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Topic: This is part of gun safety?
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Thu 07/14/11 05:27 AM
Apparently her idea of gun safety is different than most.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/lori-klein-arizona-gun-control-reporter-giffords_n_894973.html

Lori Klein, Arizona State Senator, Pointed Loaded Gun At Reporter Richard Ruelas's Chest

Arizona state Sen. Lori Klein (R), a gun-rights champion, keeps a loaded raspberry-pink handgun in her purse, and during an interview with Arizona Republic reporter Richard Ruelas, she took it out and pointed it at him.

"Oh, it's so cute," Klein said, before aiming the gun at Ruelas's chest to show off the red beam of the laser sight. Klein's gun, a .380 Ruger, has no safety, but the senator assured Ruelas that he wasn't in danger.

"I just didn't have my hand on the trigger," she said.

Klein told the Arizona Republic that she owns a number of guns and has had "informal" training sessions on each of them, and that she was taught gun safety by her father.

Local gun activists have criticized Klein for pointing her gun at Ruelas, however.

Rob Mermelstein, the range master of the Phoenix Rod and Gun Club, told the Arizona Guardian, that Klein's actions were "unconscionable."

"Whoever would do something like that needs to have a better grounding in gun safety before ever laying a hand on a firearm," he said.

The shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) on January 8 has reignited the national debate over gun control. President Barack Obama called for stronger gun laws in the wake of the shooting, and HuffPost's Sam Stein reported last week that the Obama administration is preparing to release a series of reforms in the near future.

According to the Daily Beast the changes will include:

- A national electronic system designed to make background checks for handgun buyers simpler and faster, leaving an electronic paper trail under a law named for Ronald Reagan's press secretary James Brady, who was wounded in the 1981 assassination attempt.

- A new reporting requirement that federally licensed gun shops report any person who tries to buy two long-arm weapons near the Mexican border over a five-day period.

- Tougher sentencing guidelines for straw buyers that Holder's department pushed through procedural hoops at the U.S. Sentencing Commission earlier this year.

In Arizona, Klein's handgun has become a symbol of the gun control debate, and while she supports those who want the right to carry guns, she says it's a personal choice that she isn't forcing on anyone.

"I don't like chocolate ice cream," she told the Arizona Republic. "Am I going to force you not to have any?"

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Thu 07/14/11 06:07 AM
If you ask me, I think this was a setup to make those who oppose all this gun control look bad.

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Thu 07/14/11 06:39 AM
So, you think she purposefully did it to make people look bad?

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Thu 07/14/11 07:31 AM

So, you think she purposefully did it to make people look bad?


I think she's an idiot who has laid one more brick on the road to a gunless America. Hysterical anti-Gun rights people are going to have a field day with this.

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Thu 07/14/11 08:42 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 07/14/11 08:45 AM
This violates one of the most important safety rules of gun handling.

NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT WISH TO DESTROY.
The second rule is, ALL GUNS ARE TO BE ASSUMED TO BE LOADED AT ALL TIMES EVEN IF YOU JUST CLEARED THE GUN.


I am pro gun rights, I see no reason for law abiding citizens to be stripped of there ability to protect themselves from criminals that ignore the law and thus would have all the weapons if guns where banned, or restricted out of use by the law abiding, but this lady needs a reality check.

She should be prosecuted for threatening a person with a loaded weapon, brandishing, or whatever local law prohibits people from threatening people with guns.

Someone points a gun at me, I am not going to take the time to determine if they are going to shoot, that is a quick way to get yourself dead, I am going to assume you understand the first rule of gun safety and I am going to defend my life from your threat.

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Thu 07/14/11 12:01 PM

This violates one of the most important safety rules of gun handling.

NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT WISH TO DESTROY.
The second rule is, ALL GUNS ARE TO BE ASSUMED TO BE LOADED AT ALL TIMES EVEN IF YOU JUST CLEARED THE GUN.


