Politicians is espeeensive.
Can't buy one with food stamps.

Never saw any names or citizen groups listed. Musta' mo BS frum da' funny farm.

PS
oBlowme just executive ordered him and baby Bush a lifetime of being surrounded by loaded, automatic weapons. Bich must be a paranoid pro-gunner.

Wow you love to not only Generalize but you like to overlook facts!

First it is not a mass shooting if the shooter was stopped before shooting the fourth victim.

Now one of the most famous cases where citizens with hunting rifles and any sniper rifles were deputized by the local Police was the 1960s Texas University shootings where 14 people died and dozens were wounded. the resulting gunfire at the clock tower pinned the gunman down long enough to allow police to finally get into the tower but the gunman was found dead and supposedly he was dead by a self inflicted shot but there was never a "definitive" answer to who shot him. Some accounts say the police actually managed to get him while he was ducking for cover.

The Los Angeles riots. The only businesses that were not mass looted or burned to the ground were the ones protected by armed owners! The only neighborhoods to not burn were the ones where people were armed and standing in the street just in case!

So this time you go around lying too? I am sure if I dig I will find many cases where armed people stopped and prevented criminal activity and someone getting killed.

Again you spew the term Gun Toter like an insult. Well, you are a self deluded liberal who wears ignorance blinders to selectively filter the truth to meet your sensitivities. How about this? You don't like guns so much, MOVE TO ENGLAND! There is a perfect solution to your problem. A socialistic lie under a monarchy that promises to protect you from all those nasty guns you fear so much!

Andy, trying to fill up that hot air balloon again?

Don't waste it on me cause it is wasted.


Again, gun crazies who believe that guns give them power are the problem in this country.

A legal gun is more likely to kill/harm an innocent by accident or intentionally than it will ever defend the gun toter from a crime.
That is statistically true.

And no I will not do your homework for ya, do it yourself. If you can't read outside of the NRA sites, your fault.

Expanding your mind is a wonderful thing.

I am not anti gun, I am anti gun crazies (their family friends or the person who steals it from them) having guns that can mow down 20 children in less than a minute.

If gun toters have to down size because of this so be it. They can't use their little pea shooters against the govment anyway. So the pea shooters are hopefully for shooting the stray dog or something "fun" like that or on the most likely side for their thieving neighbor to steal it and use it in a crime or their son to figure out how to open the gun cabinet when only kids are home and shoot his friend in the face or them to have a life crisis and murder suicide the whole family or them to get pissed off at work and shoot the people at work or them to set the gun down for a sec and dog shoots the neighbor in the eye when he steps on it or someone gets drunk and waves it around outside and shoots the neighbors baby in it's crib or someone gets pissed at their neighbor for not being a good neighbor and gets into it and shoots them in a fit of rage or.....

But at least it won't shoot off 10 bullets a second and kill off the whole neighborhood at once.

It is irrational for us to even be discussing this in a pretend intelligent fashion when all of us are not pushing for THE SITUATION THAT WILL NOT REQUIRE THE TEACHERS TO BE ARMED, MILITARY AT OUR SCHOOLS AND PREVENT A GUN CRAZY FROM MOWING DOWN 20 CHILDREN IN LESS THAN A MINUTE.

It is ridiculous to even say that more guns in the answer, that is not even an intelligent suggestion.....

Criminals will still get guns, if you think banning civilians from having even certain types will prevent people from getting their hands on them, you couldn't be any more wrong. Ban a weapon, and the only ones who will have them is those who actively seek to do harm. Maybe you want that, but I don't and I am offended and disgusted at the very thought.

Oh good. I'm glad your are not "anti gun." Then you understand that we need guns so we can kill all these "gun crazies" you keep talking about.

YOU ARE SO FALLACIOUS TONIGHT! OMG!

I do not have a membership to the NRA. I do not contribute to the NRA. I don't subscribe to the NRA. DOWNSIZE GUNS?

