Americans eat way too many calories and get way too little nutrition in the process. |
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Edited by
massagetrade
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Thu 05/06/10 05:30 PM
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Unhealthy food is cheaper than healthy food. There's even research on it. Thats a bit ambigious...lets deal with specifics. Home-made beans and rice is cheaper per unit calorie, per unit protein, and for most nutrients, per unit (insert nutrient) than most items found on most fast food restaurant menus. Edit: Well, that might NOT be true for the 'per unit calorie' part for obvious non-foods. But clearly we aren't lacking for calories, even (or especially) when we eat cheap, non-nutritious 'foods'. I'll have to agree with the "Unhealthy food ... is cheaper .." comment. The US, in particular, produces mass quantities of refined products such as high fructose corn sugar, that provides very cheap valueless calories. Most of the wheat we consume has the germ removed for stability. The typical grocery store is a wasteland of high priced, over processed junk, that we shouldn't be eating anyway. What food group are "Cheetoes". Of the three to four dollars a box for Wheaties, about ten cents goes to the farmer. Statistics show that poor Americans eat way too many calories and get way too little nutrition in the process. Yes, yes, yes, and yes. And that is why unhealthy food is not cheaper. First off, a serving of beans and lentils costs less than 50c. I see small bags of cheetos for $1...and you will be hungry again before long. Unhealthy foods aggravate our food addictions, causing us to buy more. The seem cheaper on a per serving basis, but they cause us to spend more money on our food, and get less out of it. If you are comparing similar food types (the crappy frozen burrito to the healthy frozen burrito), then yes, healthy pre-made food is a lot more expensive than unhealthy pre-made food - but that assumes the buyer is too freakin lazy to make their own food. This is a total cop-out line of thinking. A loaf of wonder bread is far cheaper than a loaf of quality whole grain breads, but neither can compare to the cost of flour for home-made bread. Its even wrong to say that refined flour is cheaper than whole whear flour - sure, per unit pound, but not per unit nutrient, nor per degree of satiatedness. There is no doubt that poor people are getting shafted by the food industry; I get furious over the marketing ******** I see all the time. Some adults cannot do simply math, how the hell are they supposed to protect themselves from marketing BS in this situation. This doesn't change the fact that $200 is more than enough for a single healthy, non-athlete, non-pregnant adult with access to a kitchen and a normal grocery store to eat a healthy diet for a month. To me, all of this points to the need to educate and empower people. I would be happy to see people on food stamps and other programs given access to free education on nutrition, food preparation, budgeting, and other topics. I would be happy to see more money being spent on food stamps, and fewer items being on the 'allowed' list. |
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In light of this conversation, I've taken notice of and reflected on my recent expenditures. Recently, a friend of my made dinner for me and about fifteen other people. He bargain shopped for the ingredients, and spent $10 of his own money and less than $3 of another's oil & spices.
About a week later, I made dinner for about 8 people - every one ate huge servings, and the ingredients cost less than $10. Yesterday I made myself three huge sandwiches of tomato, onion and cucumber, for about a dollar. Subway would have charged something like $10 for that meal. I could do this because I had ridden my bike a bit farther to the grocery store that sold all three ingredients for less than $1/lb. If a different set of foods had been on sale, I would have had a different kind of sandwich...but not my food-stamp friends. They eat what they want to eat, and when they want to eat it, and then complain that they can't order out pizza on their food stamps. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Thu 05/06/10 06:58 PM
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"three huge sandwiches of tomato, onion and cucumber, for about a dollar."
I see a lot of carbohydrates in three sandwiches but where's the protein? Protein and a carb equal energy. Every one of my meals includes a protein, a carb, fruit, veggie, and dairy product. Snacks consist of a protein, carb, fruit or veggie. I'm a person that will make the homemade burrito instead of eating the processed one. It does cost more. I make homemade pizza once in awhile. I looked at the frozen fruits at a cheap grocery store here today. It cost $2.50 for a bag of it. A can of fruit is much cheaper. I prefer fresh fruit that is in season myself. It does cost more than $200 a month. |
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I eat so many pinto beans, the ATF came and investigated to see if I was making chemical weapons.
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I told 'em,"Take one more step and I'll let one fly!!" They had a hazmat team with them. 