I am pro gun rights, I see no reason for law abiding citizens to be stripped of there ability to protect themselves from criminals that ignore the law and thus would have all the weapons if guns where banned, or restricted out of use by the law abiding, but this lady needs a reality check.

She should be prosecuted for threatening a person with a loaded weapon, brandishing, or whatever local law prohibits people from threatening people with guns.

Someone points a gun at me, I am not going to take the time to determine if they are going to shoot, that is a quick way to get yourself dead, I am going to assume you understand the first rule of gun safety and I am going to defend my life from your threat.



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Thu 07/14/11 12:17 PM

Apparently her idea of gun safety is different than most.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/lori-klein-arizona-gun-control-reporter-giffords_n_894973.html

Lori Klein, Arizona State Senator, Pointed Loaded Gun At Reporter Richard Ruelas's Chest

Arizona state Sen. Lori Klein (R), a gun-rights champion, keeps a loaded raspberry-pink handgun in her purse, and during an interview with Arizona Republic reporter Richard Ruelas, she took it out and pointed it at him.

"Oh, it's so cute," Klein said, before aiming the gun at Ruelas's chest to show off the red beam of the laser sight. Klein's gun, a .380 Ruger, has no safety, but the senator assured Ruelas that he wasn't in danger.

"I just didn't have my hand on the trigger," she said.

Klein told the Arizona Republic that she owns a number of guns and has had "informal" training sessions on each of them, and that she was taught gun safety by her father.

Local gun activists have criticized Klein for pointing her gun at Ruelas, however.

Rob Mermelstein, the range master of the Phoenix Rod and Gun Club, told the Arizona Guardian, that Klein's actions were "unconscionable."

"Whoever would do something like that needs to have a better grounding in gun safety before ever laying a hand on a firearm," he said.

The shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) on January 8 has reignited the national debate over gun control. President Barack Obama called for stronger gun laws in the wake of the shooting, and HuffPost's Sam Stein reported last week that the Obama administration is preparing to release a series of reforms in the near future.

According to the Daily Beast the changes will include:

- A national electronic system designed to make background checks for handgun buyers simpler and faster, leaving an electronic paper trail under a law named for Ronald Reagan's press secretary James Brady, who was wounded in the 1981 assassination attempt.

- A new reporting requirement that federally licensed gun shops report any person who tries to buy two long-arm weapons near the Mexican border over a five-day period.

- Tougher sentencing guidelines for straw buyers that Holder's department pushed through procedural hoops at the U.S. Sentencing Commission earlier this year.

In Arizona, Klein's handgun has become a symbol of the gun control debate, and while she supports those who want the right to carry guns, she says it's a personal choice that she isn't forcing on anyone.

"I don't like chocolate ice cream," she told the Arizona Republic. "Am I going to force you not to have any?"


It's idiots like this that shouldn't be allowed to own a weapon. I guarantee I have NEVER and would never pull or show off a weapon when I carry one. Hell, I don't even like people knowing I am carrying and never even talk about it or brag or show off.

AND you never point a weapon at someone unless you are in fear for your safety or the safety of someone else. I don't care if it's loaded, unloaded, safety off, strapped, cemented or what.

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Thu 07/14/11 01:35 PM
Edited by jrbogie on Thu 07/14/11 02:05 PM
and people actually want to ease gun control restrictions. just what we need, more people like this looney packing. so much for, 'if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.' outlaws have guns now and always will no matter how many or few laws are on the books but an outlaw did not point that particular gun.

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Thu 07/14/11 01:40 PM

and people actually want to eas gun control restrictions. just what we need. more people like this looney carrying.


There will always be more sane people with guns than insane. I love westerns, but did you know they are all BS? Everybody had guns, very few people were brave or dumb enough to pull one out. The average number of murders for old west towns in a year was 3-4. Remember the Gunfight at the OK Corral? Five people were killed in that event, that was the total number of people killed in Tombstone that year. More guns make us safer, not less safe.

