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Topic: "This is Alabama; we speak English here" - WTF!
msharmony's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:07 PM


The operative words for me are 'another country'. I would suggest noone leaves their HOME to move to another city, state, or country without being prepared FIRST. Stay where you are, learn what you will need, and prepare yourself. ITs never wise to just pick up and go and then be STUCK once you arrive without what you need to survive.


What about refugees that didn't have a choice?

What about spouses and older children that rely on support from their partner or parent and are relocated?

What about individuals seeking a better life?

Also, I know a lot of international student that pass the TOEL, but aren't truly fluent in English.



If the question is level of fluency,, I can agree that this is an impossible standard to dictate. My feeling is that people should know the language enough to survive and do business.....

everyone who comes here does so for a better life, yet certain requirements are expected,,,its not an emotional issue its an issue of survivability and contribution

of course there are and should be exceptions , but they are just EXCEPTIONS which should be taken case by case and not standardized across the board...

refugees with no choice, have options available for assistance until they become able to function and survive on their own

those who rely on others for support, will have to continue to do so ,,,that is immigration law as it pertains to finances and should be the same as it pertains to anything else.....


willing2's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:08 PM
Edited by willing2 on Wed 04/28/10 01:10 PM

im kinda baffled..English IS the common Known language of the usa.

now i see people insisting theres no common language?
huh?

im not sure where they are coming from,but if you want to live in the usa,you should Know Read and Speak english.

want to speak in another language,great! cool!
have at it.

just dont expect the usa to bend over backwards because you cannot or will not learn english.
thats lucridious.

and if you just came here,and dont know how,then im Quite sure you would Find another countryman to help teach you.

in fact,one of the chatrooms i go to,i see lots of people from all over the world,learning to speak english,because they want to come here to the usa..where the Common language is...drum roll please..English!!

just my opinion.

ps,i still wish this site had a chatroom..even just one room,would be sufficient.

English has never been voted in as our primary language.

DrRob's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:12 PM


OK...answer me this:

Suppose You or a family member, or friend was in a serious auto accident caused by the driver of the other vehicle!

OK...and the one that you loved was killed, or maimed for life!

Now...suppose...the other driver did not understand or could not read the sign posted to prevent the possibility of the accident.

Do you still think they should have been licensed to drive, even though they didn't know the language?

We all need to be on the same page with the language, otherwise...the other driver becomes a liability to you, your, and my safety on the highways.

JMO - If I Still Have One!

what


i have actually seen this happen..not any death,but the guy clearly had no clue what he was doing.
drove right thru a flashing red light,and t boned another car.
couldnt speak a word of english.
and he had a license..how did he pass the test??

btw,Great reply and well said drinker

willing2's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:12 PM



The operative words for me are 'another country'. I would suggest noone leaves their HOME to move to another city, state, or country without being prepared FIRST. Stay where you are, learn what you will need, and prepare yourself. ITs never wise to just pick up and go and then be STUCK once you arrive without what you need to survive.


What about refugees that didn't have a choice?

What about spouses and older children that rely on support from their partner or parent and are relocated?

What about individuals seeking a better life?(Does that mean Illegals?)

Also, I know a lot of international student that pass the TOEL, but aren't truly fluent in English.

After they prove their immigrant status, they should be allowed to hire a translator. Or, have the test available at a cost so, taxpayers don't have to absorb the cost.

Your post is a great argument to have English implemented as our primary language.

I have stated before, Other languages aside from English, have no business in Government. Local, State or Federal.

I'd still like an answer on what is meant by, individuals seeking a better life.

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:15 PM

And I am not saying it isn't important to learn the dominant language, however, you are going to exclude individuals before they become fluent in it! That is discrimination!

