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Trump has asked the kneelers to recommend friends, family, and acquaintances to be pardoned. I think it's a great idea. We really don't know kaep's story about who he feels was wronged by our county. It gives them a chance to really do something for their people. Do you think this makes Trump a good president?
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JOHNN111
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Yea let's ask Kanye and Beyonce too who should be pardoned
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yes that racist president freed a 63 year old black grandmother convicted of a non violent drug crime 21 year ago.
yes that is what racist presidents do Unlike the scumbags Bill Clinton pardoned during his presidency. So how is Trump racist again? |
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Trump has asked the kneelers to recommend friends, family, and acquaintances to be pardoned. I think it's a great idea. We really don't know kaep's story about who he feels was wronged by our county. It gives them a chance to really do something for their people. Do you think this makes Trump a good president? another opportunist move in my opinion and probably a misunderstanding of how serious the power of pardon is. It is one power that the President has which allows him to act without any approval, which must be appealing to someone with the power obsession that Trump has (its like the opposite complete power of saying 'youre fired'. I dont believe pardons are intended for the 'friends, family, and acquaintances' of people one is trying to mend fences with. although, in that same frame, he is granting to people who are already dead or served their time, so its mostly a 'record' type of thing. If 5 pardons a year makes a good president, Obama's 212 in eight should make him seem phenomenal, but Im doubting thats the case. We do know Kaep's story as well. It wasnt about how HE was personally wronged, but about how the justice system does not treat minorities equitably when it comes to valuing their life's breath. This stand wasn't because I feel like I'm being put down in any kind of way. This is because I'm seeing things happen to people that don't have a voice: people that don't have a platform to talk and have their voices heard and affect change. So I'm in the position where I can do that, and I'm going to do that for people that can't. Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/colin_kaepernick_773490 |
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yes that racist president freed a 63 year old black grandmother convicted of a non violent drug crime 21 year ago. yes that is what racist presidents do Unlike the scumbags Bill Clinton pardoned during his presidency. So how is Trump racist again? racists can also be opportunists, and make exceptions .... I've known a few in interracial relationships even ... |
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Ive seen nothing in Trump's past to indicate he is a racist.
NOTHING. Ive seen things that makes me question his business tactics, he is a womanizer, he is narcissistic among other character flaws But I draw the line with the racist rhetoric. If Hillary Clinton was president today many folks including Media would be nitpicking things she has or hasn't done. They would be Questioning her honesty and integrity, the honeymoon for this woman would have lasted until the first mass shooting in America. Kind of the same thing here with Justin Trudeau, the son of a former liberal in the closet marxist prime minister who promised to right the wrong of the Conservatives and make Canada a wonderful place to live again. Back to Trump. So tell me again how Trump is racist? provide some actual facts not sound bites please. |
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I understand it wasn't kaep himself. But I would like to know the story of his friend. For instance, was his friend actually commuting a crime and feels he got too much time or was he arrested for nothing.
It would also be nice to see if the people who get pardoned stay out of trouble or end up back on the wrong side of the law. |
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I think the drug dealing grandma should have been pardoned. But I also wonder if the judge gave her a harsh sentence because usually mom's and grandmother worry about their children getting on drugs. My son in law says i sound like an after school special. So, what if her sentencing had nothing to do with being black.
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I feel that Some convicted fellons, after a considerable number of years served in prison, should be pardoned, if their crimes are not real severe.
