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Edited by
RKISIT
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Are you a trained therapist? Try google for the signs and wonders. I am sure you can find alot. I am too busy worshipping my Jesus, who has literally saved me and taught me to trully love. I will never be ashamed of Jesus. Peace.  |
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this is an ENGLISH translation of the bible, surely you understand how the interpretation from one language to another can reuire further study into the context as it relates to the original language and time,,,? but if you wish to keep insisting that HATE was the word used thousands of years ago,,,,,have at it,,,, MsHarmony..."Hate" is the appropiate word for any follower that would dare suggest that the Bible has even one word written out of context.. it not only displays a lack of Faith but supplies the very reason why anything written within it should not be believed.... "to believe is to doubt"....funches 3:16 |
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No other word is needed in place of "hate". -------------------- 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. --------------------- Or in other words 26. If any man come to me and not put me first, he can not be my disciple. 27. Who ever does not carry their own troubles and come after me can not be my disciple. you're proving my point...."hate is exactly the reason why someone would place another above theirself and their family Yes, God is suppose to come before themself or their families... what's your point? Cowboy..the point is you would have no reason to place anything above your family or yourself...if there were no Hate for either and that is why Jesus said...unless you "hate" your life and your family...then you need not apply for any disciple positions Jesus was trying to teach that if you were filled with Love instead of Hate...you wouldn't need him to show you the way to God |
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Now as for jesus going to hell,thats another additional man made story,here we go again with which creed you choose to believe from the story that man created.The story of jesus going to hell is an additional story made up by man.You have the Apostles creed after the bible was written and theres no evidence that any apostles even wrote it. No evidence you say? Matthew 12:40 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Who says Hell isn't in the center of the Earth? The core of the Earth fits perfectly with the discription of Hell. Fire and brimstone. How would these people know in the center of the Earth there was motlen lava and things of that nature? ------------- Romans 10:6-7 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? -------------- ========== Shall descend into the deep, pointing to once again the center of the Earth. ========== What are you talking about? I never even mentioned the magnetic field or anything along those lines. God created the world, including the magnetic field. Please elaborate on how you got the magnetic field from what I said. Cause "hell" isn't the firey brimstone and fire kind of place that most people have the conception of. Hell - the abode of the dead; Sheol or Hades. Hell is the grave. That is why hell is not eternal, this world in the condition it's in isn't eternal. And is why the graves will give up their dead, or you could say hell will give up it's dead. Those not found in the book of life and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire for eternal torment. Some versions of the bible don't even contain the word hell. Hell was not made for man eg., the grave was not made for man. Man was made eternal, then we fell from the grace of God with our disobedience. Thus bringing death into the world, thus the need of the grave later on. And no mention of hell, the grave being originally created in Genesis.   "Hell" is not the general conception people have of a man with a pitch fork in the center of the Earth raising cain in the world. Hell is the grave. Satan is in hell, because he was kicked out of the paradise and placed in hell, the grave. That is why hell is seen as hot, fire and brimstone, ect. Because what's in the center of the world? Is it not molten lava? Fire and brimstone? Hell is a temporary holding place. Satan was placed there along with other's awaiting judgement. That is why come Judgement day, Satan and the people's names that are not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. And this is known as the second death. Revelation 20:13 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And is why hell will deliver up the dead, to be judged. If hell was as the general conception is, only people who do wrong go to hell, then why would hell give up the dead to be judged? If they were their for doing wrong, would they not have already been judged? In other words if you want to put your faith in a deity that was created by a man that left Ur telling everyone God told him God is the only creator,go right ahead. In other words if you want to put your faith in a deity that was created by a man that left Ur telling everyone God told him God is the only creator,go right ahead. What are you talking about? No one's trying to convert anyone, nor was there any preaching going on. We're just having a discussion on specific things in a specific belief. If you don't have faith in this belief as you've stated, why converse in the discussion? What would be the point? |
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No other word is needed in place of "hate". -------------------- 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. --------------------- Or in other words 26. If any man come to me and not put me first, he can not be my disciple. 27. Who ever does not carry their own troubles and come after me can not be my disciple. you're proving my point...."hate is exactly the reason why someone would place another above theirself and their family Yes, God is suppose to come before themself or their families... what's your point? Cowboy..the point is you would have no reason to place anything above your family or yourself...if there were no Hate for either and that is why Jesus said...unless you "hate" your life and your family...then you need not apply for any disciple positions Jesus was trying to teach that if you were filled with Love instead of Hate...you wouldn't need him to show you the way to God But why would their not be? We were created by God. Without God we would have no life, no existence. Yes you can say well if it wasn't for your parents, you wouldn't be here, and so on. But if it wasn't for God, my parents wouldn't have been here either. So no, still all love goes to God, all appreciation goes to God. If you choose not to give thanks in this way, that is by all means your choice :). But that is the way I see it. |
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Cognitive dissonance.
