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| Topic: Is Knowledge a Gift from Satan - part 2 | |
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It's not gaining the knowledge itself that is sinful. It's what you do with that knowledge. And fear = love because if you love someone you "fear" loosing them and or upsetting them. If you love your parents, you fear doing something to get them upset and or really mad with you. But this can be said about any knowledge, even the knowledge of god. God has historically been used as a type of weapon in the hearts and minds of those that would portray god as one...well, most knowledge, you cant really say the ability to learn the knowledge to survive is a bad thing, it is necessary in our lives if we are to have lives to live. And doctrine teaches that god is all-loving, so does someone really need to fear losing god? god states he is with everyone, even those that would deny him, and all it really takes is a heartfelt apology. So in a sense, to say "i am always with you, so fear me to love me" is either unnecessary or egomaniacal. You had the answere to this in your post "and all it really takes is a heartfelt apology" Why would someone make an apology? Would they not be afraid of loosing that relationship and be trying to repair it by apologizing? And trying to repair a relationship shows love. |
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But a person doesnt have to be afraid of losing something to feel bad about doing something they know is wrong. It doesnt take fear of losing something/someone to admit "hey i was wrong and you deserve an apology", to do so out of fear of losing is selfish, but to do so based on wanting to do what is just is truly selfless.
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And fear = love because if you love someone you "fear" loosing them and or upsetting them. If you love your parents, you fear doing something to get them upset and or really mad with you. I don't see how love=fear.. they are two entirely separate emotions. I love my mother and father, but I don't fear losing them. Eventually that will happen, they will die, there is no reason for me to fear a time when my parents cease to exist. What exactly is the point of the quotations around fear?  All this love=fear crap is nothing more than the double speak of religion.. |
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And fear = love because if you love someone you "fear" loosing them and or upsetting them. If you love your parents, you fear doing something to get them upset and or really mad with you. I don't see how love=fear.. they are two entirely separate emotions. I love my mother and father, but I don't fear losing them. Eventually that will happen, they will die, there is no reason for me to fear a time when my parents cease to exist. What exactly is the point of the quotations around fear? All this love=fear crap is nothing more than the double speak of religion.. So when you have a girlfriend, why do you do the sweet things? Getting her gifts, kisses, hugs, dates, and so on. Are they not to make her happy and to have a good time together? Why do you wish to keep her happy? Is it not for the fear that she would just move on and find someone that could satisfy her? |
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So when you have a girlfriend, why do you do the sweet things? Getting her gifts, kisses, hugs, dates, and so on. Are they not to make her happy and to have a good time together? Why do you wish to keep her happy? Is it not for the fear that she would just move on and find someone that could satisfy her? I go on dates to spend time with, and get to know the other person. If there is a date worthy of a gift (birthday, anniversary, etc.) then there are gifts in some form. If things go well, we stay together, if they don't then it doesn't matter what I did, she will find someone else. There is still no fear involved. |
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So when you have a girlfriend, why do you do the sweet things? Getting her gifts, kisses, hugs, dates, and so on. Are they not to make her happy and to have a good time together? Why do you wish to keep her happy? Is it not for the fear that she would just move on and find someone that could satisfy her? I go on dates to spend time with, and get to know the other person. If there is a date worthy of a gift (birthday, anniversary, etc.) then there are gifts in some form. If things go well, we stay together, if they don't then it doesn't matter what I did, she will find someone else. There is still no fear involved. Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. |
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PROVERBS 1:7 New International Version (©1984) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline. New Living Translation (©2007) Fear of the LORD is the foundation of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline. English Standard Version (©2001) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction. New American Standard Bible (©1995) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge. Stubborn fools despise wisdom and discipline. King James Bible The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. American King James Version The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. American Standard Version The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge; But the foolish despise wisdom and instruction. Bible in Basic English The fear of the Lord is the start of knowledge: but the foolish have no use for wisdom and teaching. Douay-Rheims Bible The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Fools despise wisdom and instruction. Darby Bible Translation The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge: fools despise wisdom and instruction. English Revised Version The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but the foolish despise wisdom and instruction. Webster's Bible Translation The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. World English Bible The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of knowledge; but the foolish despise wisdom and instruction. Young's Literal Translation Fear of Jehovah is a beginning of knowledge, Wisdom and instruction fools have despised! fear is the beginning of knowledge?....are you sure this is a God of love ...wouldn't it be the same as if you married the person that would one day murder you Easton's Bible Dictionary Fear of the Lord Is in the Old Testament used as a designation of true piety (Proverbs 1:7; Job 28:28; Psalm 19:9). It is a fear conjoined with love and hope, and is therefore not a slavish dread, but rather filial reverence. (Comp. Deuteronomy 32:6; Hosea 11:1; Isaiah 1:2; 63:16; 64:8.) God is called "the Fear of Isaac" (Genesis 31:42, 53), i.e., the God whom Isaac feared. A holy fear is enjoined also in the New Testament as a preventive of carelessness in religion, and as an incentive to penitence (Matthew 10:28; 2 Corinthians 5:11; 7:1; Philippians 2:12; Ephesians 5:21; Hebrews 12:28, 29). fear by any other name...does not change what it is....religious love therefore becomes the degree of fear you have for God |
