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Topic: Can mary save?
Donfitex's photo
Thu 11/08/12 01:37 PM
Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?

SimplicityAtItsBest's photo
Thu 11/08/12 01:44 PM
Don't know....
but I see her in my oatmeal every morning laugh

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 11/08/12 06:39 PM

Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

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Fri 11/09/12 03:08 AM


Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.

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Fri 11/09/12 03:45 AM
No.

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Mon 11/12/12 11:58 AM
Save yourself.


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Mon 11/12/12 04:34 PM



Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.



lmbo...Exactly! mary is dead she can not save anyone, neither can she hear us are anyone for that matter, the dead are simply that> "DEAD!!!

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Mon 11/12/12 04:36 PM




Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.



lmbo...Exactly! mary is dead she can not save anyone, neither can she hear us are anyone for that matter, the dead are simply that> "DEAD!!!


So you don't believe in the ever lasting soul?

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Mon 11/12/12 07:48 PM




Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.



lmbo...Exactly! mary is dead she can not save anyone, neither can she hear us are anyone for that matter, the dead are simply that> "DEAD!!!


According to Catholic doctrine, Mary ascended into heaven directly and did not die on Earth

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 11/12/12 08:04 PM





Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.



lmbo...Exactly! mary is dead she can not save anyone, neither can she hear us are anyone for that matter, the dead are simply that> "DEAD!!!


According to Catholic doctrine, Mary ascended into heaven directly and did not die on Earth


huh I don't know if such a claim is Catholic doctrine, but it sure isn't biblical doctrine.

TBRich's photo
Mon 11/12/12 08:06 PM






Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.



lmbo...Exactly! mary is dead she can not save anyone, neither can she hear us are anyone for that matter, the dead are simply that> "DEAD!!!


According to Catholic doctrine, Mary ascended into heaven directly and did not die on Earth


huh I don't know if such a claim is Catholic doctrine, but it sure isn't biblical doctrine.



All three times the Pope has spoken Ex Cathera, it has been about Mary and the Immaculate Assumption is one of them

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 11/12/12 08:48 PM







Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.



lmbo...Exactly! mary is dead she can not save anyone, neither can she hear us are anyone for that matter, the dead are simply that> "DEAD!!!


According to Catholic doctrine, Mary ascended into heaven directly and did not die on Earth


huh I don't know if such a claim is Catholic doctrine, but it sure isn't biblical doctrine.



All three times the Pope has spoken Ex Cathera, it has been about Mary and the Immaculate Assumption is one of them

Oh well. No Pope is perfect. ohwell

TBRich's photo
Mon 11/12/12 09:12 PM








Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.



The Pope is considered infallible when he speaks Ex Cathera, which has happened three times, all relating to the topic of Mary.

lmbo...Exactly! mary is dead she can not save anyone, neither can she hear us are anyone for that matter, the dead are simply that> "DEAD!!!


According to Catholic doctrine, Mary ascended into heaven directly and did not die on Earth


huh I don't know if such a claim is Catholic doctrine, but it sure isn't biblical doctrine.



All three times the Pope has spoken Ex Cathera, it has been about Mary and the Immaculate Assumption is one of them

Oh well. No Pope is perfect. ohwell

TBRich's photo
Tue 11/13/12 10:54 AM









Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.



The Pope is considered infallible when he speaks Ex Cathera, which has happened three times, all relating to the topic of Mary.

lmbo...Exactly! mary is dead she can not save anyone, neither can she hear us are anyone for that matter, the dead are simply that> "DEAD!!!


According to Catholic doctrine, Mary ascended into heaven directly and did not die on Earth


huh I don't know if such a claim is Catholic doctrine, but it sure isn't biblical doctrine.



All three times the Pope has spoken Ex Cathera, it has been about Mary and the Immaculate Assumption is one of them

Oh well. No Pope is perfect. ohwell



Catholic doctrine holds that when the Pope speaks Ex Cathera, he is infallible

RoamingOrator's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:41 PM
The day I believe that some middle-eastern teenager who was raped by a Roman soldier has sway over my soul, please, please check me into a mental hospital.

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Tue 11/13/12 01:12 PM






Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.



lmbo...Exactly! mary is dead she can not save anyone, neither can she hear us are anyone for that matter, the dead are simply that> "DEAD!!!