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But why would their not be? We were created by God. Without God we would have no life, no existence. Yes you can say well if it wasn't for your parents, you wouldn't be here, and so on. But if it wasn't for God, my parents wouldn't have been here either. So no, still all love goes to God, all appreciation goes to God. If you choose not to give thanks in this way, that is by all means your choice :). But that is the way I see it. Cowboy...those that have truely found God and Love God and are void of hate would have no reason to need Jesus...especially since they have found God... but it was Jesus that said, to be a disciple of his you have to hate your life and your parents so according to that passage...those that follow Jesus only consist of those that hate their life and their family and have to be cleased of this hate before they can find God |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Wed 05/30/12 03:53 PM
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But why would their not be? We were created by God. Without God we would have no life, no existence. Yes you can say well if it wasn't for your parents, you wouldn't be here, and so on. But if it wasn't for God, my parents wouldn't have been here either. So no, still all love goes to God, all appreciation goes to God. If you choose not to give thanks in this way, that is by all means your choice :). But that is the way I see it. Cowboy...those that have truely found God and Love God and are void of hate would have no reason to need Jesus...especially since they have found God... but it was Jesus that said, to be a disciple of his you have to hate your life and your parents so according to that passage...those that follow Jesus only consist of those that hate their life and their family and have to be cleased of this hate before they can find God Here's a new translation of the verse for your understanding funches. Is exactly as I was trying to explain it. Luke 14:26 New Century Version 26 "If anyone comes to me but loves his father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters—or even life—more than me, he cannot be my follower |
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But why would their not be? We were created by God. Without God we would have no life, no existence. Yes you can say well if it wasn't for your parents, you wouldn't be here, and so on. But if it wasn't for God, my parents wouldn't have been here either. So no, still all love goes to God, all appreciation goes to God. If you choose not to give thanks in this way, that is by all means your choice :). But that is the way I see it. Cowboy...those that have truely found God and Love God and are void of hate would have no reason to need Jesus...especially since they have found God... but it was Jesus that said, to be a disciple of his you have to hate your life and your parents so according to that passage...those that follow Jesus only consist of those that hate their life and their family and have to be cleased of this hate before they can find God Here's a new translation of the verse for your understanding funches. Is exactly as I was trying to explain it. Luke 14:26 New Century Version 26 "If anyone comes to me but loves his father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters—or even life—more than me, he cannot be my follower it still delivers the very same message of hate ...Jesus demands that an individual first care less about their life and the lives of their family in order to meet the criteria to follow him ... those that fit into this catogory clearly have some issues going on, especially in this day and age, because to make a claim that you love someone that you never met more than you love yourself and your family,... clearly have unaddressed issues pertaining to self hate .... |
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But why would their not be? We were created by God. Without God we would have no life, no existence. Yes you can say well if it wasn't for your parents, you wouldn't be here, and so on. But if it wasn't for God, my parents wouldn't have been here either. So no, still all love goes to God, all appreciation goes to God. If you choose not to give thanks in this way, that is by all means your choice :). But that is the way I see it. Cowboy...those that have truely found God and Love God and are void of hate would have no reason to need Jesus...especially since they have found God... but it was Jesus that said, to be a disciple of his you have to hate your life and your parents so according to that passage...those that follow Jesus only consist of those that hate their life and their family and have to be cleased of this hate before they can find God Here's a new translation of the verse for your understanding funches. Is exactly as I was trying to explain it. Luke 14:26 New Century Version 26 "If anyone comes to me but loves his father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters—or even life—more than me, he cannot be my follower it still delivers the very same message of hate ...Jesus demands that an individual first care less about their life and the lives of their family in order to meet the criteria to follow him ... those that fit into this catogory clearly have some issues going on, especially in this day and age, because to make a claim that you love someone that you never met more than you love yourself and your family,... clearly have unaddressed issues pertaining to self hate .... Oh but that is where you are mistaken. I have met Jesus, he walks beside me everyday. I speak to him, he speaks to me. It's not about caring less for your life and the lives of the family. It's about putiting Jesus first. If one puts Jesus first, then the rest will fall into place. Jesus taught us to love one another, so if we love Jesus and obey his commandments, we will then love everyone else. Why do you feel yourself to be so great, it should be a priority over another? Mark 12:30-31 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Wed 05/30/12 08:17 PM
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there should be no reason to be ashamed of believing in jesus... it's not like he was hitler or someone like that, he was a good guy with good teachings... to each their own, let people believe in him in their own way. i'm not religious in any way, but most church folks are good people, the kind that will do right in the world. as long as they live their way and not try to tell others how to live, they are great people.
