Abra, with all due respect, which you have not extended to me one bit,
if you do not know something please ask. You took my statement and
flamed what I said and you were incorrect. I then posted clarification
and you did it again, incorrectly. Had you asked instead of immediately
flamming what I said, I would have been more than willing to clarify.

The Roman Catholic School Board has schools, to which anyone is allowed
to put their child into. Their taxes are levied, for their child
attending that school versus the regular one. BY CHOICE.

I honestly don't udnerstand such immediate and intense hostility. And
yet from one that expects respect, tolerance and understanding.

If I'm a fanatic and I want to teach my own children my own fanaticism
then that's my choice.

After all, that's the basis of churches. Teaching fanaticism.

You don’t hear me arguing that churches should be outlawed.

But when it comes to public school systems any religious views should
not be permitted.

Because just as other people don’t want to pay to have public schools
teaching their children my form of fanaticism, neither do I want to pay
to have public schools teach my children their form of fantastic.

It’s really not even about religions. It’s about the fact that public
schools should be religiously neutral.

That’s it period.

I do appreciate that. I have been around numerous shootings (at school
and around school), and they (no prayers/school shootings) may not be
realted, but they have become more frequent since the first thought of
removal of prayer at school. It might just be a coinsidence. I for one
wouldn't ever be considered a "religious nut" by ANY means, but the
removal of God's work only breeds chance for the devil's work. I may not
agree with any certain religion, but I do agree with the concept of God.
It stands for truth, respect, integrity, and caring. If you forcefully
take that idea out of a place where many different cultures congregate,
it only leaves room for hate and agony. Many young people don't know
these values because of many factors, most of them not school related. I
believe (not right or wrong) that if those ideas were available to be
learned (if wanted) at school, they might have a chance to actually do
something good with their lives instead of thinkin the only way out of
their problems is by shootin everybody including themselves.

Home-schooled? that is truly a way of manipulating a childs mind.
Alienate them from the rest of the kids that do go to school and tell
them how you feel they should learn about things. Don't allow them to
grow within the schooling or communities Don't allow them to learn about
the real world or real problems of society.

Are you that well learned? To be honest I don't think anyone has enough
knowledge or wisdom about the technologies we have today to home school
children properly. There are to many opportunities for children in a
proper social environment to keep them from learning as other Normal
Children. If you are concerned about what they are learning be objective
and supportive with the childrens teachers, and as a result of proper
guidance from you and the teachers the children will learn far more than
one person could ever teach them.

JMHO



G

Jane Bond,

I have in absolutely no way 'flamed' you.

Where do you come up with that?

G wrote:
“Home-schooled? that is truly a way of manipulating a childs mind.
Alienate them from the rest of the kids that do go to school and tell
them how you feel they should learn about things. Don't allow them to
grow within the schooling or communities Don't allow them to learn about
the real world or real problems of society.”

You are totally incorrect with your above assumptions. All of your
conclusions here are simply incorrect and totally invalid. I never said
or implied any such thing.


G wrote:
“Are you that well learned?”

Yes, I am.


G wrote:
“To be honest I don't think anyone has enough knowledge or wisdom about
the technologies we have today to home school children properly”

You’re free to believe whatever you like. That doesn’t make it so.

My apologies to the reference of this being written by a 5th grader. I
had gotten this in an email a few months back and it said a 5th grader
wrote it. When I saw it here, I associated it with the email I had
gotten.

To make clear where this all began. The original post was made. My
reply to it was intended to show two things.
1. the kid who wrote this verse, wrote it with irony, and with
hatred, and with bigotry. The focus of these was emotions was directed
at this persons inability to see that not everyone believes, or wants to
believe as he/she does.
2. that this was supposedly written in a school environment and
that so many see it as touching, made me wonder at the events that
occured after it was written. In other words, did any teacher,
counselor, or other educator, respond to the inferrnces (hate, bigotry,
immaturity) including the apparent lack of consideration of others, by
consulting and discussing these things with this kid.

I wrote the first reply to point out that what others seemed to be
approving was exactly what this kid was feeling, judgmental, hatred, and
bigotry. It was my desire to show others that this was not a writing
which encouraged sympathy.

I honestly liked it a lot.

It would be really beneficial if the kid who wrote this could tell us
what he/she was feeling when they wrote this instead of us all guessing
or assuming. Wonder if it can be googled as to any background info. on
it.

I made No assumptions, The fact is if they are home schooled they are
Alienated from other children. There is no other way to state it. In a
childs mind you are either with us or against us. It is a community that
only children can understand. You feel if you are the only one to teach
them the things necessary to get ahead in life they will listen to you?
Home schooling is manipulating, you control everything they are allowed
to read and write. You would be in control of everything they do.
Slaves?

To start with at certain ages children go through different phases and
just because you were a child once you know what they will go through?
This has nothing to do with school it has to do with friends, and when
you take friends away you create something you could never imagine. You
couldn't even begin to know what its like to be friendless, or maybe you
do?

I have no idea why anyone would wish homeschooling on children. If you
believe the schools don't teach what they should become involved with
the school and show them what other people would like. It is quite
possible you are one of those who want everyone to do it your way?
Sounds a little controlling to me.

JMHO



G

Does anyone realize that communist Russia also had freedom of religion?
Everyone was free to think whatever they wanted. You just better not
speak it out loud.

G, you are completely wrong.