According to Catholic doctrine, Mary ascended into heaven directly and did not die on Earth


huh I don't know if such a claim is Catholic doctrine, but it sure isn't biblical doctrine.

The Assumption

The doctrine of the Assumption says that at the end of her life on earth Mary was assumed, body and soul, into heaven, just as Enoch, Elijah, and perhaps others had been before her. It’s also necessary to keep in mind what the Assumption is not. Some people think Catholics believe Mary "ascended" into heaven. That’s not correct. Christ, by his own power, ascended into heaven. Mary was assumed or taken up into heaven by God. She didn’t do it under her own power.

The Church has never formally defined whether she died or not, and the integrity of the doctrine of the Assumption would not be impaired if she did not in fact die, but the almost universal consensus is that she did die. Pope Pius XII, in Munificentissimus Deus (1950), defined that Mary, "after the completion of her earthly life" (note the silence regarding her death), "was assumed body and soul into the glory of heaven."

The possibility of a bodily assumption before the Second Coming is suggested by Matthew 27:52–53: "[T]he tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many." Did all these Old Testament saints die and have to be buried all over again? There is no record of that, but it is recorded by early Church writers that they were assumed into heaven, or at least into that temporary state of rest and happiness often called "paradise," where the righteous people from the Old Testament era waited until Christ’s resurrection (cf. Luke 16:22, 23:43; Heb. 11:1–40; 1 Pet. 4:6), after which they were brought into the eternal bliss of heaven.



No Remains

There is also what might be called the negative historical proof for Mary’s Assumption. It is easy to document that, from the first, Christians gave homage to saints, including many about whom we now know little or nothing. Cities vied for the title of the last resting place of the most famous saints. Rome, for example, houses the tombs of Peter and Paul, Peter’s tomb being under the high altar of St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome. In the early Christian centuries relics of saints were zealously guarded and highly prized. The bones of those martyred in the Coliseum, for instance, were quickly gathered up and preserved—there are many accounts of this in the biographies of those who gave their lives for the faith.

It is agreed upon that Mary ended her life in Jerusalem, or perhaps in Ephesus. However, neither those cities nor any other claimed her remains, though there are claims about possessing her (temporary) tomb. And why did no city claim the bones of Mary? Apparently because there weren’t any bones to claim, and people knew it. Here was Mary, certainly the most privileged of all the saints, certainly the most saintly, but we have no record of her bodily remains being venerated anywhere.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/immaculate-conception-and-assumption

I don't know,I wasn't there!spock

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Tue 11/13/12 02:24 PM

Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


Catholics don't worship The Blessed Mother. We venerate her above all othe saints and angels.

There is no "Immaculate Assumption". There is the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary. Two different things.

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Tue 11/13/12 02:44 PM


Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


Catholics don't worship The Blessed Mother. We venerate her above all othe saints and angels.

There is no "Immaculate Assumption". There is the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary. Two different things.


That, in a way, is a form of worship.


Ruth34611's photo
Tue 11/13/12 03:03 PM


That, in a way, is a form of worship.




Worship, veneration, devotion, adoration. They are all different interiorly. You can't see the difference by watching someone's actions. It's how the person views and feels about the object of their affections. If you want to call it worship it matters not to me. I was just answering the OP's question.

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Tue 11/13/12 03:53 PM










Y do people believe in mary to d extend of worshiping her?


huh Are you referring to the same Mary who had sex with her husband Joseph after she gave birth to her son Jesus, the same Mary who gave birth to other children after she gave birth to her son Jesus? That Mary?

yep, that should be the mary.
To answer your question, she can't save neither does she hear us.



The Pope is considered infallible when he speaks Ex Cathera, which has happened three times, all relating to the topic of Mary.

lmbo...Exactly! mary is dead she can not save anyone, neither can she hear us are anyone for that matter, the dead are simply that> "DEAD!!!


According to Catholic doctrine, Mary ascended into heaven directly and did not die on Earth


huh I don't know if such a claim is Catholic doctrine, but it sure isn't biblical doctrine.



All three times the Pope has spoken Ex Cathera, it has been about Mary and the Immaculate Assumption is one of them

Oh well. No Pope is perfect. ohwell



Catholic doctrine holds that when the Pope speaks Ex Cathera, he is infallible


Wow, what a way to present unfalsifiable arguments.

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