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I see you have bought into the ignorant bantor of the racists and hatemongers of this country. First off, to get foodstamps you have be low income, second they cannot own expensive cars and get foodstamps, etc.. Ya know what makes your arguments so utterly pathetic?? The fact that you COMPLETELY buy into them. There is no logical thinking on your part at all. How many illegals do you think actually collect a damn PAYCHECK as opposed to how many work for cash?? OF COURSE they are " low incomce " when they don't have to SHOW what they actually make. Christ. Get a CLUE. Christ you get a clue. Illegals can't get foodstamps so we weren't even discussing that. Suuuuurrrrreeee they can't. A fake ID ( easily bought off the street for a few hundred dollars IF THAT MUCH ) and a fake SS Card ( ALSO available on the street ) is easy to obtain. Show ID ( fake ) and SS card ( fake ) and voila!!! Foodstamps and government benefits...all while working for cash money that doesn't get reported to the Social Services. Again...get a clue. You do realize that I worked for the welfare office and handed out foodstamps, right? I know how many had fake IDs and they were far and few between. We verified all ID provided. It was our job. Illegals were and are not eligible for benefits from the welfare office. People really need to stop listening to the garbage they hear. You can look up the eligibility for foodstamps and it tells you this. Frauders are not that common. The garbage brokers would have you believe they are but they are not. Frauders are not that common?? Seriously?? There's a meatmarket at the end of the stripmall where my shop is located. At the beginning of every single month, people re-sell meat in the parkinglot at 25 cents on the dollar. Meat they just bought w/ their foodstamps at the meatmarket. If those people really needed that food, would they be reselling it in the parkinglot??? I would say fraud is rampant. How many times have you called the authorities about this parking lot black market? Have you taken note of, and passed on, all pertinant information about these people you say are working the system? Have you contacted the local television station or someone at the state level - you know, someone in the state senate maybe???? That is your money, your tax dollars at work, don't you think you have a responsibility to change what you've seen happening - at least report it and maybe follow up on it? I don't think most of us would turn people away who come to this country looking for better opportunity. What I think most of the fear and anger stems from is our inability to control the socialism that our federal government has enforced. Because some states were poor and unable to provide for their own populations, the federal government decided that the system of taxation and redistribution had to be at the highest level. NOw we have nutritional assistance, welfare, healthcare, social security and all the medical benefits that go with it and huge entitlements for the most unnecessary things. So our taxes are now upwards of 30 to 50% of our income, so that all these subsidies can be paid - is it any wonder that Americans feel threatened by new comers - ready to pull from the pot, the funding we begrudged to others in the first place???? I seriously doubt that there is even a fraction of the fraud going on that people claim there is. I think people just need a reason to complain that the funds they never wanted to 'donate' in the first place are being used so inappropriately - when the most inappropriate thing is how those funds were so easily garnered from the population in the first place. If you think there is so much fraud going on - get involved and quit 'supposing' - after all if you think someone has their hand in your pocket - shouldn't ou do something more constructive about it than gripe??? I have discovered that most of the time the story is exaggerated for the effect and is usually an "assumed" crime. Same with many the reports we would get at the welfare office of fraud. The majority of them were people who had no clue about how the welfare works or the fact that people get almost nothing as benefits. The other part of the erroneous ones were personal disputes where neighbors were mad at each other and sent the welfare investigators to a false report. It is a lot of gossip, hateful gossip at that. |
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In light of this conversation, I've taken notice of and reflected on my recent expenditures. Recently, a friend of my made dinner for me and about fifteen other people. He bargain shopped for the ingredients, and spent $10 of his own money and less than $3 of another's oil & spices. About a week later, I made dinner for about 8 people - every one ate huge servings, and the ingredients cost less than $10. Yesterday I made myself three huge sandwiches of tomato, onion and cucumber, for about a dollar. Subway would have charged something like $10 for that meal. I could do this because I had ridden my bike a bit farther to the grocery store that sold all three ingredients for less than $1/lb. If a different set of foods had been on sale, I would have had a different kind of sandwich...but not my food-stamp friends. They eat what they want to eat, and when they want to eat it, and then complain that they can't order out pizza on their food stamps. I need to move to where you live if you can feed that many people on $10.00. Of course, if you are feeding people tomato onion and cucumber sandwiches then I know why.... people left there and went out to eat so they could get some food. That doesn't count you know. I love fresh veges and fruit. I cannot afford to eat them everyday. I do try to eat healthy but I cannot afford that all the time either. So I eat poor people food and it is not so good for you. |
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Hussein done said he don't want no fat-azzes in America. He'll make an exception for the Illegal Invader. Him and his anti-america crew want the hispanics to believe they got their backs. ROFLMBFAO!!