Murder, rape, child sexual abuse. ECT. No. No matter what POTUS frees them. |
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Ive seen nothing in Trump's past to indicate he is a racist. NOTHING. Ive seen things that makes me question his business tactics, he is a womanizer, he is narcissistic among other character flaws But I draw the line with the racist rhetoric. If Hillary Clinton was president today many folks including Media would be nitpicking things she has or hasn't done. They would be Questioning her honesty and integrity, the honeymoon for this woman would have lasted until the first mass shooting in America. Kind of the same thing here with Justin Trudeau, the son of a former liberal in the closet marxist prime minister who promised to right the wrong of the Conservatives and make Canada a wonderful place to live again. Back to Trump. So tell me again how Trump is racist? provide some actual facts not sound bites please. To answer, I would have to repeat my stand on racism that it can be implicit and inherent and that it is not all manifested in the same HATEFUL or BLATANT way. the backbone of racism is assuming character or value of a person without any knowledge of them besides their race ... it is in implicit racism tests that have people instantly pick the photo that they visualize when certain words pop up ... in America that implicit BIAS is strongly negative regarding minorities and positive regarding others. so without even knowing the ignorance, many see minorities in a negative light UNTIL they individually prove otherwise and often become only 'exceptions'. With all that being said. Trump having grown up primarily in the circle of rich white males has most likely not had to THINK much about race EXCEPT for whatever nationally IMPLICIT bias he was exposed to. A bias that might EXPLAIN why he and his father were charged with violating the fair housing act, why they were charged with discrimination in their casino, why he invested a full page ad against calling for death penalty against five black youth later found innocent of rape why he pushed so hard on the 'IS OBAMA a citizen? Birther crap." why he keeps pushing the image of mexicans as rapists and drug dealers why there is such discrepancy in how he reacts to white males violence against others, qualifying two men who beat a homeless mexican by commenting how 'passionate' his supporters were, and qualifying a charlottesville incident of a white nationalist running people over by saying 'both sides' were at fault and YET, describing violence in baltimore after greys death as 'thugs' destroying the city why he stated that a Mexican judge could not be fair to him why he suggested maybe the Muslim mother of a vet 'couldnt' say anything why he apparently believes haitians and nigerians are all living in 'huts' ... now, in his defense, I believe him to be another victim of national implicit racial bias, but I dont believe it is something conscious. I believe he uses that bias whenever it suits him, but I believe that when it suits him to try to counter the bias, he does that too ... I dont believe he stands FIRMLY about anything, really, including race, but I do think he does too much to further validate the bias that exists every time he plays to it for votes and support |
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I feel that Some convicted fellons, after a considerable number of years served in prison, should be pardoned, if their crimes are not real severe. Murder, rape, child sexual abuse. ECT. No. No matter what POTUS frees them. I agree. It would clear out a lot of the prisons and should free up some tax money. Plus for those who've really changed, it would be great for them to have a second chance. |
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Ive seen nothing in Trump's past to indicate he is a racist. NOTHING. Ive seen things that makes me question his business tactics, he is a womanizer, he is narcissistic among other character flaws But I draw the line with the racist rhetoric. If Hillary Clinton was president today many folks including Media would be nitpicking things she has or hasn't done. They would be Questioning her honesty and integrity, the honeymoon for this woman would have lasted until the first mass shooting in America. Kind of the same thing here with Justin Trudeau, the son of a former liberal in the closet marxist prime minister who promised to right the wrong of the Conservatives and make Canada a wonderful place to live again. Back to Trump. So tell me again how Trump is racist? provide some actual facts not sound bites please. To answer, I would have to repeat my stand on racism that it can be implicit and inherent and that it is not all manifested in the same HATEFUL or BLATANT way. the backbone of racism is assuming character or value of a person without any knowledge of them besides their race ... it is in implicit racism tests that have people instantly pick the photo that they visualize when certain words pop up ... in America that implicit BIAS is strongly negative regarding minorities and positive regarding others. so without even knowing the ignorance, many see minorities in a negative light UNTIL they individually prove otherwise and often become only 'exceptions'. With all that being said. Trump having grown up primarily in the circle of rich white males has most likely not had to THINK much about race EXCEPT for whatever nationally IMPLICIT bias he was exposed to. A bias that might EXPLAIN why he and his father were charged with violating the fair housing act, why they were charged with discrimination in their casino, why he invested a full page ad against calling for death penalty against five black youth later found innocent of rape why he pushed so hard on the 'IS OBAMA a citizen? Birther crap." why he keeps pushing the image of mexicans as rapists and drug dealers why there is such discrepancy in how he reacts to white