You are a demented pervert intellectually speaking here. You know that? First of all everyone with Gun Control Issues keeps myopically saying ALL GUNS like yourself. First of all you evidently know NOTHING OF FIREARMS! You have no concept of fit, form, and function. All you know is what "Earth News" tells you! GUNS ARE BAD, M'KAY! They just are bad, M'kay! I don't like guns becasue guns scare me M'kay! That is how you are arguing! My opinion is not tainted by the agenda of groups like the NRA. My opinion is tainted on false belief that to be safer in the face of criminals especially considering the imported variety sneaking in from Mexico using FULLY AUTO ILLEGALLY OBTAINED ASSAULT RIFLES WITH GRENADE LAUNCHERS, I feel way underpowered in the event things do go completely to shyte which they still very well could. Worst is I cannot trust cops. They scare me! You cannot tell which one is there for you vs. the ones who are just there to write tickets and treat you like crap! So trapped between the devil and the deep blue?

When the boogieman is in your house I hope you could afford a safe room with real steel doors and a real escape hatch. Then again I bet you are one of those snake azzed lying liberals who really does secretly own a gun and hide it between your mattress for added security. You preach how bad guns are in the hands of others but secretly you think you are alone responsible enough to protect yourself and YOUR children.

i am not sure but there is a lot I can read into your hostility towards an inanimate object. Personally I would love to own a BEEFY rifle. Come to think of it I would love to own a Gatling gun! Why? They really are marvels of engineering to me! That and being able to send 3000 plus rounds a minuet down range? GOD WHAT A RUSH! I like to pretend I am Mad max mopping up Biker Crazies!

And for you all these arguments degenerate to "All these poor children!" Not only do you sound like a Bleeding Heart Liberal you also sound like a mouthpiece for the Gun Control Lobby! What is real comedy for me is you try preaching to poor people who live in bad neighborhoods about making people give up their guns and they get mad at you! Clearly you have no idea what life on the bad side of the rail road tracks is like!

You have the most pure Pollyanna Complex I have seen yet! I bet your imaginary happy place has fuzzy bunnies and Unicorns in it too? You want to see things your way only. You imagine this big movement and suddenly police are going door to door confiscating weapons!

So does your other half wear a brown shirt? Shall we put Swastikas on armbands soon?

First of all allow me to put to death any more attempts at you trying to placate us with more of your strong argument skills here,

You cannot change human nature! We are not ready for the world you want! there are still too many conflicting ideologies and too many slackers in this world looking for the easy out! Until you can change the heart of man mankind IS my personal greatest fear! And worst is how easy it is to lead people around by their fear! PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU!

I think I can say this safely for you!

Just for you, DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN types,




I know, off topic but just saying....

http://washingtonexaminer.com/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-bill-to-nullify-new-federal-gun-laws/article/2518133

Wyoming lawmakers propose bill to nullify new federal gun laws
January 10, 2013 | 11:03 am


Wyoming lawmakers have proposed a new bill that, if passed, would nullify any federal restrictions on guns, threatening to jail federal agents attempting to confiscate guns, ammunition magazines or ammunition.

The bill – HB0104 – states that “any federal law which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitation on firearms in this state shall be unenforceable in Wyoming.”

The bill is sponsored by eight Wyoming state representatives ad two state senators. If passed, the bill would declare any federal gun regulation created on or after January 1, 2013 to be unenforceable within the state.

In addition, the bill states would charge federal officials attempting to enforce a federal gun law within the state with a felony – “subject to imprisonment for not more less than one (1) year and one (1) day or more than five (5) years, a fine of not more than two thousand dollars ($2,000.00) five thousand dollars ($5,000.00), or both.”

The bill also allows the Attorney General of Wyoming to defend a state citizen from any prosecution by the United States Government.

One of the bill’s co-sponsors, Wyoming State Senator Larry Hicks, told The Washington Examiner that this type of legislation sends a message to the federal government in Washington D.C.

