Topic: Should marriage be declared permanent by law
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Sun 08/20/17 02:02 AM
Omg, I just had a thought!
If you did make it law then would it see the demise of sites like this or would it go to the dark Web? surprised

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 08/20/17 02:16 AM
Criminal Courts might have to sit 24/7!

Duttoneer's photo
Sun 08/20/17 03:07 AM

It would not make much difference in my opinion, you cannot force people to live together and some people would still separate for the same reasons they do now, and if they were unable to remarry someone else they would just live together with them.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 08/20/17 06:07 AM


what's the penalty for breaking this law ?

30 days in the county jail with your spouse for a cellmate ? laugh


no, it should be more of a civil procedure than a criminal one,, so ,, no jail time.

perhaps fines paid to the state, or a mandated period of counseling for the divorce to be granted,,,etc,,,



Ironically, that is EXACTLY what I was required to go through to get my divorce in Virginia. HUGE "fines," and VERY long "period of counseling," as well as lifetime ongoing financial "penalties." That's why it took me so very long to save up the money to complete the thing.

By the way, they changed the names for everything to try to hide the fact that it was set up as a way for the government to both try to force people to stay married, and to derive private and public profits from anyone who insisted on going through divorce. The "fines" are called "court fees," the mandated period of counselling is called "legal separation including living in separate houses for at least two years," and the profiteering was disguised as "normal processing costs by the requirement to hire expensive private lawyers to fill out the complex paperwork." The lifetime financial penalties are called " alimony," of course.

It's all why I decided never again to even TRY to get married. The State immediately has it's hands in my pockets, and has monitors in every aspect of my life, as soon as I say "I do."

Never again.

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Sun 08/20/17 11:13 AM
Should marriage be declared permanent by law

Sure.
People already gave the government the power to identify "married" people as separate, give them unique and separate rights, recognize them as such, force people to go through certain hoops in order to be labeled as "married," (marriage certificate, paperwork fees, witnesses, blood tests, age restrictions, name changes).

And, depending on the state, if you happen to live together and they call you their wife or husband or spouse (even jokingly, possibly to get a discount at a restaurant) where a 3rd party hears, the state "can" recognize you as married and go after you for things like medicare/medicaid reimbursement for your "spouse," alimony, palimony, child support for a kid from a previous spouse, credit and bankruptcy money.

A bunch of other people fought to expand government power to recognize their "same sex" marriages as marriage to force everyone else to recognize them.

So wtf, why not.

You have a bag of weed and get busted, it's on your "permanent record."
You are declared a felon permanently.
So the government has the power to enforce "permanent" labels.

So wtf, why not.

In effect and consequences it pretty much already is.



Are you asking "should the government have the power to compel individuals to behave in what are considered traditionally married ways? e.g. sharing a bed, having kids, living together, thanksgiving dinners, vacations, shared bank accounts and credit, legally unable to marry someone else, etc."

I don't really see that as enforceable unless everyone that decides to get married is put in a prison.



Rooster35's photo
Sun 08/20/17 11:22 AM

Opinions

They can do whatever they want with Marriage. It's no concern of mine anymore.

RupertBearz's photo
Thu 10/19/17 05:09 PM
The marriage rate would drop to near 0%. I know I would never marry again!

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Thu 06/14/18 11:20 PM
Murder rates would rise off the charts.
It would be the death of all hope. lol ROFL

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Fri 06/15/18 02:54 AM



what's the penalty for breaking this law ?

30 days in the county jail with your spouse for a cellmate ? laugh


no, it should be more of a civil procedure than a criminal one,, so ,, no jail time.

perhaps fines paid to the state, or a mandated period of counseling for the divorce to be granted,,,etc,,,



Ironically, that is EXACTLY what I was required to go through to get my divorce in Virginia. HUGE "fines," and VERY long "period of counseling," as well as lifetime ongoing financial "penalties." That's why it took me so very long to save up the money to complete the thing.

By the way, they changed the names for everything to try to hide the fact that it was set up as a way for the government to both try to force people to stay married, and to derive private and public profits from anyone who insisted on going through divorce. The "fines" are called "court fees," the mandated period of counselling is called "legal separation including living in separate houses for at least two years," and the profiteering was disguised as "normal processing costs by the requirement to hire expensive private lawyers to fill out the complex paperwork." The lifetime financial penalties are called " alimony," of course.

It's all why I decided never again to even TRY to get married. The State immediately has it's hands in my pockets, and has monitors in every aspect of my life, as soon as I say "I do."

Never again.


Wow, I've never known of anyone who has ever receive alimony. Is it really for the rest of her life?

By the time someone files for a divorce there is usually a serious issue. My daughter needs braces and I will spend the next two years trying to get my ex to pay his half. I envy those people who got divorced and never had to speak to their ex again.