males violence against others, qualifying two men who beat a homeless mexican by commenting how 'passionate' his supporters were, and qualifying a charlottesville incident of a white nationalist running people over by saying 'both sides' were at fault and YET, describing violence in baltimore after greys death as 'thugs' destroying the city why he stated that a Mexican judge could not be fair to him why he suggested maybe the Muslim mother of a vet 'couldnt' say anything why he apparently believes haitians and nigerians are all living in 'huts' ... now, in his defense, I believe him to be another victim of national implicit racial bias, but I dont believe it is something conscious. I believe he uses that bias whenever it suits him, but I believe that when it suits him to try to counter the bias, he does that too ... I dont believe he stands FIRMLY about anything, really, including race, but I do think he does too much to further validate the bias that exists every time he plays to it for votes and support Read your second paragrah, then read the fourth paragragh. Try to realize how racist you are being. |
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I feel that Some convicted fellons, after a considerable number of years served in prison, should be pardoned, if their crimes are not real severe. Murder, rape, child sexual abuse. ECT. No. No matter what POTUS frees them. I agree. It would clear out a lot of the prisons and should free up some tax money. Plus for those who've really changed, it would be great for them to have a second chance. I think so |
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I think the drug dealing grandma should have been pardoned. But I also wonder if the judge gave her a harsh sentence because usually mom's and grandmother worry about their children getting on drugs. My son in law says i sound like an after school special. So, what if her sentencing had nothing to do with being black. I might be wrong on the date, but about 20 years or so the government really cracked down on drug dealing of any level.And 1,000's of people were sent to prison for relatively small crimes. There are people in prison right now for selling pot.. a item that is now legal in many states. ( I don't smoke pot, so I'm not a pro potster) I think a " cleansing" of the prisons should be done for those type people. non violent people who were dealt long terms for crimes that in todays world are not crimes, barely crimes or considered minor. The grandmother should not have been in prison that long and I am sure there many many more violence is a different matter.. you get your sentence and that's it.. no pardon. |
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Edited by
diserli_gears
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Fri 06/08/18 01:07 PM
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To answer, I would have to repeat my stand on racism that it can be implicit and inherent and that it is not all manifested in the same HATEFUL or BLATANT way. the backbone of racism is assuming character or value of a person without any knowledge of them besides their race ... it is in implicit racism tests that have people instantly pick the photo that they visualize when certain words pop up ... in America that implicit BIAS is strongly negative regarding minorities and positive regarding others. so without even knowing the ignorance, many see minorities in a negative light UNTIL they individually prove otherwise and often become only 'exceptions'. Come on, you’re giving me the double bubble bumper sticker rhetoric that I would see at a Michael Moore anti-capitalist rally. With all that being said. Trump having grown up primarily in the circle of rich white males has most likely not had to THINK much about race EXCEPT for whatever nationally IMPLICIT bias he was exposed to. A bias that might EXPLAIN why he and his father were charged with violating the fair housing act, why they were charged with discrimination in their casino, why he invested a full page ad against calling for death penalty against five black youth later found innocent of rape why he pushed so hard on the 'IS OBAMA a citizen? Birther crap." why he keeps pushing the image of mexicans as rapists and drug dealers Violating the fair housing act was a federal suit and they settled, if the government had a solid case why did they settle and why did Trump counter sue? How come you didn’t include a report in Vanity fair in 1990 where Trump Criticizes a white’s only club in Palm Beach Florida for not allowing blacks and Jews? https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner Read the 6th paragraph. How about his Mar a lago club where he opens memberships to blacks, jews , gay couples and other races breaking Palm beach all white elites rules in 1995 Oh wait you’re going to say he is an opportunists right? So how do you explain the other all white clubs in Palm Beach? By the way are you denying that MS 13 gangs don’t commit those crimes? I dont believe he stands FIRMLY about anything, really, including race, but I do think he does too much to further validate the bias that exists every time he plays to it for votes and support You mean him doing the same thing as Hillary Clinton? Why isn’t she labeled a racist when she called black teens “super predator” in 1994 while out campaigning for her husband? why there is such discrepancy in how he reacts to white males violence against others, qualifying two men who beat a homeless mexican by commenting how 'passionate' his supporters were, and qualifying a charlottesville incident of a white nationalist running people over by saying 'both sides' were at fault and YET, describing violence in baltimore after greys death as 'thugs' destroying the city Its seems the supporters of both parties are guilty of committed heinous crimes, where was the outraged when a gay trump supporter was beaten, how about the trump supporter in a wheelchair, who beats up a man in a wheelchair? How about the assault on the black Trump supporter, no outrage over that? Nitpick all you want, the truth is both sides have disgusting ignorant people and accusing Trump and his supporters of things that the left does is intellectually dishonest. |