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So when you have a girlfriend, why do you do the sweet things? Getting her gifts, kisses, hugs, dates, and so on. Are they not to make her happy and to have a good time together? Why do you wish to keep her happy? Is it not for the fear that she would just move on and find someone that could satisfy her? I go on dates to spend time with, and get to know the other person. If there is a date worthy of a gift (birthday, anniversary, etc.) then there are gifts in some form. If things go well, we stay together, if they don't then it doesn't matter what I did, she will find someone else. There is still no fear involved. Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. So, because I am realistic enough to realize that should a girlfriend leave, there is nothing I can do to bring her back, means I have never loved a woman? I have loved plenty. Fear is not apart of love. Just because you fear it in your truly backwards logic does not meant that I have not loved anyone.. |
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So when you have a girlfriend, why do you do the sweet things? Getting her gifts, kisses, hugs, dates, and so on. Are they not to make her happy and to have a good time together? Why do you wish to keep her happy? Is it not for the fear that she would just move on and find someone that could satisfy her? I go on dates to spend time with, and get to know the other person. If there is a date worthy of a gift (birthday, anniversary, etc.) then there are gifts in some form. If things go well, we stay together, if they don't then it doesn't matter what I did, she will find someone else. There is still no fear involved. Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. So, because I am realistic enough to realize that should a girlfriend leave, there is nothing I can do to bring her back, means I have never loved a woman? I have loved plenty. Fear is not apart of love. Just because you fear it in your truly backwards logic does not meant that I have not loved anyone.. Yes because when you truely full heartedly love someone you fear screwing up and doing or not doing something that causes that woman to leave. When you truely truely love someone they become a part of you. |
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Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. Cowboy...if you truely loved her would you kill an innocent person for her if she asked you to do so.....would you kill an innocent person if God asked you to do so...and would it be out of love or out of fear |
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I have loved plenty. Fear is not apart of love. Just because you fear it in your truly backwards logic does not meant that I have not loved anyone.. Yes because when you truely full heartedly love someone you fear screwing up and doing or not doing something that causes that woman to leave. When you truely truely love someone they become a part of you. No, I don't fear screwing up. I know I'm going to screw up, I know the other person is going screw up. I'll go as far to say that if you are with someone because you fear losing them that it isn't love at all. |
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Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. Cowboy...if you truely loved her would you kill an innocent person for her if she asked you to do so.....would you kill an innocent person if God asked you to do so...and would it be out of love or out of fear Yes i would if God asked. Would be out of love and wanting to be obedient to show that love i held for our heavenly father. No i would not kill someone if a woman asked, for my love for our heavenly father is far greater then any love i have or ever will have for a woman. |
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I have loved plenty. Fear is not apart of love. Just because you fear it in your truly backwards logic does not meant that I have not loved anyone.. Yes because when you truely full heartedly love someone you fear screwing up and doing or not doing something that causes that woman to leave. When you truely truely love someone they become a part of you. No, I don't fear screwing up. I know I'm going to screw up, I know the other person is going screw up. I'll go as far to say that if you are with someone because you fear losing them that it isn't love at all. You're putting the fear in the wrong place. For the only reason you feared loosing them would be because of the love you held for them. Not the fear of just not having someone, but the fear of loosing that particular woman because you hold so much compassion for her. |
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Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happyLove will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. Cowboy...if you truely loved her would you kill an innocent person for her if she asked you to do so.....would you kill an innocent person if God asked you to do so...and would it be out of love or out of fear Yes i would if God asked. Would be out of love and wanting to be obedient to show that love i held for our heavenly father. No i would not kill someone if a woman asked, for my love for our heavenly father is far greater then any love i have or ever will have for a woman. Way to contradict yourself. You said "Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy" (you put the emphasis on anything, not me) Then said "no i would not kill someone if a woman asked" So which is it?