“It says that your one size fits all solution doesn’t comport to what a vast majority of the state believes,” Hicks explained in an interview.

Citing the Tenth and the Second Amendments, Hicks asserted that the legislation was Constitutional, adding that he fully expected it to pass in the Wyoming state legislature. Hicks said that his Wyoming constituents were upset about the looming threat of gun control coming from Washington, particularly since Vice President Biden signaled yesterday that President Obama was willing to issue an executive order to tackle the gun issue.

“They are very, very upset that we’re going to see some level of federal takeover of our weapons and abuse of our rights given to us by the Second Amendment,” Hicks stated. “Also that the federal government will bypass our legislative officials and confiscate our weapons through executive order. This gives citizens of the Western United States a great deal of concern.”

Rep. Kendell Kroeker, the lawmaker that spearheaded the bill, explained that he hoped that the federal government would recognize their constitutional rights based on the Tenth and Second Amendments.

"I think that its necessary when the federal government violates our rights in the Constitution we have to act," he explained.

The proposed legislation has recieved a overwhelmingly positive response from their constituents, according to the bill's sponsors, even from citizens of other states.

Kroeker said that since he introduced the bill he has received up to 50 emails from constituents thanking him for standing up for their rights.

“Most of the feedback that I have received is very encouraging," explained State Rep. Mark Baker, a fellow co-sponsor. "Many citizens from other states have contacted me stating that they are envious of our state’s initiative."

Kroeker said that he currently owns several handguns, rifles, shotguns and an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle - the model targeted by gun control proponents.

"People in Washington tend to overreact," Kroeker said. "They try to place blame on gun owners punishing in the innocent to pay for the crimes of the guilty."

Hicks explained that the model of the bill was taken from a bill passed in the State of Montana in 2009 adding that it wasn’t much different from what he’d seen other states do.

“I don’t think this is controversial in Wyoming at all,” he added. “I fully expect this bill to pass.”

Whoever is conspiring to take away the people's right to keep, make, buy, guns, I hope they are beginning to get the message.

IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

Honestly, IMHO I think the reelection of Obama was a good thing.


Here me out.


I knew that with the threat of a loss gone he would start to do stuff like this, the libertarians, the moderate conservatives, and the fence sitters who are strong supporters of all civil rights not just there favorite ones are now FULLY energized to battle against a serious threat to our liberties.

That would not have happened had we got someone more moderate in office.

Now freedom loving people are coming together regardless of differences over other less severe/immediate social issues.

Bad guys with guns in uniform . . . .

Or if they have no citizens to steal them from, they smuggle them in like drugs are smuggled in now.

Gunna xray the shipment, no problem, just legally ship in miscellaneous small metal parts, dissemble your guns and mix them in to the misc parts. Scans can do nothing against such strategies.

The ideas presented are pathetic, and getting around them is par for the criminal course. Just face it a politician using law is no match for a criminal who knows his business and is making money hand over fist filling a demand.

I've noticed that.

I find myself agreeing with you and conrad and many others.

And when government attempt to restrict our access to the Internet and freedom of information, we have an army of hackers that can probably take them down.

Freedom of information and freedom of speech.

Freedom is paramount.

the amendment says bear arms ---- not guns

thus you want a destroyer a cruiser an f15 what ever

per the amendment you have he right to have it

It is with profound regret that I must announce that we lost a great freedom-fighter in the battle for freedom of information just a couple of days ago.

I'm told it was suicide, but I think we all know better...IMO he was being psychologically tortured by a government-inspired malicious prosecution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

I still wonder what Politicians and the Supreme Court don't understand about the 2nd Amendment!
Are they stoopid or what?



The right of the people to keep and bear arms is an extension of the natural right to self-defense and a hallmark of personal sovereignty. It is specifically insulated from governmental interference by the Constitution and has historically been the linchpin of resistance to tyranny.(from another Forum)

Please tell me where you can buy Guns that shoot ten rounds a second!
You really need to study up on the Subject!

Isn't there a black market in Switzerland?