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Topic: "This is Alabama; we speak English here" - WTF!
Lpdon's photo
Wed 04/28/10 11:30 PM





http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100428/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1831

Amid a national debate over Arizona's tough new immigration law, Republican Alabama gubernatorial candidate Tim James (and son of previous Gov. Fob James) vows in a new campaign ad that if he's elected, he'll give the state driver's license exam only in English, as a cost-saving measure.

"This is Alabama; we speak English," he says in the ad. "If you want to live here, learn it."

Full Article on Link Above


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This is WRONG on so many levels, IMO.


Shows ignorancy in Alabama.


"Claps" Way to go. Way to go! Call all of Alabama ignorant. I'm soooooo impressed.whoa


Shows ignorancy in Alabama, did not say all of Alabama.

It shows that there is ignorancy in Alabama says some are ignorant. Especially if they believe that.


Ignorancy?whoa



EquusDancer's photo
Thu 04/29/10 12:11 AM

Bush was working that way and if we ain't careful, Hussein will make sure we are forced to learn Spanish.

In 2008, Hussein addressed the issue of official languages by endorsing one: Spanish. Instead of worrying about immigrants learning English, he told an audience, America should be teaching its children Spanish.

To say that is discriminatory. It discriminates against the other 300+ languages spoken here.

Perhaps we should be forced to learn and be fluent in all of them.


And of course, it brings up the point of which version of Spanish are we learning? The Mexican Spanish is NOT the same thing. I wasted 2 years in high school with that crap, and remember more from Sesame Street as a youngster. Our school has French and Spanish, but did away with German a year before I had to take the required class. I'd have taken German over the other two.

I do think the US is behind in knowing multiple languages and our ego on that is hurting us. I know my mom has mentioned that as a regret that we didn't get other languages tossedin as youngsters. But my interest in languages isn't the common ones. I'd love to learn Manx and/or Scottish Gaelic and pick Latin up.

EquusDancer's photo
Thu 04/29/10 12:12 AM


English is taught to the children of this nation all through school, not spanish, not french, not any asian, arabic, or latin, but English. If English is not the language of the US, then why is taught all through school k-12 and other languages only taught in 8-12 and as second languages?


That's not entirely accurate.

My daughter was forced to learn Spanish....right up until I went to the school and asked if the Spanish only speaking students were being forced to learn Emglish.

I was told that, the Spanish only students weren't required to learn English because it was not the predominate language used in their homes.

I simply told them that I don't speak Spanish in MY home, so why should my daughter be forced to learn it.

Once they got the idea ( the cirriculum got fixed ) my daughter continued to learn Spanish while the Spanish only students were taught English.

I have no problem with them wanting more people to be bilingual. As long as the standards are the same for all of the students.


My folks did that with my brother, and got him pulled out of the languages. He went for art, which was what he wanted to begin with.

Seakolony's photo
Thu 04/29/10 05:22 AM


English is taught to the children of this nation all through school, not spanish, not french, not any asian, arabic, or latin, but English. If English is not the language of the US, then why is taught all through school k-12 and other languages only taught in 8-12 and as second languages?


That's not entirely accurate.

My daughter was forced to learn Spanish....right up until I went to the school and asked if the Spanish only speaking students were being forced to learn Emglish.

I was told that, the Spanish only students weren't required to learn English because it was not the predominate language used in their homes.

I simply told them that I don't speak Spanish in MY home, so why should my daughter be forced to learn it.

Once they got the idea ( the cirriculum got fixed ) my daughter continued to learn Spanish while the Spanish only students were taught English.

I have no problem with them wanting more people to be bilingual. As long as the standards are the same for all of the students.

Well it is accurate here, and they do teach ESL classes here for the hispanic populations. Only private schools and concorciums, teach other languages.

no photo
Thu 04/29/10 05:35 AM


English is taught to the children of this nation all through school, not spanish, not french, not any asian, arabic, or latin, but English. If English is not the language of the US, then why is taught all through school k-12 and other languages only taught in 8-12 and as second languages?


That's not entirely accurate.

My daughter was forced to learn Spanish....right up until I went to the school and asked if the Spanish only speaking students were being forced to learn Emglish.

I was told that, the Spanish only students weren't required to learn English because it was not the predominate language used in their homes.

I simply told them that I don't speak Spanish in MY home, so why should my daughter be forced to learn it.

Once they got the idea ( the cirriculum got fixed ) my daughter continued to learn Spanish while the Spanish only students were taught English.

I have no problem with them wanting more people to be bilingual. As long as the standards are the same for all of the students.