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Trump has asked the kneelers to recommend friends, family, and acquaintances to be pardoned. I think it's a great idea. We really don't know kaep's story about who he feels was wronged by our county. It gives them a chance to really do something for their people. Do you think this makes Trump a good president? no,of course not!! one single good act doesnt mean somebody is a good president!!! [although,one single BAD act CAN mean somebody is a BAD president!!] he might have pardoned the ONE grandmother who was given a life sentence for a first offense drug crime 20 years ago[AFTER a major celebrity with a HUGE twittter following made a public spectacle out of asking for it!!!],BUT he and his pet attorney general,jeff sessions are publically doubling down and making it one of their top agendas to hand out MORE tough sentences for low level drug offenses,EVERY TIME!!! so,simply sucking up to someone for their celebrity kind of makes him a WORSE president for bending the rules for people based on their connections,and personal granduer,instead of making it the new norm for EVERYBODY simply because it is an unfair,and unjust law,and the right thing to do! |
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Ive seen nothing in Trump's past to indicate he is a racist. NOTHING. Ive seen things that makes me question his business tactics, he is a womanizer, he is narcissistic among other character flaws But I draw the line with the racist rhetoric. If Hillary Clinton was president today many folks including Media would be nitpicking things she has or hasn't done. They would be Questioning her honesty and integrity, the honeymoon for this woman would have lasted until the first mass shooting in America. Kind of the same thing here with Justin Trudeau, the son of a former liberal in the closet marxist prime minister who promised to right the wrong of the Conservatives and make Canada a wonderful place to live again. Back to Trump. So tell me again how Trump is racist? provide some actual facts not sound bites please. To answer, I would have to repeat my stand on racism that it can be implicit and inherent and that it is not all manifested in the same HATEFUL or BLATANT way. the backbone of racism is assuming character or value of a person without any knowledge of them besides their race ... it is in implicit racism tests that have people instantly pick the photo that they visualize when certain words pop up ... in America that implicit BIAS is strongly negative regarding minorities and positive regarding others. so without even knowing the ignorance, many see minorities in a negative light UNTIL they individually prove otherwise and often become only 'exceptions'. With all that being said. Trump having grown up primarily in the circle of rich white males has most likely not had to THINK much about race EXCEPT for whatever nationally IMPLICIT bias he was exposed to. A bias that might EXPLAIN why he and his father were charged with violating the fair housing act, why they were charged with discrimination in their casino, why he invested a full page ad against calling for death penalty against five black youth later found innocent of rape why he pushed so hard on the 'IS OBAMA a citizen? Birther crap." why he keeps pushing the image of mexicans as rapists and drug dealers why there is such discrepancy in how he reacts to white males violence against others, qualifying two men who beat a homeless mexican by commenting how 'passionate' his supporters were, and qualifying a charlottesville incident of a white nationalist running people over by saying 'both sides' were at fault and YET, describing violence in baltimore after greys death as 'thugs' destroying the city why he stated that a Mexican judge could not be fair to him why he suggested maybe the Muslim mother of a vet 'couldnt' say anything why he apparently believes haitians and nigerians are all living in 'huts' ... now, in his defense, I believe him to be another victim of national implicit racial bias, but I dont believe it is something conscious. I believe he uses that bias whenever it suits him, but I believe that when it suits him to try to counter the bias, he does that too ... I dont believe he stands FIRMLY about anything, really, including race, but I do think he does too much to further validate the bias that exists every time he plays to it for votes and support Read your second paragrah, then read the fourth paragragh. Try to realize how racist you are being. If you care to be more specific of what you deem racist, I am open to correction. |
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To answer, I would have to repeat my stand on racism that it can be implicit and inherent and that it is not all manifested in the same HATEFUL or BLATANT way. the backbone of racism is assuming character or value of a person without any knowledge of them besides their race ... it is in implicit racism tests that have people instantly pick the photo that they visualize when certain words pop up ... in America that implicit BIAS is strongly negative regarding minorities and positive regarding others. so without even knowing the ignorance, many see minorities in a negative light UNTIL they individually prove otherwise and often become only 'exceptions'. Come on, you’re giving me the double bubble bumper sticker rhetoric that I would see at a Michael Moore anti-capitalist rally. With all that being said. Trump having grown up primarily in the circle of rich white males has most likely not had to THINK much about race EXCEPT for whatever nationally IMPLICIT bias he was