“I made No assumptions, The fact is if they are home schooled they are
Alienated from other children”

That’s an assumption right here. What do you mean you aren’t making
assumptions?

“Home schooling is manipulating, you control everything they are allowed
to read and write. You would be in control of everything they do.
Slaves?”

There are just more incorrect assumptions on your part.

Where did I ever say that I would control everything they are allowed to
read and write? On the contrary I would encourage them to read and
study anything that interests them INCLUDING Christianity if that’s what
they’d like to study.

If I were home-schooling other people’s children I would try to be as
unbiased as possible with respect to religious beliefs. If I’m
home-schooling my own children I would share with them how I believe
because I love them and would like them to know god the way I do.

My kids would definitely be taught about the life of Jesus, and that
some people believe he was born of a virgin and rose from the dead. I
would have to be honest with them and tell them that I don’t believe
those things but I still love and respect Jesus for the man he was. I
would also teach them the TRUTH that even the bible has conflicting
information about exactly what happened.

You talk about brainwashing and being in control of how they believe. I
think you’re talking about a lot of Christian parents who FORCE their
children to go to church from a very early age and DEMAND that thy
continue to attend until they are at least legal adults.

I would NEVER demand that my children embrace my belief that god is this
universe. Sure, I would share my belief with them and even give them
all the evidence for why I believe it to be true. I would present a
compelling case to them. However, I would never DEMAND that they
believe it. They would be completely free to believe whatever they so
choose.

So your picture of me as a ruthless dictating tyrant is just totally out
of line and untrue.

As far as social interacting the kids would get PLENTY of that! In
fact, field trips would be COMMON PLACE in my home-schooling program.

So you are totally off-base in all of your ridiculous assumptions.

I would be much LESS controlling than public schools are. And much LESS
demanding abut religious beliefs than most Christian parents are with
their children.

So you are totally wrong in all of your assumptions.

>> It would be really beneficial if the kid who wrote this could tell us what he/she was feeling when they wrote this instead of us all guessing or assuming. Wonder if it can be googled as to any background info.

Yes, anyone can cut'n'paste portions of the text and use google.

Since this text has been attributed to different people, from different
places of different ages, simple logic dictates that most of those
attributions are incorrect. In other words, the author is dishonestly
misrepresented - probably to achieve some of the emotional impact we've
seen in this thread.

Before anyone yells at me - when I said 'the author is dishonestly
misrepresented' i mean IN GENERAL, in the way this text is distributed.
Not in this thread - little was said about the author here.

the same people who want the pledge of allegiance to stay in schools
should consider what they would think if their children had to pledge
alegiance to another god.all the self-rightous crying in the world will
not change the fact that in our form of government their is no place for
religion in schools or politics,hell its bad enough you have to still
put your hand on a bible in court to be sworn in...imagine it was the
quran, how would you christians and catholics would feel then about the
subject?...welcome to my world

well copy and paste the first stanza in your search engine

you get a lot of referances

might be a bit surprised even

this poem was written some years ago


i fail to see any bigotry in his/her writing

he basicly spoke the truth

why is that being a bigot?

a bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions
differing from their own

To everyone who reads my posts,…

I would like to make a public apology concerning a certain aspect of my
personality.

I am an “Aspie”. That’s short for (Aperger’s Syndrome). It’s a
condition that prevents me from picking up on people’s emotions.
Rather than explain it perhaps you can look it up.

It’s not an excuse for being rude. It’s just that I often come across as
being rude when that was never my intent to be rude. I’ve already
notice that some people have been offended in this thread the ‘tone’ of
my posts. I would like to assure everyone that I harbor no ill-feelings
toward anyone on a personal level. And that includes those who might
vehemently disagree with me.

Please understand that I try to speak solely to the substance of the
topic and it is never my intent to belittle anyone. I may bash
Christianity as a religion, but that isn’t intended to bash any specific
individuals who choose to follow that religions. I realize it can be
confusing when discussing politics and religions. It’s hard to bash an
idea without coincidentally bashing the believer of that idea. But thus
is the nature of debate.

I would only like to say that it’s not my intention to bash an
individuals for what they believe. If I come across as doing that I
apologize. I’m the kind of person who can argue vehemently with you
about Christianity, and then when we are done talking I’ll gladly give
you a lift to your church meeting. Just don’t expect me to come inside.
(ha ha)

In short, I respect everyone no matter how they believe, but I do have
strong beliefs about these topics and so I post them on a ‘discussion
forum’ in response to other ideas that other people post.

At the end of the day, I’m still your friend even if we have completely
disagreed on every issue.

So if anyone has taken personal offense to anything I post, I sincerely
apologize. It is not my intent to offend anyone.

If you knew me in person you would know that I don't get angry, and I
don't hold grudges, and at the end of a heated debate I'll shake your
hand and buy you a drink. That’s the kind of person I am when it's all
said and done.

Abra,

"My kids would definitely be taught about the life of Jesus, and that
some people believe he was born of a virgin and rose from the dead. I
would have to be honest with them and tell them that I don’t believe
those things but I still love and respect Jesus for the man he was."

If Jesus was not who He said He was....then He was the biggest fraud who
ever lived.
Just wondering how you can 'love and respect' Him.

Ole jeb

I revere and respect Jesus.

I do not believe he was who he was claimed to be by the participants in
the compact of constantinoble.

That is where they decided on what would or would not be included in the
bible is it not.