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Thu 07/14/11 02:08 PM


and people actually want to eas gun control restrictions. just what we need. more people like this looney carrying.


There will always be more sane people with guns than insane. I love westerns, but did you know they are all BS? Everybody had guns, very few people were brave or dumb enough to pull one out. The average number of murders for old west towns in a year was 3-4. Remember the Gunfight at the OK Corral? Five people were killed in that event, that was the total number of people killed in Tombstone that year. More guns make us safer, not less safe.


we simply disagree.

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Thu 07/14/11 02:19 PM

So, you think she purposefully did it to make people look bad?


I think it's quite possible. The reason being, if they can make the those against the gun control regulations they seek to push onto us look crazy and psycho, then we will more easily accept them and they'll get the control they seek.

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Thu 07/14/11 02:20 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Thu 07/14/11 02:21 PM


So, you think she purposefully did it to make people look bad?


I think she's an idiot who has laid one more brick on the road to a gunless America. Hysterical anti-Gun rights people are going to have a field day with this.


Which is exactly what those in power wanted in my estimation.

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Thu 07/14/11 02:21 PM

and people actually want to ease gun control restrictions. just what we need, more people like this looney packing. so much for, 'if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.' outlaws have guns now and always will no matter how many or few laws are on the books but an outlaw did not point that particular gun.


Thank you for proving my point.

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Thu 07/14/11 02:25 PM

and people actually want to ease gun control restrictions. just what we need, more people like this looney packing. so much for, 'if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.' outlaws have guns now and always will no matter how many or few laws are on the books but an outlaw did not point that particular gun.


so if "outlaws will always have guns" then what does it matter? are you saying we shouldn't be able to defend ourselves from the outlaws? that really makes no sense. people cannot relly on the police all the time, and i am glad i can carry my gun with me.

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Thu 07/14/11 02:35 PM
i have never been against guns actually in some cases i wish people did have guns besides the ones who shouldn't,like the Virginia Tech incident just to name one.In most circumstances i'd rather it be them and not me who gets shot.

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Thu 07/14/11 02:46 PM

i have never been against guns actually in some cases i wish people did have guns besides the ones who shouldn't,like the Virginia Tech incident just to name one.In most circumstances i'd rather it be them and not me who gets shot.


and if 5 of the 11 that were shot had a gun, would he still have shot 11 people? i'm guessing no... he was that brave and got as far as he did because he knew no one had a gun...

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Thu 07/14/11 02:51 PM


and people actually want to ease gun control restrictions. just what we need, more people like this looney packing. so much for, 'if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.' outlaws have guns now and always will no matter how many or few laws are on the books but an outlaw did not point that particular gun.


so if "outlaws will always have guns" then what does it matter? are you saying we shouldn't be able to defend ourselves from the outlaws? that really makes no sense. people cannot relly on the police all the time, and i am glad i can carry my gun with me.


said nothing of the sort. you're obviously free to defend yourself any way you lawfully can. but to answer your first question, no, it doesn't much matter how many gun laws are in place that protect the bulk of society precisely because laws will not stop outlaws from having guns. so what's wrong with laws that protect children in the home? what's wrong with laws restricting automatic weapons? nobody is saying you cannot have a firearm. i'm certainly not anyway. but just because you think you're safer with a gun in the home does not make it so. i've no doubt whatsoever that having a gun in a home, especially homes with young children, puts the family far more at risk of an accidental death or injury than there is a risk of a home invasion. perhaps you know of several people who might have protected themselves or did protect themselves by having a gun available but i've lived sixty two years and know nobody personally whose ever even had a burglary. yes, a stolen car or two but how does a gun prevent that happening in a walmart parking lot?

fact is, as gun laws have become more prevalent, violent crimb has been in a steady decline over the last three decades. does that necessarily mean that the surge in gun laws and restrictions has had a causual effect? no, of course not. but it also doesn't follow that more guns will make us all safer.