Learning a different language was a requirement in both the high school and college I attended. You could choose which language, but you had to take foreign language classes. I never thought that was a bad thing.

tanyaann's photo
Thu 04/29/10 05:39 AM

correct me if I am wrong, but to become a citizen, you have to Be able to read, write, and speak English and have knowledge and an understanding of U.S. history and government (civics)."

(the above quoted from the USCIS) with these exceptions to that:
You Are Exempt From The English Language Requirement, But Are Still Required To Take The Civics Test If You Are:

Age 50 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident (green card holder) in the United States for 20 years (commonly referred to as the “50/20” exception).
OR
Age 55 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident in the United States for 15 years (commonly referred to as the “55/15” exception).
Note: Even if you qualify for the “50/20” or “55/15” English language exceptions listed above, you must still take the civics test. You may be permitted to take the civics test in your native language, but only if your command of spoken English is insufficient to conduct a valid examination in English. If you are age 65 or older and have been a permanent resident for at least 20 years at the time of filing for naturalization, you will be given special consideration regarding the civics requirement.




So why should it be different for anything else? I went to the DMV last week with my niece and it would be nearly impossible to have a translator for all of the different languages that I heard there alone.


You are required to live and work within the US for a period of time before you can be natualize.

Ultimately, english-only driver's test is racist and discrimination and a right-wing attempt at making things harder on all immigrants.

tanyaann's photo
Thu 04/29/10 05:42 AM




OMG! Are you saying you don't have an OPINION?laugh


Are you asking me why I think it's not an "official" language, Joe?

I think it's unofficially the "official" language laugh but maybe they don't want to label it as the official language because America is made up of many nationalities. Kind of strange when to be a citizen you have to know English.ohwell


English has been the unofficial Official language of the US forever. Not having it as an official language is causing illegals to develop subcultures breaking down the cohesive nature of our society. If at some time in the future large numbers of US citizens cannot even speak the same language ... well it wouldn't be an improvement.

India has many subcultures and many languages. One of the benefits of the formal English rule is the legacy of a common language where all Indians can communicate. The reverse is happening in the US.


The reason India has English as a common language was because it use to be a British territory!

tanyaann's photo
Thu 04/29/10 05:45 AM


*Wipes Sweat Off Forehead*

Good thing I'm Bi-lingual

Actually I speak 3 Languages

Spanish

English

And Bull$hit bigsmile (just to deal with the everyday people)


and thats a great thing,, languages IN ADDITION to english make you more marketable in the US,, but try finding a decent job without at least knowing english,,,


He has English IN ADDITION to Spanish which is his primary language!

tanyaann's photo
Thu 04/29/10 05:45 AM

I found the following on a Constitutional Website.

Begin Quote:

Many people are surprised to learn that the United States has no official language. As one of the major centers of commerce and trade, and a major English-speaking country, many assume that English is the country's official language. But despite efforts over the years, the United States has no official language.

Almost every session of Congress, an amendment to the Constitution is proposed in Congress to adopt English as the official language of the United States. Other efforts have attempted to take the easier route of changing the U.S. Code to make English the official language. As of this writing, the efforts have not been successful.

Here is the text of a proposed amendment. This particular bill was introduced in the House of Representatives as H.J. Res. 16 (107th Congress):

The English language shall be the official language of the United States. As the official language, the English language shall be used for all public acts including every order, resolution, vote, or election, and for all records and judicial proceedings of the Government of the United States and the governments of the several States.

Also introduced in the 107th Congress was this text from H.R. 3333:

The Government of the United States shall preserve and enhance the role of English as the official language of the United States of America. Unless specifically stated in applicable law, no person has a right, entitlement, or claim to have the Government of the United States or any of its officials or representatives act, communicate, perform or provide services, or provide materials in any language other than English. If exceptions are made, that does not create a legal entitlement to additional services in that language or any language other than English.

Often these bills are in response to legislation recognizing non-English languages in public discourse of some kind. H.R. 3333, for example, also explicitly repealed the Bilingual Education Act which authorized funds to educate American students if their native tongue as well as to provide specialized training in the learning of English.

The most recent efforts to promote English as the official language has come as more and more immigration from Spanish-speaking and Eastern nations (such as China and Vietnam) has brought an influx of non-English speakers to the United States. According to the 1990 Census, 13.8 percent of U.S. residents speak some non-English language at home. 2.9 percent, or 6.7 million people, did not speak English at all, or could not speak it well.


