You know funches, its actually kinda funny, wow, it is like a revelation. When you look at god as like the great evil in the bible, then god seems more believable. I know it sounds like sarcasm, but think about it. If god doesnt give it to a person then its wrong. God can only love us if we fear him. Theres plenty of more things to say, but itd be going on and on too much kinda.

But yeah, I see what you mean, satan being an angel was doing his duty by being a positive in the actions of fueling their desire to grow, to gain knowledge. It is all about whose hands it is in, but that is positive and negative though, not good and evil. Sparrows was referring to knowledge as evil, so since its supposed to be evil then never is there a good use, unless to "love god", but that doesnt take knowledge, it takes subjugation. Id refer to it more as positive/negative which means even though can be used for bad, is not absolutely bad, as opposed to the term evil, and same goes for positive/good. I guess its difference of interpretation maybe on good/evil and all that jive.

You know funches, its actually kinda funny, wow, it is like a revelation. When you look at god as like the great evil in the bible, then god seems more believable. I know it sounds like sarcasm, but think about it. If god doesnt give it to a person then its wrong. God can only love us if we fear him. Theres plenty of more things to say, but itd be going on and on too much kinda.

But yeah, I see what you mean, satan being an angel was doing his duty by being a positive in the actions of fueling their desire to grow, to gain knowledge. It is all about whose hands it is in, but that is positive and negative though, not good and evil. Sparrows was referring to knowledge as evil, so since its supposed to be evil then never is there a good use, unless to "love god", but that doesnt take knowledge, it takes subjugation. Id refer to it more as positive/negative which means even though can be used for bad, is not absolutely bad, as opposed to the term evil, and same goes for positive/good. I guess its difference of interpretation maybe on good/evil and all that jive.

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You know funches, its actually kinda funny, wow, it is like a revelation. When you look at god as like the great evil in the bible, then god seems more believable. I know it sounds like sarcasm, but think about it. If god doesnt give it to a person then its wrong. God can only love us if we fear him. Theres plenty of more things to say, but itd be going on and on too much kinda.

But yeah, I see what you mean, satan being an angel was doing his duty by being a positive in the actions of fueling their desire to grow, to gain knowledge. It is all about whose hands it is in, but that is positive and negative though, not good and evil. Sparrows was referring to knowledge as evil, so since its supposed to be evil then never is there a good use, unless to "love god", but that doesnt take knowledge, it takes subjugation. Id refer to it more as positive/negative which means even though can be used for bad, is not absolutely bad, as opposed to the term evil, and same goes for positive/good. I guess its difference of interpretation maybe on good/evil and all that jive.

why would knowledge be considered evil? that sounds like something the churches made up in the 16th century... knowledge is information, neither good or bad. it's all in how you use it. we as humans are the good and evil, not the knowledge we obtain.

why would knowledge be considered evil? that sounds like something the churches made up in the 16th century... knowledge is information, neither good or bad. it's all in how you use it. we as humans are the good and evil, not the knowledge we obtain.

it's according to the bible that knowledge was good or evil, the theory is, a person would be incapable of committing evil if they lack the knowledge of evil

which mean there were no "Free Will" in Eden to disobey God since disobedience would be considered as being evil knowledge and Adam and Eve lack such knowledge

I'll say it till i'm blue in the face funches. The act of gaining the knowledge wasn't what was wrong in what they did. It was the disobedience of their actions that was wrong and is why they were kicked out.

exactly, and again it wasn't the gaining of knowledge that was wrong and or evil. It was DISOBEYING WHAT GOD TOLD THEM NOT TO DO.

Cowboy...try to use a little logic for once...disobedience is clearly the knowledge of Evil...so how could Adam and Eve disobey God if they lacked the knowledge of evil ...this is why what Adam and Eve did was not about disobedience since they lack that knowledge

so what was the freewill god gave everyone? do what i say or burn in hell? sounds like freewill to me... hitler said that too, didn't he? or something like it. do what i say or die... i guess we have the freewill do it or die, burn in hell... why did god tell them not to eat it? just because he was bored? eating an apple releases all evil? there are cartoons on tv that have a better plot that that, they at least make sense.

All free will is, is choice. You have the ability to choose to follow God or not. We are not robots and or puppets forcibly made to do anything, we still have the ability to either obey or disobey. That is ALL free will is.

thats my point... i believe in god, not to depth you do, but i do.. but some church people seem to quote do it or burn in hell... i just don't think that was ever gods intentions or sayings, but mans to make more money for the churches

No God doesn't want us to forcibly worship/love him. God wants us to willingly love him and see all the great things he has done for us all.

And no, we have a loving God. Not a demanding dictator God. God will judge us on where our hearts are, we aren't going to be denied heaven for some mistakes we accidentally did and or did something we didn't want to do.

Ok funches since it was not about disobedience...what was it about???

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so what was the freewill god gave everyone? do what i say or burn in hell? sounds like freewill to me... hitler said that too, didn't he? or something like it. do what i say or die... i guess we have the freewill do it or die, burn in hell... why did god tell them not to eat it? just because he was bored? eating an apple releases all evil? there are cartoons on tv that have a better plot that that, they at least make sense.

that is not "Free Will" that is called making a threat or making a choice under duress ...."Free Will" is the non-interference of a divine entity in order to not influence choice ...this is why Jesus presence neutralized any aspect of Christians claiming to have "Free WIll" because Jesus is a direct influence from a Divine entity and therefore their choice has been compromised