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Wed 05/30/12 08:36 PM
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there should be no reason to be ashamed of believing in jesus... it's not like he was hitler or someone like that, he was a good guy with good teachings... to each their own, let people believe in him in their own way. i'm not religious in any way, but most church folks are good people, the kind that will do right in the world. as long as they live their way and not try to tell others how to live, they are great people. True. People don't have the right to tell another how they should live their lives. Not a Christian, not an Athiest. I think that's where the problem comes from in this forum. I can't account for everyone, but I myself am not telling anyone how they should live or what they should believe. This is a forum for sharing one's personal spiritual/religious beliefs. Getting to know one another on a deeper level and possibly learning of something or even teaching something if one is willing to learn. Ta'each their own hits it on the head I think. |
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People don't have the right to tell another how they should live their lives.
---------------------------------------------------------------- Tell that to the christian missionaries. |
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People don't have the right to tell another how they should live their lives. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tell that to the christian missionaries. Christian missionaries are merely spreading the gospel. They do not say you will be condemned if you do not believe as we. They do not say believe or you will be killed. They merely again, spread the gospel on a large range of people. And if they do say this, they are not doing as Christians are to do, they are just as much in the wrong as the one not believing. "Judge not, less ye be judged". |
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People don't have the right to tell another how they should live their lives. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tell that to the christian missionaries. Christian missionaries are merely spreading the gospel. They do not say you will be condemned if you do not believe as we. They do not say believe or you will be killed. They merely again, spread the gospel on a large range of people. And if they do say this, they are not doing as Christians are to do, they are just as much in the wrong as the one not believing. "Judge not, less ye be judged". Then that leads to this. Matthew 7:3 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? |
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Oh but that is where you are mistaken. I have met Jesus, he walks beside me everyday. I speak to him, he speaks to me. Cowboy for the fact that yet have admitted here in the forum to "intentionally sinning" is an indication that you have place your love for the sins of the flesh above the love of Jesus ...so you might claim to be a Christian...but you don't fit the criteria to be one of the disciples of Jesus because you love sin more than Jesus but are you sure that it was Jesus that you met? or was someone pulling the same trick on you that they pulled on Adam and Eve or as Uncle Scrooge suggested that it could have been an hallucination brought on by an undigested piece of meat and if you met and walked with Jesus then you clearly had to see him..unless of course you two were walking and talking in the dark...but if not... then can you describe how Jesus looked beyond a concept without sounding delusional? |
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People don't have the right to tell another how they should live their lives. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tell that to the christian missionaries. Christian missionaries are merely spreading the gospel. They do not say you will be condemned if you do not believe as we. They do not say believe or you will be killed. They merely again, spread the gospel on a large range of people. And if they do say this, they are not doing as Christians are to do, they are just as much in the wrong as the one not believing. "Judge not, less ye be judged". |
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Edited by
RKISIT
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Thu 05/31/12 06:40 AM
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that fact is that religious missionaries go and help people,so do people who have no religious faith.So why do they claim God and jesus put them here to help them when nonreligious people do the same?It's an easy answer they are human,and not everyone needs faith in a mythology deity to do nice things for others.
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Jesus taught us to love one another, which is an indication that those that come to Jesus are those that do not know love....Jesus didn't teach anyone to love Jesus commanded you to love ..but you can not be one of his disciples if you love anyone above him ...which in turn deem Love to be meaningless imagine telling your kids that you love someone more than you love them ...is telling a child this Love?...or is it Hate? |
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Jesus taught us to love one another, which is an indication that those that come to Jesus are those that do not know love....Jesus didn't teach anyone to love Jesus commanded you to love ..but you can not be one of his disciples if you love anyone above him ...which in turn deem Love to be meaningless imagine telling your kids that you love someone more than you love them ...is telling a child this Love?...or is it Hate? |
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