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Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happyLove will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. Cowboy...if you truely loved her would you kill an innocent person for her if she asked you to do so.....would you kill an innocent person if God asked you to do so...and would it be out of love or out of fear Yes i would if God asked. Would be out of love and wanting to be obedient to show that love i held for our heavenly father. No i would not kill someone if a woman asked, for my love for our heavenly father is far greater then any love i have or ever will have for a woman. Way to contradict yourself. You said "Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy" (you put the emphasis on anything, not me) Then said "no i would not kill someone if a woman asked" So which is it? I said no BECAUSE MY LOVE FOR GOD IS FAR GREATER. If i didn't have the love for our father as i do then yes i would kill if she asked. But the love i hold for God keeps me from doing as such because i'm buisy following as he said to do and not to do. |
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Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happyLove will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. Cowboy...if you truely loved her would you kill an innocent person for her if she asked you to do so.....would you kill an innocent person if God asked you to do so...and would it be out of love or out of fear Yes i would if God asked. Would be out of love and wanting to be obedient to show that love i held for our heavenly father. No i would not kill someone if a woman asked, for my love for our heavenly father is far greater then any love i have or ever will have for a woman. Way to contradict yourself. You said "Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy" (you put the emphasis on anything, not me) Then said "no i would not kill someone if a woman asked" So which is it? I said no BECAUSE MY LOVE FOR GOD IS FAR GREATER. If i didn't have the love for our father as i do then yes i would kill if she asked. But the love i hold for God keeps me from doing as such because i'm buisy following as he said to do and not to do. So, the only thing keeping you from killing is a fear of punishment from a god? |
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Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. Cowboy...if you truely loved her would you kill an innocent person for her if she asked you to do so.....would you kill an innocent person if God asked you to do so...and would it be out of love or out of fear Yes i would if God asked. Would be out of love and wanting to be obedient to show that love i held for our heavenly father. No i would not kill someone if a woman asked, for my love for our heavenly father is far greater then any love i have or ever will have for a woman. it's amazing that you don't love God enough to stop intentionly sinning against him ....but you do love God enough to kill an innocent person for him .......isn't this a contradiction |
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Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happyLove will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. Cowboy...if you truely loved her would you kill an innocent person for her if she asked you to do so.....would you kill an innocent person if God asked you to do so...and would it be out of love or out of fear Yes i would if God asked. Would be out of love and wanting to be obedient to show that love i held for our heavenly father. No i would not kill someone if a woman asked, for my love for our heavenly father is far greater then any love i have or ever will have for a woman. Way to contradict yourself. You said "Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy" (you put the emphasis on anything, not me) Then said "no i would not kill someone if a woman asked" So which is it? I said no BECAUSE MY LOVE FOR GOD IS FAR GREATER. If i didn't have the love for our father as i do then yes i would kill if she asked. But the love i hold for God keeps me from doing as such because i'm buisy following as he said to do and not to do. So, the only thing keeping you from killing is a fear of punishment from a god? No, it's out of love and showing God my love for him. |
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Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. Cowboy...if you truely loved her would you kill an innocent person for her if she asked you to do so.....would you kill an innocent person if God asked you to do so...and would it be out of love or out of fear Yes i would if God asked. Would be out of love and wanting to be obedient to show that love i held for our heavenly father. No i would not kill someone if a woman asked, for my love for our heavenly father is far greater then any love i have or ever will have for a woman. it's amazing that you don't love God enough to stop intentionly sinning against him ....but you do love God enough to kill an innocent person for him .......isn't this a contradiction Who are you to judge? And why try to make it personal in an attempt to get under my skin? And the person would not be innocent if God wished for me to kill him. God is a just god and does not do anything any other. |
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Doesn't sound like you truely entirely have loved a woman :s. Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happyLove will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy, and the fear of loosing her is always there because you feel you couldn't live without that person. Cowboy...if you truely loved her would you kill an innocent person for her if she asked you to do so.....would you kill an innocent person if God asked you to do so...and would it be out of love or out of fear Yes i would if God asked. Would be out of love and wanting to be obedient to show that love i held for our heavenly father. No i would not kill someone if a woman asked, for my love for our heavenly father is far greater then any love i have or ever will have for a woman. Way to contradict yourself. You said "Love will make you do ANYTHING to just make her happy" (you put the emphasis on anything, not me) Then said "no i would not kill someone if a woman asked" So which is it? I agree...if Cowboy claim that love supposedly makes you do anything...and if he claim that if you truely love a woman that you would do anything to make her happy..then why wouldn't Cowboy kill for her if that would make her happy ...do that mean that he truely doesn't love the woman |
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