I've been married twice. When i married I would have never guessed things would have gone so wrong.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Fri 06/15/18 04:43 AM

Marriage is a religious institution and I am all for the separation of church and state.



If anyone is interested, this comment actually touches on some common misunderstandings.

Marriage is only "a religious institution" by accident, more or less. Or rather, it has ALWAYS been an entirely governmental function, but during certain times, and in certain places, people tried to substitute RELIGION based government, for civil government.

In it's simplest form, marriage is what happens when individuals arrange to commit themselves and their resources to each other. Somewhere in the distant past, and not recorded directly, many societies decided to formalize the agreements involved, for a variety of reasons, and at that point, marriage as we know it today, evolved into being.

The reason why many people THINK that marriage is primarily religious in nature, is coincidence, more than anything else. Religion has ALWAYS been used by people in power, to try to increase and maintain control of populations under their sway. Where people are more into religion than they are into loyalty to leaders, those in power have often "adjusted" the religious ideas, to more or less trick the people into cooperating with the governors. After a generation or so, the fact that this was artificially arranged was forgotten.

Anyway. Marriage has always functionally been a part of the secular law enforcement system of societies. These days, particularly in the US, the religious side of it is given lip service, and occasionally used as a manipulative trick, but religion plays to functional part in what people are required to do because of it.

As always, it is about property and legal responsibilities, more than anything else.

oldkid46's photo
Fri 06/15/18 06:36 AM
Divorce laws and child support are regulated by state law. What one person experiences and comments on in a forum such as this does not apply to someone living in a different state.

oldkid46's photo
Fri 06/15/18 06:45 AM
Marriage needs to be a legal contract that lasts for the term of any minor children. After that, it should be subject to renegotiation and renewal at specified intervals. The original contract should have the terms of separation should the contract not be renewed. What we have now is a bunch of words subject to each person's interpretation. It also has no enforcement or termination provisions.

Stu's photo
Fri 06/15/18 06:49 AM

Marriage needs to be a legal contract that lasts for the term of any minor children. After that, it should be subject to renegotiation and renewal at specified intervals. The original contract should have the terms of separation should the contract not be renewed. What we have now is a bunch of words subject to each person's interpretation. It also has no enforcement or termination provisions.


Not sure that would be in the best interest of the child, unless the adults lived apart.

Imo, hell no.

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Fri 06/15/18 07:11 AM
Consider me strongly opposed to this idea. And I’m a staunch believer in marriage and hate the idea of divorce. But making two people stay together who can’t live together peacefully will only produce a house hostile with resentment. That household is more likely to raise kids that don’t want anything to do with marriage than kids who take marriage more seriously.

The legal concept of marriage was only invented for the same purpose that contracts were drawn up for leasing land or stud animals. To make sure women and children were protected from being badly used and tossed asside in a ditch when presented with a younger version with fewer mouths to feed. Now that women have the rights and means to take care of themselves, it’s a moot practice as far as I can see.

As for me, I would only want the husband who wants to be by my side, and the father who genuinely cares for and wants to raise his own children. One who’s there because he feels obligated...or worse, because he’s required to be, is of little use to me.

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Fri 06/15/18 07:11 AM
Should marriage be declared permanent by law ? No.

why? you cant legislate human emotions.

The problem isn't marriage itself as an institution , the problem is people's unrealistic expectation of marriage.

Laws cannot fix those only people themselves can.

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Fri 06/15/18 07:19 AM
I vote no

notbeold's photo
Fri 06/15/18 07:40 AM
Opinion: moronic.

Married to an abuser for life; married to a paedophile; married to a terminal cancer patient - beyond death do us never part; married to a psychopath - here comes Johnny; married to a compulsive gambler; married to a religious zealot; married to a disease ridden cheater, etc.

Mental illness, depression, and spouse murder would go through the roof. ill

allenwilson534's photo
Fri 06/15/18 08:23 AM
Like hell no! we are trying to deal with a heavy population growth globally right now and marriage being declared by law will just be a contradiction to our goal. so I don't really think It should be declared by law. Although I'm single right now and seeking a serious relationship that will definitely lead to marriage so I think if any person gets an interests in me i will gladly love us to start off communication, maybe we will know where that leads.

Blah's photo
Fri 06/15/18 12:19 PM
The gov. already has it's nose buried
too far up the rectums of everyone's
personal business.


If one needs the law, to make their
marriage last, one shouldn't have
gotten married in the first place.


jazzinc's photo
Fri 06/15/18 03:45 PM
No complicated answer!

If civil marriage doesn't work as expected; then; by common agreement.....LEGAL DIVORCE!

Religious marriage(it depends on each religion)...is forever or not.!..under certain specific conditions.