Please post a link or source.

no photo
Thu 04/29/10 07:02 AM
Edited by Mikey117 on Thu 04/29/10 07:04 AM
all can say is one pair of my great grandparents came to America from Germany as Immigrants and knew NO english!! they came to Nebr. farmed the land and slowly learned our language, if it want for them I wouldnt be here!! AND all U "must speak English folks" how many of U speak a native language, cause they WERE the original settelers in America, shouldnt we learn their language? After all, they ARE the original owners of the U. S. till we took it from them and put them on reservations!! U go Tanya!!!!

willing2's photo
Thu 04/29/10 07:11 AM



*Wipes Sweat Off Forehead*

Good thing I'm Bi-lingual

Actually I speak 3 Languages

Spanish

English

And Bull$hit bigsmile (just to deal with the everyday people)


and thats a great thing,, languages IN ADDITION to english make you more marketable in the US,, but try finding a decent job without at least knowing english,,,


He has English IN ADDITION to Spanish which is his primary language!

Thanks for the great pic of him so, INS will know what he looks like when they go to pick him up for deportation.laugh laugh

no photo
Thu 04/29/10 07:19 AM
I wanna be deported to the Virgin Islands, I promise I will stay there!!bigsmile :banana:

InvictusV's photo
Thu 04/29/10 07:26 AM


correct me if I am wrong, but to become a citizen, you have to Be able to read, write, and speak English and have knowledge and an understanding of U.S. history and government (civics)."

(the above quoted from the USCIS) with these exceptions to that:
You Are Exempt From The English Language Requirement, But Are Still Required To Take The Civics Test If You Are:

Age 50 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident (green card holder) in the United States for 20 years (commonly referred to as the “50/20” exception).
OR
Age 55 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident in the United States for 15 years (commonly referred to as the “55/15” exception).
Note: Even if you qualify for the “50/20” or “55/15” English language exceptions listed above, you must still take the civics test. You may be permitted to take the civics test in your native language, but only if your command of spoken English is insufficient to conduct a valid examination in English. If you are age 65 or older and have been a permanent resident for at least 20 years at the time of filing for naturalization, you will be given special consideration regarding the civics requirement.




So why should it be different for anything else? I went to the DMV last week with my niece and it would be nearly impossible to have a translator for all of the different languages that I heard there alone.


You are required to live and work within the US for a period of time before you can be natualize.

Ultimately, english-only driver's test is racist and discrimination and a right-wing attempt at making things harder on all immigrants.


lmao..

metalwing's photo
Thu 04/29/10 07:29 AM





OMG! Are you saying you don't have an OPINION?laugh


Are you asking me why I think it's not an "official" language, Joe?

I think it's unofficially the "official" language laugh but maybe they don't want to label it as the official language because America is made up of many nationalities. Kind of strange when to be a citizen you have to know English.ohwell


English has been the unofficial Official language of the US forever. Not having it as an official language is causing illegals to develop subcultures breaking down the cohesive nature of our society. If at some time in the future large numbers of US citizens cannot even speak the same language ... well it wouldn't be an improvement.

India has many subcultures and many languages. One of the benefits of the formal English rule is the legacy of a common language where all Indians can communicate. The reverse is happening in the US.


The reason India has English as a common language was because it use to be a British territory!


I thought I said that. The "formal English rule" required all citizens to learn English. This policy benefited the future of the country. The opposite policy is damaging this country.

willing2's photo
Thu 04/29/10 07:32 AM

I wanna be deported to the Virgin Islands, I promise I will stay there!!bigsmile :banana:

How long would you last on an island full of virgins?:tongue:

Quietman_2009's photo
Thu 04/29/10 07:38 AM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Thu 04/29/10 07:39 AM
what do you call someone who speaks two languages? bilingual

what do you call someone ho speaks several languages? a polyglot

what do you call someone who speaks only one language? an American

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/29/10 07:42 AM
I have been through the LEGAL IMMIGRATION process and as far as I understand, to even COME here you must prove that you either have work(which in MOST cases is going to require that you have transportation or know english),,,or you have to show you have a SPONSOR. This sponsor is legally responsible for what you NEED, not the government. This sponsor is responsible for your support until you can support yourself,,,, period. Thats the laws and they should be applied equally to all. If you come not knowing the language , fine, , you should be able to (and are expected to) rely on your sponsor for your needs until you can survive on your own.....
a drivers license shouldnt be such a necessity if you actually have a sponsor,,,it should be the LAST of ones concernes. Many american citizens survive every year without driving.

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 04/29/10 08:31 AM

I wanna be deported to the Virgin Islands, I promise I will stay there!!bigsmile :banana:



There are no virgins there only Virginians!

bedlum1's photo
Thu 04/29/10 09:46 AM
im far from right wing but i gotta say if they want to visit fine...but if they are trying to become citizens english should be a requirement before papers are signed..

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Thu 04/29/10 09:50 AM


I wanna be deported to the Virgin Islands, I promise I will stay there!!bigsmile :banana:

How long would you last on an island full of virgins?:tongue:
As long as I can make them NOT Virgins!!bigsmile

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