exposed to. A bias that might EXPLAIN why he and his father were charged with violating the fair housing act, why they were charged with discrimination in their casino, why he invested a full page ad against calling for death penalty against five black youth later found innocent of rape why he pushed so hard on the 'IS OBAMA a citizen? Birther crap." why he keeps pushing the image of mexicans as rapists and drug dealers Violating the fair housing act was a federal suit and they settled, if the government had a solid case why did they settle and why did Trump counter sue? How come you didn’t include a report in Vanity fair in 1990 where Trump Criticizes a white’s only club in Palm Beach Florida for not allowing blacks and Jews? https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner Read the 6th paragraph. How about his Mar a lago club where he opens memberships to blacks, jews , gay couples and other races breaking Palm beach all white elites rules in 1995 Oh wait you’re going to say he is an opportunists right? So how do you explain the other all white clubs in Palm Beach? By the way are you denying that MS 13 gangs don’t commit those crimes? I dont believe he stands FIRMLY about anything, really, including race, but I do think he does too much to further validate the bias that exists every time he plays to it for votes and support You mean him doing the same thing as Hillary Clinton? Why isn’t she labeled a racist when she called black teens “super predator” in 1994 while out campaigning for her husband? why there is such discrepancy in how he reacts to white males violence against others, qualifying two men who beat a homeless mexican by commenting how 'passionate' his supporters were, and qualifying a charlottesville incident of a white nationalist running people over by saying 'both sides' were at fault and YET, describing violence in baltimore after greys death as 'thugs' destroying the city Its seems the supporters of both parties are guilty of committed heinous crimes, where was the outraged when a gay trump supporter was beaten, how about the trump supporter in a wheelchair, who beats up a man in a wheelchair? How about the assault on the black Trump supporter, no outrage over that? Nitpick all you want, the truth is both sides have disgusting ignorant people and accusing Trump and his supporters of things that the left does is intellectually dishonest. the question was put forth regarding TRUMP, not about 'outrage' in general. that is what I was responding to. And nowhere did I say that one side didnt do it. Again, I was specifically answering a question about RACISM and Trump. All through the explanation, I also explained that there is NATIONAL implicit Bias(which is the opposite of saying any one side has it) |
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the question was put forth regarding TRUMP, not about 'outrage' in general. that is what I was responding to. And nowhere did I say that one side didnt do it. Again, I was specifically answering a question about RACISM and Trump. All through the explanation, I also explained that there is NATIONAL implicit Bias(which is the opposite of saying any one side has it) Its hilarious , that because a large number of people polled says Trump is racist therefore he must be racist. The guy has been in the public eye since the 1980's and not once, not once and if I can say it again NOT ONCE has he been accused of racism until he ran for president and came up against CNN's favourite political girl Hillary R.Clinton. Fascinating. Many prominent black leaders including the niece of Martin Luther King Jr, has come out and said he isnt, so who am I going to believe? the CNN, MSNBC, and MSM polls or people who actually deal with the guy? Let me think , hmmmmm, ummmmmmmmmm, gee Wally I dont know? Nah, Im going to go with people who actually know him vs polls. |
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the question was put forth regarding TRUMP, not about 'outrage' in general. that is what I was responding to. And nowhere did I say that one side didnt do it. Again, I was specifically answering a question about RACISM and Trump. All through the explanation, I also explained that there is NATIONAL implicit Bias(which is the opposite of saying any one side has it) Its hilarious , that because a large number of people polled says Trump is racist therefore he must be racist. The guy has been in the public eye since the 1980's and not once, not once and if I can say it again NOT ONCE has he been accused of racism until he ran for president and came up against CNN's favourite political girl Hillary R.Clinton. Fascinating. Many prominent black leaders including the niece of Martin Luther King Jr, has come out and said he isnt, so who am I going to believe? the CNN, MSNBC, and MSM polls or people who actually deal with the guy? Let me think , hmmmmm, ummmmmmmmmm, gee Wally I dont know? Nah, Im going to go with people who actually know him vs polls. nowhere did I personally post any link to believing he is racist based upon polls. and again, he has been in the public eye and SEVERAL times been investigated by FEDS for discrimination ...lol, long before he ran in 2016 but before then, as a real estate mogul, it was only relevant regarding THAT INDUSTRY of course, it became more of a concern when he ran for a position as POTUS, because it's encompassing of so many more things than just real estate. Im sure MLK's niece has spent plenty of QUALITY time to assess his character, although I cant imagine when or where. I dont have to 'believe' anyone. I am judging with my own eyes and ears based of his own words and actions. My reality is also not based solely on news sources or internet blogs ,, but I use a BALANCE of my own perceptions and outside sources to read between the lines for what is most LIKELY based on past life experience with human beings. |
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