Them and the other anti-americans are the only ones who will vote back in him and the anti-americans in the house and senate. Hussein would make a lot more friends if he'd have Immigration laws enforced. They will do everything in their power to see NAU happen. Just like Bush. |
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I see a lot of carbohydrates in three sandwiches but where's the protein? In the lentils and rice. Protein and a carb equal energy. We don't need protein for energy, we need to eat protein for the amino acid building blocks to build our own proteins in our body. For energy (actually physics energy, not 'the feeling of energy'), carbs are all you need. There is no need to get protein in every meal; I've gone many years of my life getting significant amounts of protein in at most one meal a day. Throughout this time I did large amounts of physical labor (at work) and had much more stamina than most people. Every one of my meals includes a protein, a carb, fruit, veggie, and dairy product. Some people might question whether you are getting the most out of your food, by combining all of this in one meal. Honestly, I'm thinking that having dairy at every meal may be a waste. Some forms of dairy are very cost-effective, other forms are horribly cost-ineffective. Either way, i think there is a diminishing return issue here, and you may be wasting your money by eating so much dairy. This is harder to do with lentils and rice, because the fiber/protein ratio in these foods helps a bit to natural regulate our consumption. Its very easy to over-consume dairy. I looked at the frozen fruits at a cheap grocery store here today. It cost $2.50 for a bag of it. A can of fruit is much cheaper. I prefer fresh fruit that is in season myself. Yes, the normal retail price for most non-generic brands are up over $3/lb, and sometimes much higher. Which is why I buy generic frozen fruit (blueberry, strawberry, raspberry) at the dollar store - $1 for 12 oz is $1.33/lb. I believe they have better nutrition than canned fruit, being frozen fresh, not pasteurized, and kept frozen (slows down nutritional degradation) until consumed. |
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I need to move to where you live if you can feed that many people on $10.00. Of course, if you are feeding people tomato onion and cucumber sandwiches then I know why.... people left there and went out to eat so they could get some food. That doesn't count you know. If memory serves, it was: quinoa, rice, lentils, eggplant, zucchini, onions. Might have been a few other things. Fortunately, yes, my circle of friends do not suffer from all of the food addictions which plague most people. Many people, having stuffed themselves full of 'cheap' and unhealthy food over long periods of time, have confused their bodies natural ability to sense when they have eaten enough healthy food. |
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I need to move to where you live if you can feed that many people on $10.00. I don't think food is that much cheaper here. I've lived all over the country, on both coasts, and the only place food seemed to be significantly more expensive was montana. Years ago I was able to eat well on less than $100 a month. I think the difference is careful, intentional shopping - with an eye towards optimization. |
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I need to move to where you live if you can feed that many people on $10.00. I don't think food is that much cheaper here. I've lived all over the country, on both coasts, and the only place food seemed to be significantly more expensive was montana. Years ago I was able to eat well on less than $100 a month. I think the difference is careful, intentional shopping - with an eye towards optimization. To a large degree the difference in price is packaging. I cook for large groups (as well as for myself) and large containers equal huge savings. A twenty five pound sack of quality flour costs about six bucks. I sent a fifty pound sack of pinto beans home to my niece and nephew because they claimed to be starving at college. They ate frozen pizza and Ramen every day because it was "cheap". I added a crock pot and cookbook to their goodies at Christmas. |
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Last I checked, we do speak English here. Well some speak hillbilly, but for the most part it's English.
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Last I checked, we do speak English here. Well some speak hillbilly, but for the most part it's English. I speak fluent Redneck!  Seriously, in public, in private, in private business, I see absolutely nothing wrong with folks speaking whatever language they wish. One exception, text-speak should be outlawed. Language in Government is totally something else. I believe, we taxpayers shouldn't have to pick up the tab for translations. If the folks can't communicate in English, there are many private citizens who could translate, at a price, for them. |
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