And if you read the article, it states that it won't cost more to have tests in other language... the state would actually lose revenue if tests were only given in English.


which article, I didnt read anything about the costs besides the risk of losing certain federal funding,,,,

DrRob's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:17 PM
Edited by DrRob on Wed 04/28/10 01:18 PM


English has never been voted in as our primary language.


so?
i still stand by this statement.

im kinda baffled..English IS the common Known language of the usa

and whether or not its been voted on?

again..so?

since the day we came here and stole this country from the indians,english has been the common known language...Correct?

so that means it IS our primary language..irregardless of vote.

willing2's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:23 PM



English has never been voted in as our primary language.


so?
i still stand by this statement.

im kinda baffled..English IS the common Known language of the usa

and whether or not its been voted on?

again..so?

since the day we came here and stole this country from the indians,english has been the common known language...Correct?

so that means it IS our primary language..irregardless of vote.

Legally, to get other languages out of government, English would have to be voted in and signed by a president.

cashu's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:32 PM
if you don't like the rules our don't feel they apply to you . GET OUT ....

Seakolony's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:32 PM
English is taught to the children of this nation all through school, not spanish, not french, not any asian, arabic, or latin, but English. If English is not the language of the US, then why is taught all through school k-12 and other languages only taught in 8-12 and as second languages?

willing2's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:37 PM

English is taught to the children of this nation all through school, not spanish, not french, not any asian, arabic, or latin, but English. If English is not the language of the US, then why is taught all through school k-12 and other languages only taught in 8-12 and as second languages?

Down here, classes are also taught in Spanish up until the ninth grade. Do you believe, after all that time, there are a lot of kids who still can't speak English?

cashu's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:40 PM

if you don't like the rules our don't feel they apply to you . GET OUT .... HOO RAY FOR ARIZONA AT LAST A STATE TAKES A STAND AGAINST THIS INVASION ... WE need to get even with any co. or state that stands against Arizona . boycott any business that says any thing against ARIZONA

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:42 PM


English is taught to the children of this nation all through school, not spanish, not french, not any asian, arabic, or latin, but English. If English is not the language of the US, then why is taught all through school k-12 and other languages only taught in 8-12 and as second languages?

Down here, classes are also taught in Spanish up until the ninth grade. Do you believe, after all that time, there are a lot of kids who still can't speak English?



she made a point I hadnt thought of,, there is actually REQUIRED IN THE CURRICULUM a course called ENGLISH.. ( I think one must currently have four years of it to graduate to higher education).

no photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:43 PM


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100428/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1831

Amid a national debate over Arizona's tough new immigration law, Republican Alabama gubernatorial candidate Tim James (and son of previous Gov. Fob James) vows in a new campaign ad that if he's elected, he'll give the state driver's license exam only in English, as a cost-saving measure.

"This is Alabama; we speak English," he says in the ad. "If you want to live here, learn it."

Full Article on Link Above


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This is WRONG on so many levels, IMO.


sounds harsh but reasonable. If I want to visit France its one thing, If I want to live in France I should probably learn French or at least not expect France to spend their money to accomodate my choice not to learn it...



wow. I've said almost those exact words many a time.
drinker

no photo
Wed 04/28/10 01:54 PM



English has never been voted in as our primary language.


so?
i still stand by this statement.

im kinda baffled..English IS the common Known language of the usa

and whether or not its been voted on?

again..so?

since the day we came here and stole this country from the indians,english has been the common known language...Correct?

so that means it IS our primary language..irregardless of vote.


"irregardless" isn't word in the English language.
Just thought I'd point that out. Perhaps you need a refresher course in English.

no photo
Wed 04/28/10 02:03 PM
Edited by Dancere on Wed 04/28/10 02:03 PM

English has never been voted in as our primary language.


Actually, it was, historically as it gets ...

... Back in the times of the original 13 colonies when we were blending many mother tongues ...

German lost by a vote of one colony ...

Hence, English, voted in as the American language by the majority!

DrRob's photo
Wed 04/28/10 02:41 PM


"irregardless" isn't word in the English language.
Just thought I'd point that out. Perhaps you need a refresher course in English.