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Thu 07/14/11 02:55 PM



and people actually want to ease gun control restrictions. just what we need, more people like this looney packing. so much for, 'if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.' outlaws have guns now and always will no matter how many or few laws are on the books but an outlaw did not point that particular gun.


so if "outlaws will always have guns" then what does it matter? are you saying we shouldn't be able to defend ourselves from the outlaws? that really makes no sense. people cannot relly on the police all the time, and i am glad i can carry my gun with me.


said nothing of the sort. you're obviously free to defend yourself any way you lawfully can. but to answer your first question, no, it doesn't much matter how many gun laws are in place that protect the bulk of society precisely because laws will not stop outlaws from having guns. so what's wrong with laws that protect children in the home? what's wrong with laws restricting automatic weapons? nobody is saying you cannot have a firearm. i'm certainly not anyway. but just because you think you're safer with a gun in the home does not make it so. i've no doubt whatsoever that having a gun in a home, especially homes with young children, puts the family far more at risk of an accidental death or injury than there is a risk of a home invasion. perhaps you know of several people who might have protected themselves or did protect themselves by having a gun available but i've lived sixty two years and know nobody personally whose ever even had a burglary. yes, a stolen car or two but how does a gun prevent that happening in a walmart parking lot?

fact is, as gun laws have become more prevalent, violent crimb has been in a steady decline over the last three decades. does that necessarily mean that the surge in gun laws and restrictions has had a causual effect? no, of course not. but it also doesn't follow that more guns will make us all safer.


Only certain Automatic Weapons should be restricted. There are people who arn't in Law Enforcement who do have a use and serious need for them.

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Thu 07/14/11 02:58 PM



and people actually want to ease gun control restrictions. just what we need, more people like this looney packing. so much for, 'if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.' outlaws have guns now and always will no matter how many or few laws are on the books but an outlaw did not point that particular gun.


so if "outlaws will always have guns" then what does it matter? are you saying we shouldn't be able to defend ourselves from the outlaws? that really makes no sense. people cannot relly on the police all the time, and i am glad i can carry my gun with me.


said nothing of the sort. you're obviously free to defend yourself any way you lawfully can. but to answer your first question, no, it doesn't much matter how many gun laws are in place that protect the bulk of society precisely because laws will not stop outlaws from having guns. so what's wrong with laws that protect children in the home? what's wrong with laws restricting automatic weapons? nobody is saying you cannot have a firearm. i'm certainly not anyway. but just because you think you're safer with a gun in the home does not make it so. i've no doubt whatsoever that having a gun in a home, especially homes with young children, puts the family far more at risk of an accidental death or injury than there is a risk of a home invasion. perhaps you know of several people who might have protected themselves or did protect themselves by having a gun available but i've lived sixty two years and know nobody personally whose ever even had a burglary. yes, a stolen car or two but how does a gun prevent that happening in a walmart parking lot?

fact is, as gun laws have become more prevalent, violent crimb has been in a steady decline over the last three decades. does that necessarily mean that the surge in gun laws and restrictions has had a causual effect? no, of course not. but it also doesn't follow that more guns will make us all safer.


the way i see it, someone stealing you car in the parking lot does not put your life in danger, neither does a burglary when your not home. there is no need to shoot someone for trying to steal something. i think that guns are for self defense or protecting someone elses life only, not to play police and stop a burglary...

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Thu 07/14/11 03:01 PM


i have never been against guns actually in some cases i wish people did have guns besides the ones who shouldn't,like the Virginia Tech incident just to name one.In most circumstances i'd rather it be them and not me who gets shot.


and if 5 of the 11 that were shot had a gun, would he still have shot 11 people? i'm guessing no... he was that brave and got as far as he did because he knew no one had a gun...


I believe he was mind controlled myself, like some others who have acted out in public in such a way, but I will agree that if you take away people's rights to defend themselves with a firearm, you will increase crime because those that are determined to do harm are gonna still do it, if not more so when they know the people they are trying to harm have no means to fight back.

All gun control does is punish the responsible.

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