Origin
The origin of irregardless is not known for certain, but the speculation among references is that it may be a blend, or portmanteau word, of irrespective and regardless, both of which are commonly accepted standard English words. By blending these words, an illogical word is created. Another possibility is that when people say "irregardless" they are following the pattern of words like "irrelevant", "irrational" and "irregular". "Since the prefix ir- means 'not' (as it does with irrespective), and the suffix -less means 'without,' irregardless is a double negative."[1] According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Irregardless was first acknowledged in 1912 by the Wentworth American Dialect Dictionary as originating from western Indiana. Barely a decade later, the usage dispute over irregardless was such that, in 1923, Literary Digest published an article titled "Is There Such a Word as Irregardless in the English Language?

im totally crushed by your mighty wisdom,o keeper of the grammar.laugh

if this is what you feel the need to do,posting stupid little zingers like this,then perhaps you need a refresher course in courtesy and class.

btw,if i were to be half as anal as you were,i would merely point out that you forgot an a in your sentence structure.

thanks for the waste of space.
o,and also for showing me what you are all about.

have a nice day.......

boredinaz06's photo
Wed 04/28/10 03:33 PM


English has never been voted in as our primary language.


Actually, it was, historically as it gets ...

... Back in the times of the original 13 colonies when we were blending many mother tongues ...

German lost by a vote of one colony ...

Hence, English, voted in as the American language by the majority!


If that's true, works for medrinker

tanyaann's photo
Wed 04/28/10 03:56 PM



The operative words for me are 'another country'. I would suggest noone leaves their HOME to move to another city, state, or country without being prepared FIRST. Stay where you are, learn what you will need, and prepare yourself. ITs never wise to just pick up and go and then be STUCK once you arrive without what you need to survive.


What about refugees that didn't have a choice?

What about spouses and older children that rely on support from their partner or parent and are relocated?

What about individuals seeking a better life?(Does that mean Illegals?)

Also, I know a lot of international student that pass the TOEL, but aren't truly fluent in English.

After they prove their immigrant status, they should be allowed to hire a translator. Or, have the test available at a cost so, taxpayers don't have to absorb the cost.

Your post is a great argument to have English implemented as our primary language.

I have stated before, Other languages aside from English, have no business in Government. Local, State or Federal.


If they are paying taxes, why should they pay extra?

tanyaann's photo
Wed 04/28/10 03:59 PM
Edited by tanyaann on Wed 04/28/10 04:01 PM


And I am not saying it isn't important to learn the dominant language, however, you are going to exclude individuals before they become fluent in it! That is discrimination!

And if you read the article, it states that it won't cost more to have tests in other language... the state would actually lose revenue if tests were only given in English.


which article, I didnt read anything about the costs besides the risk of losing certain federal funding,,,,


Federal funds is a revenue... there are already standards that dictate that tests in other languages are present (this is part of what the federal funding covers).

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 04/28/10 04:31 PM
correct me if I am wrong, but to become a citizen, you have to Be able to read, write, and speak English and have knowledge and an understanding of U.S. history and government (civics)."

(the above quoted from the USCIS) with these exceptions to that:
You Are Exempt From The English Language Requirement, But Are Still Required To Take The Civics Test If You Are:

Age 50 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident (green card holder) in the United States for 20 years (commonly referred to as the “50/20” exception).
OR
Age 55 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident in the United States for 15 years (commonly referred to as the “55/15” exception).
Note: Even if you qualify for the “50/20” or “55/15” English language exceptions listed above, you must still take the civics test. You may be permitted to take the civics test in your native language, but only if your command of spoken English is insufficient to conduct a valid examination in English. If you are age 65 or older and have been a permanent resident for at least 20 years at the time of filing for naturalization, you will be given special consideration regarding the civics requirement.




So why should it be different for anything else? I went to the DMV last week with my niece and it would be nearly impossible to have a translator for all of the different languages that I heard there alone.

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